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Yes, would be good if Liz can do it
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: DNA
> >Yes indeed DNA testing is not cheap by any means and
>>it is a purely personal matter as to when it becomes
>>affordable in terms of what one invests V's what one
>>expects to get out of it.
>>Have thought long and hard about it and feel that now
>>is the time to have a go.
>>My "expectations" are that of curiosity only with a hope that
>>the Yorkshire Cat*leys have a common ancestry and that this
>>may well stretch back to Lincs origins.
>>If any of this proves not to be the case, it will not necessarily
>>be a disappointment, just a shift in focus in further research.
>>
>>Is everybody agreed (those of us who wish to start the DNA
>>ball rolling) to take Liz up on her kind offer to act as our
>>Administrator?
>
>>Regards Timcatt
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:50 AM
> Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: DNA
>
>
>> I agree with all that - and I think 5 tests is an excellent
>> start. There will be no 'answers' but I also think there is
>> a strong chance we all trace back to Lincs...whether or not
>> the monastery plays a part..who knows.
>>
>> Bear in mind that there is also a 'british origins' type
>> DNA comparison program on that website, which for those interested and as
>> the numbers
>> participating gets larger, will give those whose DNA is on record, some
>> interesting information. Mick is probably the person to tell us how that
>> will work.
>>
>> If you have a look at the HEATH project on www.familytreedna.com you
>> will see how they have grouped the people with (virtually) matching DNA -
>> mind you
>> I think they have had 27 people doing the test.
>>
>> kayh
>> Tim, I am very hopeful that my Canadian 'cousin' will participate, he
>> and I will come under the Nth & West Yorks banner.
>> We will split the cost, as Jocelyn rightly points out, it's very
>> expensive
>> if you are paying in non-US (and especially NZ) dollars.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
>> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:42 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
>>
>>
>> > Jocelyn,
>> >
>> > When I first raised the issue of DNA testing again, in my e-mail of the
>> > 27th
>> > November I indicated that I was doing so out of curiosity and for two
>> > reasons.
>> >
>> > 1. To give some evidence to support or disprove the theory that all
>> > Cat*leys
>> > might possibly stem from a common source in Lincolnshire and maybe
>> > associated in some lay way with the Monastic settlement there.
>> >
>> > 2. On a regional basis there are a number of trees that have developed
> in
>> > a
>> > close geographical area where no evidence (yet) has been found that
>> > they
>> > are
>> > connected but where logic suggests a common ancestry is highly likely.
>> >
>> > The following people have responded and indicated that they are
> interested
>> > in going ahead with DNA test comparisons:-
>> >
>> > John C: Lincolnshire origins
>> >
>> > Peter S: W/Yorkshire and Lincolnshire origins
>> >
>> > Myself: W/Yorkshire origins
>> >
>> > Glynis B: Somerset Norton origins
>> >
>> > Lynda P: Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire origins.
>> >
>> > Given that the "Roll Call" indicates that listers are active in
>> > researching
>> > some 24 different lines of Catley and I feel sure that there are more
> out
>> > there who have not responded (making an estimate on the total number
>> > of
>> > lines is pure speculation on my part but must run to 30 surely?) and
> five
>> > DNA tests therefore only accounts for about 16% which is rather too low
> in
>> > my opinion and does not cover either the known London and Essex lines
>> > either.
>> >
>> > However from what Glynis has unearthed re DNA tests, five tests would
>> > at
>> > least be a start and would tell us all something at least and others
> could
>> > join later as they wished.
>> >
>> > I will send you the results of the Roll Call, direct as an attachment.
>> >
>> > Regards Timcatt
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov" <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
>> > To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:07 AM
>> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hi there All,
>> >> I am sitting on the fence about asking my father or brothers to do
>> >> this
>> >> test, for a number of reasons. I suppose firstly its expensive esp
>> >> when
>> > you
>> >> convert NZ dollars, and I would like to be sure it would give us some
>> >> good
>> >> answers (whether they are yes or no).
>> >> Therefore, could we please have a list of the Cat*ley lines recorded
>> >> in
>> > the
>> >> recently completed survey and the lines that have so far offered to do
> a
>> > DNA
>> >> test. I had a quick read of the info and see that its beneficial for
>> > several
>> >> people from 1 line to do the test and wonder if this is being
> considered.
