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Edmund Ketley was born around 1900 in Chelmsford, Essex, England. He
married Eva Claydon in March quarter 1923 and possibly had a daughter
Christine.
Any info. on this family appreciated.
Michelle
Liz,
Dave's question is both astute and fair.
Could we not devise a spreadsheet which shows which Cat*ley trees have
proven dna connections?
Also Dave hits the nail right on the head with his comment about "common
ancestors" and backs up what I have been saying for the last two years, in
that we all do really need to entitle the individual trees by a name and ask
everybody to use it when writing to the Catley List.
The trouble is that many people write in and forget to inform the other
Listers as to which tree they are referring to. They are quite clear as to
what they are saying but the recipients may not be!
As a case in point, I will use the Anstey Tree as an example because much
has been written about this Cat*ley line both recently and over the last
four years. It has branches in London, Tisbury - Wilts, Bristol -Glouces,
two locations in Australia and not to mention Hobart - Tasmania, plus its
roots in Hertfordshire UK.
The ref to "Anstey" only concerns one branch of this big tree but its
origins go back further to the Hertfordshire village of Barley and the
earliest member known is James Catley married Alice in 1709.
I contend therefore that snippets of info hitting the general List
concerning this tree such as events in London 1856 or Hobart 1900 often get
missed by the readers.
Far better would be to have everybody use its main title "James Catley of
Barley 1709"
You and I had a bit of an anxious moment a couple of weeks ago re dna where
one person had done the test but neither of us were 100% sure who this was!
Had the person entitled his lineage to earliest known Catley, place and
year, we would have been much wiser!
It would be a reasonably simple task surely, to add dna Cat*ley tree matches
onto the Database and also enter a roundup of the individual trees
identified and being actively researched by their earliest ancestor title?
I fully appreciate that both suggestions would create yet more admin work
but in the interests of correct identification and dna information, I think
it necessary.
Best wishes
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "David BARKER" <davidwbarker(a)wanadoo.fr>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
> Hi Liz,
> Unfortunately I cannot usefully do a DNA test as my Catley link as yet
unestablished would be via the female line , but I would be very interested
to know the nature of the links established between the Cambridgeshire and
Lincolnshire Cat(t)ley lines and the common ancestor/s . Regards Dave Barker
>
>
>
>
>
> > Message du 03/10/07 00:21
> > De : "liz cordingley"
> > A : "catley(a)rootsweb.com"
> > Copie à :
> > Objet : [CATLEY] DNA
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Yes its me again. Is there any body else out there that can do the DNA
> > testing. I'm looking for Somerset and Hertfordshire candidates. So far
we
> > have had a good response connecting the Yorkshire Lincolnshire and
> > Cambridgeshire areas but I would like to have another volunteer for
Somerset
> > Also as there are a lot from the Hertfordshire area I would like to try
and
> > connect those up with Cambridge and Essex as they over linked each other
at
> > one time.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Liz
> >
> >
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Hi Liz,
Unfortunately I cannot usefully do a DNA test as my Catley link as yet unestablished would be via the female line , but I would be very interested to know the nature of the links established between the Cambridgeshire and Lincolnshire Cat(t)ley lines and the common ancestor/s . Regards Dave Barker
> Message du 03/10/07 00:21
> De : "liz cordingley"
> A : "catley(a)rootsweb.com"
> Copie à :
> Objet : [CATLEY] DNA
>
> Hi All,
>
> Yes its me again. Is there any body else out there that can do the DNA
> testing. I'm looking for Somerset and Hertfordshire candidates. So far we
> have had a good response connecting the Yorkshire Lincolnshire and
> Cambridgeshire areas but I would like to have another volunteer for Somerset
> Also as there are a lot from the Hertfordshire area I would like to try and
> connect those up with Cambridge and Essex as they over linked each other at
> one time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Liz
>
>
> -------------------------------
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>
>
Thank you David ... I have found some wonderful
information - including the shipping details for my father and grandfather
arriving in NZ.. and other stuff...
