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Hi Tim,
The clever Catley was from Yorkshire according to the entry (and as a sizar)
apparently not
from wealth, so a very good chance he could be one of yours. I wonder if
the University
has any more info about him other than that bare bones entry.
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
> Hello Kay and Marge,
>
> My family ex Stevan Catlay started from humble beginnings as far as we
> know
> and it was not until five generations down his line did his issue "make
> good" which was in the mid 1700's by which time they had businesses in
> York,
> Hull and London.
>
> It is possible I suppose, that this John Catley was a member of my tree
> (one
> that we have not yet connected) but I think it unlikely because I do not
> think my early ancestors at the time in question had the money to send a
> son
> to Cambridge. Such an undertaking, as Kay rightly says, would have needed
> considerable family wealth and if the event had happened within the tree,
> I
> feel certain that it would have both been recorded and passed down the
> line.
>
> That said, then who was this John Catley?
>
> I agree with Kay that it is a pretty good bet that all the Yorkshire
> Cat*leys have common ancestry but with only my tree history/continuity to
> go
> on for the present back to 1590, it looks pretty certain to me that any
> "common denominator" connection must pre date this?
>
> Hopefully parallel research done on "other Yorkshire Cat*leys" by such as
> you Kay will peel back the years and eventually you will reveal how other
> families developed?
>
> As for DNA tests: have mixed feelings here because most people undertake
> such to prove a theory. In the case proposed:- that it could show a common
> ancestry for all Yorkshire Cat*leys. Fine if it did and I am certain that
> we
> would renew our resolve to research deeper but what if it showed no match?
> The reaction would be to switch off and not bother to do further research
> in
> that direction.
>
> If DNA testing was to be done, then I think it should be carried out on a
> wider selection of Cat*ley cells Nationally. This would show a much better
> broad picture of gene compatibility. We already know that by circa 1600
> there were Cat*ley nameholders in Lincs, Yorks, Essex, Cambs,Herts and
> London with others in Somerset Norton etc appearing soon after.
>
> Think that DNA tests should thus be carried out in the broad picture
> research rather than on a local basis.
>
> Regards Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:15 AM
> Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
>
>
>> Hi Marge,
>>
>> I was just looking at the tree on the internet which covers 'Stevan of
>> Normanton'
>> which Tim and Erica know that they are descended from, and this John
> Catley
>> who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of Stevan. Certainly he fits
>> from
>> a time point of view. To have a son
>> (in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to University for a few years
>> indicates
>> a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he doesnt appear on
>> Stevan's Tree
>> I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica can be sure that
>> their
>> tree as
>> it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of poor younger sons dropped
>> off the
>> family radar as they married down, and moved down the social scale.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of the name.. I think there
> is
>> a very
>> good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are descended from the same family
>> origins.
>> The trick is of course, at which point they became the beginnings of your
>> (known)
>> family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton didn't just materialise -
>> he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could be associated BEFORE
>> Stevan, rather than after.
>>
>> Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and successful Catley , and
>> as
> a
>> result
>> his descendants were well off, educated, and as a result their lives and
>> marriages were recorded.
>>
>> I believe your line came from :-
>> John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m Catherine Dawson.
>>
>> and there is a strong possibility that he is also my ancestor. The DNA
>> thing of course
>> would give us the answers we need !! It would tell us how many
> generations
>> back
>> we had a common ancestor.
>>
>> I know what you mean about trying to go forward from Tim's lot, but I
> think
>> that
>> it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all the information in the
>> middle.
>> kay h
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
>> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
>>
>>
>> > Dear Kay,
>> > Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
>> > and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
>> > Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
>> > Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
>> > Marge Cattley(PA)
>> >
>> > --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Cambridge University Alumni
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Name:
>> >> JOHN CATLEY
>> >>
>> >> College:
>> >> JESUS
>> >>
>> >> Entered:
>> >> 1634
>> >>
>> >> More Information:
>> >> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
>> >> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
>> >>
>> >>
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Hello Marge,
If you were considering DNA via the male line tests, why not consider one of
your nephews David/Robert/James?