>> >> Are any of the other lines in NZ, other than Kay going to do the test
>> >> ?
>> >> Regards
>> >> Jocelyn
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>> >> To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
>> >> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:54 AM
>> >> Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > HI All,
>> >> > I finally managed to speak to my step dad on the subject. He is
>> >> > going
>> >> > to
>> >> have a think about it over night. The only problem is I have records
> for
>> > his
>> >> family being all over the place, but it includes Yorkshire,
> Lincolnshire,
>> >> London, Wales and Sussex. Oh and Canada and USA. The earlist date
>> >> being
>> >> in
>> >> Lincolnshire.
>> >> >
>> >> > You would also need to nominate a Group Administrator for the web
> site.
>> > I
>> >> dont mind doing it but if anybody else would like to do it volunteer
>> >> yourself then we can put it to the vote.
>> >> > Once we have that part sorted out we can then go to familytreedna
>> >> > and
>> > set
>> >> up the site. I assume we would call it the Catley DNA. Then once that
> is
>> > set
>> >> up people can then order their swab kits and away we go!!!!!!!!!
>> >> >
>> >> > Talk soon
>> >> > Liz
>> >> >
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>> >> quotes
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>> >>
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>Sorry to hear that Derek,
>We seem to be short of Essex Cat*ley researchers which is a pity
>especially as Cat*leys there seem to have spread West and have
>possible connections with the Cambs and Herts ones?
>Have you had a look at the IGI records for Halstead?
>I take it that you are aware of the work of Mervyn Davies who is
>a descendant of the Halstead Catleys?
>He has the line from Ada Beatrice Catley b 26/6/1878 the illigit
>daughter of Hannah Catley back some four generations before that
>to John Catley m Susannah Bartlett.
>Not sure what happened to Merve, he was seemingly very involved
>in Cat*ley one name study but gave it up very suddenly circa 1999.
Best wishes
Tim Cattley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Derek Miller" <dmi24258(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: "Catley list" <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 8:38 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
> Tim,
>
> My Essex Catley connection is my wife's g/father, & he only produced a boy
&
> two girls. The boy didn't produce, so that only leaves the girls, which
> rather leaves me out as I understand it. If only I could find a readable
> 1841 or 1851 census of Halstead I might at least get into one of the other
> lines.
>
> Derek Miller
>
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Hi All,
I spoke to John and he is willing to do the test. As they automatically test for the highest range of markers and keep the records on file for 25 years he would like to do a middle range test first with a view to update later.
So for those able to do the test now what range of markers would you like to opt for. A 12 would be no good unless you want to prove a cousin is related to you. How about trying the 37 marker and then if we dont get any results go for the higher marker later on giving people chance to save some more pennies!!
Mick let me know what you think about our chances of proving anything with this amount of markers.
I loose John's family in 1771 so I havent been able to go back further than that. This would be 7 generations back from John. How about the rest of you? It would be facinating to find that Thomas b 1771 had brothers and they went to Yorkshire to form part of Kay's family for example. Then would come the hard part of finding out the person that linked them together.
Talk soon
Liz
Tim,
My Essex Catley connection is my wife's g/father, & he only produced a boy &
two girls. The boy didn't produce, so that only leaves the girls, which
rather leaves me out as I understand it. If only I could find a readable
1841 or 1851 census of Halstead I might at least get into one of the other
lines.
Derek Miller
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>Yes indeed DNA testing is not cheap by any means and
>it is a purely personal matter as to when it becomes
>affordable in terms of what one invests V's what one
>expects to get out of it.
>Have thought long and hard about it and feel that now
>is the time to have a go.
>My "expectations" are that of curiosity only with a hope that
>the Yorkshire Cat*leys have a common ancestry and that this
>may well stretch back to Lincs origins.
>If any of this proves not to be the case, it will not necessarily
>be a disappointment, just a shift in focus in further research.
>
>Is everybody agreed (those of us who wish to start the DNA
>ball rolling) to take Liz up on her kind offer to act as our
>Administrator?
>Regards Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 2:50 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: DNA
> I agree with all that - and I think 5 tests is an excellent
> start. There will be no 'answers' but I also think there is
> a strong chance we all trace back to Lincs...whether or not
> the monastery plays a part..who knows.