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Meredith-Fam-Hist" <meredith_meredith(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 10:04 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] [CAT] Fw: [NTT] Historic New Zealand newspapers
withsearchable text
> There are thus far 527 references to CATLEY and 58 for CATTLEY
>
> David Meredith
> Nottingham
>
>
>> Please forgive the multiple posting but this may be of interest to those
>> looking for emigrant
>> ancestors or relatives.
>>
>> Latest news from the National Library of New Zealand, which hosts
>> "Papers
>> Past" website, with
>> digital images of historic NZ newspapers (1840 - 1915): of the 44 papers
>> now online, as from this
>> week, 17 now have full-text searching:
>> http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast
>>
>> Happy hunting!
>>
>> Blanche Charles (nee Norton)
>> Wellington
>> New Zealand
>
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Hello All,
Just to let you know that seeing as there are no male Listers who are of the Barley Cat*ley Tree who have come forward to offer a dna sample, I have had to dig into my old archive of pre Internet (typewriter and stamp!) contacts and draw upon that to find a candidate.
The upshot of this is that Gary a Gt Gt Grandson of Samuel Catley 1821-1896 has very kindly volunteered to step in and help.
I am heartily pleased that at last we have a Barley/Anstey dna sample to compare against those already tested.
In my opinion, the Barley/Anstey tree is literally central in geographical terms and crucial to our researches.
My thanks to Gary for making the donation.
Cheers
Tim Cattley
Hello All,
I managed to purchase a copy of the above book published by The Lincoln Record Society in 1922.
It contains extracts from the Monasticon concerning the Nuns of Catley which were used by one William Ward in 1407 acting as their attorney, to argue on their behalf that a series of tax increases levied by King Henry 4th should not be attributed to any of the five Lincolnshire Gilbertine Order monastic houses which of course, included Catley.
He was successful, having selected 29 of the Catley returns and then using them as charters, to prove to the Barons of the Exchequer that the nuns at Catley were poor and that all their lands and possessions were gifts by grant from local landowners who could revoke these grants at any time if they so decided, and so they should be considered as "Tax Exempt"
This sets the scene for the book which goes on to indicate that William Ward, having won exemption for the Catley house, then went on to argue the case for the other four Gilbertine monastic settlements in Lincolnshire and was successful.
The 29 charters used by William Ward to argue the case for Catley are printed in this Lincolnshire Record Society book and like the Monasticon reprints, have the original Latin text on the left hand page and the English translation on the right one.
What is surely interesting to us Catley genealogists here, is that the early returns make it quite clear that it was the Island in the Lincolnshire fens that was named Catley and that the monastic settlement took this place name from the fact that it was built on this so named dry ground out in the water courses and reed beds that formed most of this low lying semi coastal part of Lincolnshire at that time.
"Infra insulum que vacatur Catheley a marisco de Walcote usque ad antiqum cursum ague iuxta mariscum de Diggeby ad inhabitandum in ea et duo seriendum imperpetuum cum omnibus commoditatibus et pertinenciis suis videelict cum bosco et fundo plano pratis pasturis mariscis cum aquis et piscariis et cum suis fossatis ex omni parte dicte insule de Catheley".
"Within the Island which is called Catley, from Walcot Marsh to the old stream next Digby Marsh therein to live and serve God forever with all its commodities and appurtenances, namely with wood and field, plain, meadows, feedings, marshes and waters and fisheries and with its ditches set and made on every side of the said Island of Catley".
Please note that the text includes, in the description above, the word wood indicating that at least part of the island contained sufficient forestation to deserve being called as such. This is news to me because I had previously thought that a low lying island in the Lincs Fens would only have supported a few sparse sallow trees but this is obviously not the case.
Note also the Latin spelling of Catheley in this particular charter which comes from the late twelfth century. Interestingly, of the 29 charters depicted, the name is spelt 9 different ways but neither Catley or Cattley is featured!