Am sure they would assist if asked.
Regards Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: <kitkattley(a)netscape.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to
anyone?????
> Thanks for replying so quickly, Kay. I think your right about all this.
And the information I got from my brother Louis and then Tim was back as far
as John Catley and Catherine Dawson. I am watching your progress and saving
all the info. And, I also think we may all be related starting before Stevan
of Normanton. DNA tests would be great, but I think Tim mentioned it would
need to be the males DNA to my Cousin Sandi,I believe. In any case, it would
be a good idea.
>
> Marge C. PA
>
> --- hampden(a)bigpond.net.au wrote:
>
> From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> To: CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
> Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:15:47 +1000
>
> Hi Marge,
>
> I was just looking at the tree on the internet which covers 'Stevan of
> Normanton'
> which Tim and Erica know that they are descended from, and this John
Catley
> who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of Stevan. Certainly he fits
> from
> a time point of view. To have a son
> (in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to University for a few years
> indicates
> a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he doesnt appear on
> Stevan's Tree
> I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica can be sure that their
> tree as
> it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of poor younger sons dropped
> off the
> family radar as they married down, and moved down the social scale.
>
> I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of the name.. I think there
is
> a very
> good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are descended from the same family
> origins.
> The trick is of course, at which point they became the beginnings of your
> (known)
> family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton didn't just materialise -
> he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could be associated BEFORE
> Stevan, rather than after.
>
> Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and successful Catley , and as
a
> result
> his descendants were well off, educated, and as a result their lives and
> marriages were recorded.
>
> I believe your line came from :-
> John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m Catherine Dawson.
>
> and there is a strong possibility that he is also my ancestor. The DNA
> thing of course
> would give us the answers we need !! It would tell us how many generations
> back
> we had a common ancestor.
>
> I know what you mean about trying to go forward from Tim's lot, but I
think
> that
> it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all the information in the
> middle.
> kay h
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
>
>
> > Dear Kay,
> > Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
> > and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
> > Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
> > Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
> > Marge Cattley(PA)
> >
> > --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Cambridge University Alumni
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Name:
> >> JOHN CATLEY
> >>
> >> College:
> >> JESUS
> >>
> >> Entered:
> >> 1634
> >>
> >> More Information:
> >> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
> >> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
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Hi Tim,
Yes, that is a good Idea. I will try to ask them and
see if any one of them are interested.
Thanks,
Marge
--- Tim Cattley <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
> Hello Marge,
>
> If you were considering DNA via the male line tests,
> why not consider one of
> your nephews David/Robert/James?
>
> Am sure they would assist if asked.
>
> Regards Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <kitkattley(a)netscape.com>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:48 AM
> Subject: Re: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever
> Catley - belong to
> anyone?????
>
>
> > Thanks for replying so quickly, Kay. I think your
> right about all this.
> And the information I got from my brother Louis and
> then Tim was back as far
> as John Catley and Catherine Dawson. I am watching
> your progress and saving
> all the info. And, I also think we may all be
> related starting before Stevan
> of Normanton. DNA tests would be great, but I think
> Tim mentioned it would
> need to be the males DNA to my Cousin Sandi,I
> believe. In any case, it would
> be a good idea.
> >
> > Marge C. PA
> >
> > --- hampden(a)bigpond.net.au wrote:
> >
> > From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> > To: CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley
> - belong to anyone?????
> > Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:15:47 +1000
> >
> > Hi Marge,
> >
> > I was just looking at the tree on the internet
> which covers 'Stevan of
> > Normanton'
> > which Tim and Erica know that they are descended
> from, and this John
> Catley
> > who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of
> Stevan. Certainly he fits
> > from
> > a time point of view. To have a son
> > (in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to
> University for a few years
> > indicates
> > a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he
> doesnt appear on
> > Stevan's Tree
> > I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica
> can be sure that their
> > tree as
> > it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of
> poor younger sons dropped
> > off the
> > family radar as they married down, and moved down
> the social scale.