>
> Bear in mind that there is also a 'british origins' type
> DNA comparison program on that website, which for those interested and as
> the numbers
> participating gets larger, will give those whose DNA is on record, some
> interesting information. Mick is probably the person to tell us how that
> will work.
>
> If you have a look at the HEATH project on www.familytreedna.com you
> will see how they have grouped the people with (virtually) matching DNA -
> mind you
> I think they have had 27 people doing the test.
>
> kayh
> Tim, I am very hopeful that my Canadian 'cousin' will participate, he
> and I will come under the Nth & West Yorks banner.
> We will split the cost, as Jocelyn rightly points out, it's very expensive
> if you are paying in non-US (and especially NZ) dollars.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
>
>
> > Jocelyn,
> >
> > When I first raised the issue of DNA testing again, in my e-mail of the
> > 27th
> > November I indicated that I was doing so out of curiosity and for two
> > reasons.
> >
> > 1. To give some evidence to support or disprove the theory that all
> > Cat*leys
> > might possibly stem from a common source in Lincolnshire and maybe
> > associated in some lay way with the Monastic settlement there.
> >
> > 2. On a regional basis there are a number of trees that have developed
in
> > a
> > close geographical area where no evidence (yet) has been found that they
> > are
> > connected but where logic suggests a common ancestry is highly likely.
> >
> > The following people have responded and indicated that they are
interested
> > in going ahead with DNA test comparisons:-
> >
> > John C: Lincolnshire origins
> >
> > Peter S: W/Yorkshire and Lincolnshire origins
> >
> > Myself: W/Yorkshire origins
> >
> > Glynis B: Somerset Norton origins
> >
> > Lynda P: Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire origins.
> >
> > Given that the "Roll Call" indicates that listers are active in
> > researching
> > some 24 different lines of Catley and I feel sure that there are more
out
> > there who have not responded (making an estimate on the total number of
> > lines is pure speculation on my part but must run to 30 surely?) and
five
> > DNA tests therefore only accounts for about 16% which is rather too low
in
> > my opinion and does not cover either the known London and Essex lines
> > either.
> >
> > However from what Glynis has unearthed re DNA tests, five tests would at
> > least be a start and would tell us all something at least and others
could
> > join later as they wished.
> >
> > I will send you the results of the Roll Call, direct as an attachment.
> >
> > Regards Timcatt
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov" <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
> > To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
> >
> >
> >> Hi there All,
> >> I am sitting on the fence about asking my father or brothers to do this
> >> test, for a number of reasons. I suppose firstly its expensive esp when
> > you
> >> convert NZ dollars, and I would like to be sure it would give us some
> >> good
> >> answers (whether they are yes or no).
> >> Therefore, could we please have a list of the Cat*ley lines recorded in
> > the
> >> recently completed survey and the lines that have so far offered to do
a
> > DNA
> >> test. I had a quick read of the info and see that its beneficial for
> > several
> >> people from 1 line to do the test and wonder if this is being
considered.
> >> Are any of the other lines in NZ, other than Kay going to do the test ?
> >> Regards
> >> Jocelyn
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> >> To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
> >> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:54 AM
> >> Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
> >>
> >>
> >> > HI All,
> >> > I finally managed to speak to my step dad on the subject. He is going
> >> > to
> >> have a think about it over night. The only problem is I have records
for
> > his
> >> family being all over the place, but it includes Yorkshire,
Lincolnshire,
> >> London, Wales and Sussex. Oh and Canada and USA. The earlist date being
> >> in
> >> Lincolnshire.
> >> >
> >> > You would also need to nominate a Group Administrator for the web
site.
> > I
> >> dont mind doing it but if anybody else would like to do it volunteer
> >> yourself then we can put it to the vote.
> >> > Once we have that part sorted out we can then go to familytreedna and
> > set
> >> up the site. I assume we would call it the Catley DNA. Then once that
is
> > set
> >> up people can then order their swab kits and away we go!!!!!!!!!
> >> >
> >> > Talk soon
> >> > Liz
> >> >
> >> > -------------------------------
> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> >> CATLEY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> >> quotes
> >> in the subject and the body of the message
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> > in the subject and the body of the message
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> >
>
>
>
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I agree with all that - and I think 5 tests is an excellent
start. There will be no 'answers' but I also think there is
a strong chance we all trace back to Lincs...whether or not
the monastery plays a part..who knows.