Catheley
Cattheley
Catteley
Catle
Catteleya
Catele
Cateleia
Cateley
Cattele
We are told that Catley is an Old English place name (what is "Old English" when it is at home, Saxon?) and presumably the "Latinisation" of the name for the purposes of writing the transcripts gives us an idea therefore, of the pronunciation of the Old English place name.
My Latin is not good but seven out of the nine Latin spelling versions used can surely only translate into the spoken word kat-lee whilst the remaining two might be uttered as kat-leiah.
It is a pity in one way that the DNA tests have already indicated that the Cat*leys can not have come from one single source because I for one, was rather taken by the neat theory that maybe we all came from one Lincolnshire family who had some form of lay association with the Island of Catley or the Monastic settlement built on it.
So, that theory is now exploded because we have, from the DNA tests, at least four different unrelated families.
On the bright side, I am rather pleased that the Isle of Catley has written proof that it contained woodland as I can now rather better accept the idea that maybe, at that time, it did have wild cats in it!
Regards
Timcatt
Hi Everyone,
I have just loaded the latest upgrade to the Catley Database. Over 100
new records, 60 of them for Catleys in India, and Probate Calendar
records for 98 Cattleys supplied by Tim. If there are any errors please
notify me a.s.a.p.
Enjoy!
Chris
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Chris Newall EMail : chris(a)rebus.demon.co.uk
Ealing, London, W5 Website: http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/
Hi All,
Just found these whilst searching
Mablethorpe Lincs Marriages
Joseph Catley bricklayer of Withern and Mary Johnson 1/5/1806
Joseph Catley w and Mary Blanchard W 9/2/1809 (obviously the same Joseph)
William Hodson of Great Chesterford and Anne Catley St Andrews the less
Cambridgeshire 21/4/1831
Robert Catley and Anne Easy 31/8/1822 st Andrews the Great Cambridgeshire
William Catley sojourner in this parish and Mary Ann Brown Cambridge
11/8/1825
Liz
Hi Liz and All,
The DNA tests so far, have been most revealing and have placed together,
quite a number of seperate Trees which hitherto were floating with no
certain origins known.
We know that there were Cat*leys in the London area circa 1600 and we have
not tapped them genetically yet (do we have Listers who's ancestors were
London based at this time?) likewise, as you know, but the Listers do not,
there is a whole clutch of Birmingham Catleys that we would like to bring
into the equasion as well.
Then there is the Nottinghamshire Catleys based around Newark .... anybody
related to them or are they related to the Yorkshire Cat*leys, as we know
that there are already Notts//Yorks Catley tree connections?
Then there is the Barley/Barkway/Anstey tree, is this connected to the other
known Hertfordshire/Cambridgeshire/Essex trees? Geography says they should
be but we still have to prove it.
Then there is the puzzle for Chris and his Weaverham/London connections.
If all else fails with Anstey volunteers, I have a number of non List
contacts who I could attempt to "sell the idea" of a DNA test to but
probably would have to pay the fee for them to make it happen which I will
do if necessary.
Will await developments
Cheers
Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2007 11:21 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
> Hi All,
>
> Yes its me again. Is there any body else out there that can do the DNA
> testing. I'm looking for Somerset and Hertfordshire candidates. So far we
> have had a good response connecting the Yorkshire Lincolnshire and
> Cambridgeshire areas but I would like to have another volunteer for
Somerset
> Also as there are a lot from the Hertfordshire area I would like to try
and
> connect those up with Cambridge and Essex as they over linked each other
at
> one time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Liz
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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>
Hi All,
Yes its me again. Is there any body else out there that can do the DNA
testing. I'm looking for Somerset and Hertfordshire candidates. So far we
have had a good response connecting the Yorkshire Lincolnshire and
Cambridgeshire areas but I would like to have another volunteer for Somerset
Also as there are a lot from the Hertfordshire area I would like to try and
connect those up with Cambridge and Essex as they over linked each other at
one time.
Cheers
Liz