> >
> > I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of
> the name.. I think there
> is
> > a very
> > good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are
> descended from the same family
> > origins.
> > The trick is of course, at which point they became
> the beginnings of your
> > (known)
> > family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton
> didn't just materialise -
> > he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could
> be associated BEFORE
> > Stevan, rather than after.
> >
> > Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and
> successful Catley , and as
> a
> > result
> > his descendants were well off, educated, and as a
> result their lives and
> > marriages were recorded.
> >
> > I believe your line came from :-
> > John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m
> Catherine Dawson.
> >
> > and there is a strong possibility that he is also
> my ancestor. The DNA
> > thing of course
> > would give us the answers we need !! It would tell
> us how many generations
> > back
> > we had a common ancestor.
> >
> > I know what you mean about trying to go forward
> from Tim's lot, but I
> think
> > that
> > it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all
> the information in the
> > middle.
> > kay h
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
> > To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley
> - belong to anyone?????
> >
> >
> > > Dear Kay,
> > > Since Tim told me that my branch started out as
> Catley
> > > and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes
> spelled it
> > > Catley...Could he somehow be related to my
> Branch?
> > > Should we sort of begin there and try to go
> forward ?
> > > Marge Cattley(PA)
> > >
> > > --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Cambridge University Alumni
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Name:
> > >> JOHN CATLEY
> > >>
> > >> College:
> > >> JESUS
> > >>
> > >> Entered:
> > >> 1634
> > >>
> > >> More Information:
> > >> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
> > >> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
>
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> about
> > >> your ancestors, find
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Thanks Peter, that is interesting. I was making a huge assumption !
so, I wonder who he was.....can we assume that having been to
Cambridge he then would have improved his lot in life? We might
be able to find him popping up later.
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter & Jean Swinbank" <p-j.swinbank(a)lineone.net>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2006 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
> Kay,
> I see that this clever Catley was admitted sizar at Jesus College which
> indicates that he did not come from a well-to-do family at all - his
> parents were probably rather poor. Sizars were bright students from poor
> families who were admitted to Cambridge at little or no cost to them in
> return for performing certain menial duties. Check out this online
> definition of Sizar: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Sizar.
> It is a common misconception that only people from rich families could
> attend university before the middle of the 20th century: there were
> usually bursaries/jobs/funds available to ensure that able students were
> not deprived of education - I should know, it happened in my own family in
> the 1930's, and also (I think) in the 17th century in Yorkshire, as it
> happens.
> Cheers,
> Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:15 AM
> Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
>
>
>> Hi Marge,
>>
>> I was just looking at the tree on the internet which covers 'Stevan of
>> Normanton'
>> which Tim and Erica know that they are descended from, and this John
>> Catley
>> who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of Stevan. Certainly he fits
>> from
>> a time point of view. To have a son
>> (in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to University for a few years
>> indicates
>> a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he doesnt appear on
>> Stevan's Tree
>> I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica can be sure that
>> their tree as
>> it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of poor younger sons dropped
>> off the
>> family radar as they married down, and moved down the social scale.
>>
>> I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of the name.. I think there
>> is a very
>> good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are descended from the same family
>> origins.
>> The trick is of course, at which point they became the beginnings of your
>> (known)
>> family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton didn't just materialise -
>> he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could be associated BEFORE
>> Stevan, rather than after.
>>
>> Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and successful Catley , and
>> as a result
>> his descendants were well off, educated, and as a result their lives and
>> marriages were recorded.
>>
>> I believe your line came from :-
>> John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m Catherine Dawson.
>>
>> and there is a strong possibility that he is also my ancestor. The DNA
>> thing of course
>> would give us the answers we need !! It would tell us how many
>> generations back
>> we had a common ancestor.
>>
>> I know what you mean about trying to go forward from Tim's lot, but I
>> think that
>> it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all the information in the
>> middle.