Bear in mind that there is also a 'british origins' type
DNA comparison program on that website, which for those interested and as
the numbers
participating gets larger, will give those whose DNA is on record, some
interesting information. Mick is probably the person to tell us how that
will work.
If you have a look at the HEATH project on www.familytreedna.com you
will see how they have grouped the people with (virtually) matching DNA -
mind you
I think they have had 27 people doing the test.
kayh
Tim, I am very hopeful that my Canadian 'cousin' will participate, he
and I will come under the Nth & West Yorks banner.
We will split the cost, as Jocelyn rightly points out, it's very expensive
if you are paying in non-US (and especially NZ) dollars.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2006 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
> Jocelyn,
>
> When I first raised the issue of DNA testing again, in my e-mail of the
> 27th
> November I indicated that I was doing so out of curiosity and for two
> reasons.
>
> 1. To give some evidence to support or disprove the theory that all
> Cat*leys
> might possibly stem from a common source in Lincolnshire and maybe
> associated in some lay way with the Monastic settlement there.
>
> 2. On a regional basis there are a number of trees that have developed in
> a
> close geographical area where no evidence (yet) has been found that they
> are
> connected but where logic suggests a common ancestry is highly likely.
>
> The following people have responded and indicated that they are interested
> in going ahead with DNA test comparisons:-
>
> John C: Lincolnshire origins
>
> Peter S: W/Yorkshire and Lincolnshire origins
>
> Myself: W/Yorkshire origins
>
> Glynis B: Somerset Norton origins
>
> Lynda P: Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire origins.
>
> Given that the "Roll Call" indicates that listers are active in
> researching
> some 24 different lines of Catley and I feel sure that there are more out
> there who have not responded (making an estimate on the total number of
> lines is pure speculation on my part but must run to 30 surely?) and five
> DNA tests therefore only accounts for about 16% which is rather too low in
> my opinion and does not cover either the known London and Essex lines
> either.
>
> However from what Glynis has unearthed re DNA tests, five tests would at
> least be a start and would tell us all something at least and others could
> join later as they wished.
>
> I will send you the results of the Roll Call, direct as an attachment.
>
> Regards Timcatt
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov" <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
> To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2006 2:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA
>
>
>> Hi there All,
>> I am sitting on the fence about asking my father or brothers to do this
>> test, for a number of reasons. I suppose firstly its expensive esp when
> you
>> convert NZ dollars, and I would like to be sure it would give us some
>> good
>> answers (whether they are yes or no).
>> Therefore, could we please have a list of the Cat*ley lines recorded in
> the
>> recently completed survey and the lines that have so far offered to do a
> DNA
>> test. I had a quick read of the info and see that its beneficial for
> several
>> people from 1 line to do the test and wonder if this is being considered.
>> Are any of the other lines in NZ, other than Kay going to do the test ?
>> Regards
>> Jocelyn
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
>> To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:54 AM
>> Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
>>
>>
>> > HI All,
>> > I finally managed to speak to my step dad on the subject. He is going
>> > to
>> have a think about it over night. The only problem is I have records for
> his
>> family being all over the place, but it includes Yorkshire, Lincolnshire,
>> London, Wales and Sussex. Oh and Canada and USA. The earlist date being
>> in
>> Lincolnshire.
>> >
>> > You would also need to nominate a Group Administrator for the web site.
> I
>> dont mind doing it but if anybody else would like to do it volunteer
>> yourself then we can put it to the vote.
>> > Once we have that part sorted out we can then go to familytreedna and
> set
>> up the site. I assume we would call it the Catley DNA. Then once that is
> set
>> up people can then order their swab kits and away we go!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> > Talk soon
>> > Liz
>> >
>> > -------------------------------
>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>> CATLEY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>> quotes
>> in the subject and the body of the message
>> >
>>
>>
>>
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Dear All
Ingrid C has brought to my attention that there are three WW1 medals on ebay, that were awarded to E.E.Cattley who was a private in "C" Squadron, Surrey Yeomanry in 1914-15 and later a Corporal in the 4th Battalion, The Queens Regiment
They consist of
The 1914 - 15 Star
The British War and Victory Medals
The Territorial Force Efficiency Medal
The start bid price is £100.
Part of the e-bay description gives the name Ernest Catley and in another section he is referred to as Corporal E.E.Catley.
The only person who fits that I know of, would be Ernest Edward Catley born 4th quarter 1891, Paddington (London).
Do any Listers have Ernest on their Tree? If so, here is an opportunity to recover a bit of your family history.
It might interest you to know that a few months ago, I picked up on e-bay a life saving medal that was awarded to a 4th cousin of mine in 1932. He was killed in action in 1941. I asked the vendor where she had obtained it and it turned out to have been found on a rubbish dump in Norfolk.
Regards
Timcatt
Hi there All,
I am sitting on the fence about asking my father or brothers to do this
test, for a number of reasons. I suppose firstly its expensive esp when you
convert NZ dollars, and I would like to be sure it would give us some good
answers (whether they are yes or no).
Therefore, could we please have a list of the Cat*ley lines recorded in the
recently completed survey and the lines that have so far offered to do a DNA
test. I had a quick read of the info and see that its beneficial for several
people from 1 line to do the test and wonder if this is being considered.
Are any of the other lines in NZ, other than Kay going to do the test ?
Regards
Jocelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2006 9:54 AM
Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
> HI All,
> I finally managed to speak to my step dad on the subject. He is going to
have a think about it over night. The only problem is I have records for his
family being all over the place, but it includes Yorkshire, Lincolnshire,
London, Wales and Sussex. Oh and Canada and USA. The earlist date being in
Lincolnshire.
>
> You would also need to nominate a Group Administrator for the web site. I
dont mind doing it but if anybody else would like to do it volunteer
yourself then we can put it to the vote.
> Once we have that part sorted out we can then go to familytreedna and set
up the site. I assume we would call it the Catley DNA. Then once that is set
up people can then order their swab kits and away we go!!!!!!!!!
>
> Talk soon
> Liz
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
CATLEY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes
in the subject and the body of the message
>
Hello Liz,
I do hope that your step dad agrees to the test, the broader spread of
Catleys we get, the better chances we engineer of getting to the bottom of
the puzzle as to origins.
Have no idea as to what workload a Group Administrator would have to carry
but as there has not exactly been an avalanche of people clamouring to join
in (just 7 so far if your step dad is happy to comply) then assume it would
be minimal?
Would be very happy if you were to take the task on, what say the rest?
Best wishes timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:54 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] DNA
> HI All,
> I finally managed to speak to my step dad on the subject. He is going to
have a think about it over night. The only problem is I have records for his
family being all over the place, but it includes Yorkshire, Lincolnshire,
London, Wales and Sussex. Oh and Canada and USA. The earlist date being in
Lincolnshire.
>
> You would also need to nominate a Group Administrator for the web site. I
dont mind doing it but if anybody else would like to do it volunteer
yourself then we can put it to the vote.
> Once we have that part sorted out we can then go to familytreedna and set
up the site. I assume we would call it the Catley DNA. Then once that is set
up people can then order their swab kits and away we go!!!!!!!!!
>
> Talk soon
> Liz
>
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HI All,
I finally managed to speak to my step dad on the subject. He is going to have a think about it over night. The only problem is I have records for his family being all over the place, but it includes Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, London, Wales and Sussex. Oh and Canada and USA. The earlist date being in Lincolnshire.
You would also need to nominate a Group Administrator for the web site. I dont mind doing it but if anybody else would like to do it volunteer yourself then we can put it to the vote.
Once we have that part sorted out we can then go to familytreedna and set up the site. I assume we would call it the Catley DNA. Then once that is set up people can then order their swab kits and away we go!!!!!!!!!
Talk soon
Liz
Hi Liz,
Thank you for sending the information gained from Leah
Wark(a)familytreedna.com much appreciated indeed.
As you will have noted from the returns, we now have Peter S offering two
DNA volunteers one representing a W/Yorks Catley tree and the other a
Lincolnshire one.
Glynis.B offers a brother for the Somerset Norton and South Wales Catleys
Lynda.P proffers a male cousin to represent the Melbourn (Cambs) Catleys
Then there is John.C who also represents a Lincolnshire line plus myself for
a second W/Yorks known Cattley Tree.