>> kay h
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
>> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
>>
>>
>>> Dear Kay,
>>> Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
>>> and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
>>> Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
>>> Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
>>> Marge Cattley(PA)
>>>
>>> --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cambridge University Alumni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Name:
>>>> JOHN CATLEY
>>>>
>>>> College:
>>>> JESUS
>>>>
>>>> Entered:
>>>> 1634
>>>>
>>>> More Information:
>>>> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
>>>> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ==== CATLEY Mailing List ====
>>>> See our CAT(T)LEY One-Name pages at :
>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
>>>>
>>>> ==============================
>>>> View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about
>>>> your ancestors, find
>>>> marriage announcements and more. Learn more:
>>>> http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Hello Kay and Marge,
My family ex Stevan Catlay started from humble beginnings as far as we know
and it was not until five generations down his line did his issue "make
good" which was in the mid 1700's by which time they had businesses in York,
Hull and London.
It is possible I suppose, that this John Catley was a member of my tree (one
that we have not yet connected) but I think it unlikely because I do not
think my early ancestors at the time in question had the money to send a son
to Cambridge. Such an undertaking, as Kay rightly says, would have needed
considerable family wealth and if the event had happened within the tree, I
feel certain that it would have both been recorded and passed down the line.
That said, then who was this John Catley?
I agree with Kay that it is a pretty good bet that all the Yorkshire
Cat*leys have common ancestry but with only my tree history/continuity to go
on for the present back to 1590, it looks pretty certain to me that any
"common denominator" connection must pre date this?
Hopefully parallel research done on "other Yorkshire Cat*leys" by such as
you Kay will peel back the years and eventually you will reveal how other
families developed?
As for DNA tests: have mixed feelings here because most people undertake
such to prove a theory. In the case proposed:- that it could show a common
ancestry for all Yorkshire Cat*leys. Fine if it did and I am certain that we
would renew our resolve to research deeper but what if it showed no match?
The reaction would be to switch off and not bother to do further research in
that direction.
If DNA testing was to be done, then I think it should be carried out on a
wider selection of Cat*ley cells Nationally. This would show a much better
broad picture of gene compatibility. We already know that by circa 1600
there were Cat*ley nameholders in Lincs, Yorks, Essex, Cambs,Herts and
London with others in Somerset Norton etc appearing soon after.
Think that DNA tests should thus be carried out in the broad picture
research rather than on a local basis.
Regards Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 12:15 AM
Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
> Hi Marge,
>
> I was just looking at the tree on the internet which covers 'Stevan of
> Normanton'
> which Tim and Erica know that they are descended from, and this John
Catley
> who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of Stevan. Certainly he fits
> from
> a time point of view. To have a son
> (in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to University for a few years
> indicates
> a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he doesnt appear on
> Stevan's Tree
> I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica can be sure that their
> tree as
> it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of poor younger sons dropped
> off the
> family radar as they married down, and moved down the social scale.
>
> I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of the name.. I think there
is
> a very
> good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are descended from the same family
> origins.
> The trick is of course, at which point they became the beginnings of your
> (known)
> family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton didn't just materialise -
> he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could be associated BEFORE
> Stevan, rather than after.
>
> Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and successful Catley , and as
a
> result
> his descendants were well off, educated, and as a result their lives and
> marriages were recorded.
>
> I believe your line came from :-
> John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m Catherine Dawson.
>
> and there is a strong possibility that he is also my ancestor. The DNA
> thing of course
> would give us the answers we need !! It would tell us how many
generations
> back
> we had a common ancestor.
>
> I know what you mean about trying to go forward from Tim's lot, but I
think
> that
> it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all the information in the
> middle.
> kay h
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
>
>
> > Dear Kay,
> > Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
> > and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
> > Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
> > Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
> > Marge Cattley(PA)
> >
> > --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> Cambridge University Alumni
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Name:
> >> JOHN CATLEY
> >>
> >> College:
> >> JESUS
> >>
> >> Entered:
> >> 1634
> >>
> >> More Information:
> >> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
> >> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
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Hi Marge,
I was just looking at the tree on the internet which covers 'Stevan of
Normanton'
which Tim and Erica know that they are descended from, and this John Catley
who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of Stevan. Certainly he fits
from
a time point of view. To have a son
(in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to University for a few years
indicates
a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he doesnt appear on
Stevan's Tree
I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica can be sure that their
tree as
it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of poor younger sons dropped
off the
family radar as they married down, and moved down the social scale.
I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of the name.. I think there is
a very
good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are descended from the same family
origins.
The trick is of course, at which point they became the beginnings of your
(known)
family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton didn't just materialise -
he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could be associated BEFORE
Stevan, rather than after.
Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and successful Catley , and as a
result
his descendants were well off, educated, and as a result their lives and
marriages were recorded.
I believe your line came from :-
John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m Catherine Dawson.
and there is a strong possibility that he is also my ancestor. The DNA
thing of course
would give us the answers we need !! It would tell us how many generations
back
we had a common ancestor.
I know what you mean about trying to go forward from Tim's lot, but I think
that
it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all the information in the
middle.
kay h
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
> Dear Kay,
> Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
> and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
> Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
> Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
> Marge Cattley(PA)
>
> --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Cambridge University Alumni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Name:
>> JOHN CATLEY
>>
>> College:
>> JESUS
>>
>> Entered:
>> 1634
>>
>> More Information:
>> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
>> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
>>
>>
>>
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>> See our CAT(T)LEY One-Name pages at :
>>
>>
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Cambridge University Alumni
Name:
JOHN CATLEY
College:
JESUS
Entered:
1634
More Information:
Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire. Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
Hi
I was looking around the graveyard at All Saints, Ecclesall, Sheffield when I noticed a gravestone for Thomas and Sarah CATLEY. I took a photo of the gravestone as I thought it may be of interest to someone on this list. If you would like a copy of it then email me and I'll send you one.
In Affectionate Remembrance of
Sarah
the beloved wife of Thomas Catley;
who departed this life on the 27th day of July 1872, aged 53 years.
She was a kind wife, and an affectionate mother.
Also in Loving Rememberance of
the above Thomas Catley;
who departed this life August 17th 1884, aged 70 years.
He sleeps in peace.
best wishes
Kay
Hi All,
Does anybody have access to the immagration records for New York or perhaps somebody has come across the following person.
Benjamin Catley either arrived or sailed for N.Y 1830 aged 25 years.
I'm looking for a whole family that disappeared of the face of the earth about this time. They do not show up on any census on or after the 1841 census.
Benjamin Catley
Charlotte Catley nee Thorpe
Daughters Caroline Ann bap 1826 and Charlotte bap 1827
Benjamin and Charlotte married 1825 Hastings.
Cheers
Liz
Thanks for replying so quickly, Kay. I think your right about all this. And the information I got from my brother Louis and then Tim was back as far as John Catley and Catherine Dawson. I am watching your progress and saving all the info. And, I also think we may all be related starting before Stevan of Normanton. DNA tests would be great, but I think Tim mentioned it would need to be the males DNA to my Cousin Sandi,I believe. In any case, it would be a good idea.
Marge C. PA
--- hampden(a)bigpond.net.au wrote:
From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Fw: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 09:15:47 +1000
Hi Marge,
I was just looking at the tree on the internet which covers 'Stevan of
Normanton'
which Tim and Erica know that they are descended from, and this John Catley
who went to Cambridge, could easily be a son of Stevan. Certainly he fits
from
a time point of view. To have a son
(in Yorkshire) who you could afford to send to University for a few years
indicates
a substantial income in 1634. And the fact that he doesnt appear on
Stevan's Tree
I think means little - I don't think Tim and Erica can be sure that their
tree as
it is recorded, includes every child. Plenty of poor younger sons dropped
off the
family radar as they married down, and moved down the social scale.
I wouldn't worry too much about the spelling of the name.. I think there is
a very
good chance that we Yorkshire Catley's are descended from the same family
origins.