I think we need a few more separate volunteers of London/Essex origins
Catleys plus a few more from the Yorkshire area to make up a good
representational cross section of the spread of Catleys as we know them to
be.
Then there are a few Down Under such as Bernie who have not yet managed to
find their UK connections who may also like to participate?
Nodoubt readers will have digested Leah's information and those interested
will have decided if they think the cost involved is worth the possible
outcome?
Assuming that they are happy to proceed with familytreedna as a research
source, the next thing to decide is how many DNA Markers to go for ......
12/25/37/67 ?
As I read it, individual sample senders elect and pay for the number of
markers they wish to have tested under a Catley Surname Project with the
option of "upgrading" if any interesting and exciting initial matches are
found.
Prices vary from $99.00 to $189.00.
I think it is time to kick start the project off assuming those who have
responded are happy to go with familytreedna.com ?
How do we go to stage 2?
Presumably those who have volunteered are happy ( I am) for their individual
e-mail addresses to be given to Leah to gain direct contact and be provided
with the test kit?
Comments please one and all?
Regards Timcatt
P.S. Peter and John :- I assume that there is no known connection between
your Lincolnshire Catley genealogy?
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:05 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: RE: Group DNA testing
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: liz cordingley
> To: liz cordingley
> Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:04 PM
> Subject: Fw: RE: Group DNA testing
>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: leahw(a)familytreedna.com
> Date: 11/30/06 21:00:32
> To: 'liz cordingley'
> Subject: RE: Group DNA testing
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you for your email. I am including information on starting a
Catley Surname Project below. If you have any questions or would like to
start the project please don't hesitate to contact me.
>
> Since last names are passed down from father to son like the
Y-chromosome, male Catleys will be able to participate in the project with
Y-DNA tests. The Y-DNA test will look at the direct paternal line (father's
father's father's....line with no input from any spouses along the way).
Since only males have a Y-chromosome, the test taker must be male.
>
> The tests provide information regarding the single origin of the
direct line being tested in broad geographic terms (Asia, for example). We
also compare you against our database. If there are others with similar
results to you we list what they have entered for their country of origin.
By way of comparison this can provide hints as to more probable countries
for your own origin.
>
> Thank you for your interest in starting a surname project! Starting
a project is very easy to do, and involves no additional cost. In fact, we
offer discounted test prices for the project's participants. We also send
kits out internationally on a daily basis; the only difference is a $4
shipping fee rather than $2 in the US, and it can take a little longer for
the mail to arrive at its destination. All of the results and tools we
offer you are available online so other than having test kits sent you will
not need to depend on mail in order to run your project.
>
> Here is some information about getting a project started, including
the project's discounted test pricing.
>
>
> Below are full details of our Surname Projects. Currently we have
over 3600 projects underway at Family Tree DNA. We receive over 100,000
visitors a month to our web site, which means and increased chance for
individuals to become aware of the existence of a project with your surname
and variants, and join it.
>
> We have no project set-up fee, we offer free analysis of the results
and provide comparative tools for calculating genetic distance. Family Tree
DNA is backed by the Molecular Lab for Science and Evolution at the
University of Arizona, one of the 5 leading Y-chromosome universities in the
world. We are the only Genetic Genealogy company supported by one of these
major Y-chromosome labs.
>
> We also preserve the DNA for 25 years because we know this
technology is at its infancy and if you don't preserve the DNA you can't
refine a sample when someone passes on.
>
> We also provide haplogroup information for each person which locates
them on the phylogenic tree of Homo Sapiens. You can learn more about our
SNP Assurance Program here: http://www.familytreedna.com/SNP_assurance.html.
It is something that you will become familiar with because it is
incorporated into our system.
>
> When you are ready to start your project just send me an email with
the project name, administrator name, and administrator email and I will
arrange this!
>
>
> Starting a Surname Project
>
>
> Below are some tips and techniques for the Group Administrator to
start a Surname Project, as well as project pricing.
>
> 1. Establish the project objectives
>
> The Y-chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged, except for
the occasional mutation. Testing the Y-chromosome will provide you with a
genetic finger print consisting of 12, 25, 37, or 67 numbers. By comparing
this finger print to others with your surname, you can determine if they are
related.