The trick is of course, at which point they became the beginnings of your
(known)
family or mine. Obviously Stevan of Normanton didn't just materialise -
he had siblings and parents somewhere - we could be associated BEFORE
Stevan, rather than after.
Maybe Stevan was just a particularly clever and successful Catley , and as a
result
his descendants were well off, educated, and as a result their lives and
marriages were recorded.
I believe your line came from :-
John Catley, born Bilton Ainsty around 1797/8 - m Catherine Dawson.
and there is a strong possibility that he is also my ancestor. The DNA
thing of course
would give us the answers we need !! It would tell us how many generations
back
we had a common ancestor.
I know what you mean about trying to go forward from Tim's lot, but I think
that
it is unlikely we will ever be able to fill in all the information in the
middle.
kay h
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marge Cattley" <kitkattley2001(a)yahoo.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Fw: an early, clever Catley - belong to anyone?????
> Dear Kay,
> Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
> and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
> Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
> Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
> Marge Cattley(PA)
>
> --- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
>
>> Cambridge University Alumni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Name:
>> JOHN CATLEY
>>
>> College:
>> JESUS
>>
>> Entered:
>> 1634
>>
>> More Information:
>> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
>> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
>>
>>
>>
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>> See our CAT(T)LEY One-Name pages at :
>>
>>
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Dear Kay,
Since Tim told me that my branch started out as Catley
and my Great Grandfather Thomas sometimes spelled it
Catley...Could he somehow be related to my Branch?
Should we sort of begin there and try to go forward ?
Marge Cattley(PA)
--- William N H Heath <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Cambridge University Alumni
>
>
>
>
>
> Name:
> JOHN CATLEY
>
> College:
> JESUS
>
> Entered:
> 1634
>
> More Information:
> Adm. sizar at JESUS, May 8, 1634. Of Yorkshire.
> Matric. 1634; B.A. 1637-8.
>
>
>
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Hi Liz,
Alot of those are already on Chris's page, but not all I think.
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Pigots Directory 1834 Yorkshire
> Thanks for the information Liz,
>
> Most interesting especially as I am trying to make some sense of the Moor
> Garforth Cat*leys for Marge Cattley of Pennsylvania who's ancestors come
> from this then village in W.Yorkshire.
>
> The York and Hull refs all concern my Tree ie Stevan of Normanton but the
> Goole Blockmakers of Henry Catley at Dockside has got me thinking.
>
> Cheers
>
> Timcatt
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: liz cordingley <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 3:55 PM
> Subject: [CAT...] Pigots Directory 1834 Yorkshire
>
>
>> Hi All,
>> This info is taken from the free CD with Your Family Tree mag. for the
> above area.
>>
>> Aberford West Garforth
>> Joiner
>> John Catley Moore Garforth
>>
>> Shopkeepers and Dealers in Sundries
>> James Catley Church Garforth
>>
>> Wheelwrights
>> John Catley Moore Garforth
>>
>> Goole
>> Blockmakers
>> Henry Catley Dock Side
>>
>> York & C
>> Nobility & Gentry and Clergy
>> Mrs Mary Cattley Marygate
>>
>> Reference to Hull
>> Rd Cattley & Steph Robt.
>>
>> Agents
>> Richd Cattley & Stephen Robt. 160 High Street
>>
>> Slate Merchants
>> John Henry Cattley Baltic Wharf North St
>>
>> Timber Merchants
>> John Henry Cattley Baltic Wharf North St
>>
>> The information below was a taster for you to buy further CD's but I
> thought it might be usfull. They are only for the surname Cattley but are
> BMD at various parishes
>>
>> Surrey Mickleham St Michael's 1879-1891 1896-1899
>>
>> Horsham St Mary's St Mark's Holy Trinity St John's 1885-1886 1888-1891
>>
>> Sussex Itchingfield St Nicholas 1885-1886 1888-1891
>>
>> Petworth St Mary's 1884,1885,1886,1887,1888,1891
>>
>> Roffey All Saints 1885-1886 1888-1891
>>
>> It might help you narrow down your search
>>
>> Regards
>> Liz
>>
>>
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