>
> The objectives of Surname Projects vary. Here are a few examples:
>
> Identify others who are related
> Prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors
> Solve brick walls in your research
> Determine a location for further research
> Validate existing research
>
> Often a Surname Project has multiple objectives, and the objectives
may even change over the life of the project.
>
> Most Surname Projects start with the objective to identify others
who are related, and through out the project the other objectives are
achieved simply as a result of the project.
>
> 2. Select 12, 25, 37 or 67 markers
>
> The next step for your surname project is to decide whether you test
12, 25, 37 or 67 markers. 12 markers are sufficient to determine whether or
not two people are genetically related. In addition, the 12-marker project
price of $99 is more affordable for participants, enabling you to recruit
more participants.
>
> The value of the 25, 37 or 67 marker test occurs when two
participants are likely to be related based on the 12-marker test. When
participants match with the 12-marker test, the test can be upgraded to 25,
37 or 67 markers. The objective of upgrading to additional markers is to
further reduce the time frame of the common ancestor between the matching
participants. The common ancestor is also referred to as the Most Recent
Common Ancestor, or MRCA.
>
> Typically, participants are very interested in upgrading their 12
marker test when a match occurs. Two individuals are considered related for
the 12 marker test if they match 12/12, 11/12, and sometimes with 10/12. In
the first two situations, an upgrade is recommended.
>
> 3. Jump start your project
>
> The easiest way to jump start your Surname Project, and to get
others interested in participating, is to find the first two participants.
Participants must be direct male descendents, since the Y-chromosome is
passed from father to son. If you are a direct male descendent, you are 50%
of the way to jump starting your surname project. You'll need to find just
one other participant.
>
> Most likely you have had contact with others with your surname
during the course of your family history research. One course of action is
to select a few of those contacts and write them a letter or email about
your project, and ask them to participate as the genetic representative for
their line or family.
>
> When you get a second participant from this group you have achieved
your jump start for your Surname Project, and you are ready to sign up more
participants.
>
> 4. Recruiting participants
>
> Now that you have jump started your project, recruiting participants
becomes easier. You might want to revise your letter/email to include
information that testing has begun with genetic representatives from two
families/lines to determine if they are related. Including a brief family
history of these two families/lines often stimulates interest.
>
> Develop a list of potential participants to whom you will send an
email/letter. Start with those who you have had contact with in the past
regarding your family history research. Don't eliminate the females - they
may have a brother or father whom they could ask to participate. Asking for
help finding a genetic representative for their family is one approach that
often works well.
>
> You can find additional potential participants from searching the
internet and online telephone books.
>
> 5. Getting the word out
>
> If your surname has an association, be sure to notify the
association regarding the project. Send them a brief explanation of the
project that they could post on a web site or put in a newsletter. Refer
them to your Family Tree DNA project website.
>
>
>
> Post news about your project to any appropriate mailing lists and
other posting sites.
>
> 6. Stake a claim with a web site
>
> A web site is extremely helpful for a successful surname project,
and may help potential participants find your project. There are many sites
where you can create a web site for free, and many have tools which make it
quick and easy to create a web site.
>
> Family Tree DNA has created a cookie-cutter web site that we host
for free. The site gives you an internet address for your project and will
help instill confidence in your DNA project. It takes about 10 minutes to
create and you need to absolutely nothing about web site to create your won
surname project website.
>
> If you create your own web site start with a simple site, telling
people about the project. Once you start getting results back for the
participants, you can easily add a chart and other information to the site.
>
> 7. Extra, Extra - read all about it
>
> Once you start getting results back for participants, you now have
Genetic Genealogy News for your web site, your project participants, and
others interested in your surname family history. You might consider
creating a short newsletter about the project and the results to date, and
mail this to your list of potential participants and any one with interest
in your family history. Be sure to include a paragraph with a request for
participants.
>
> ------
>
> As a registered surname project at Family Tree DNA, your project
will receive project pricing and a set of tools for the Group Administrator
plus automatic matching notifications.
>
> The surname project pricing is:
>
> 12 marker Y-DNA* test $99 + postage
> 12 to 25 Marker Upgrade $49
>
> 12 to 37 Marker Upgrade $99
> 12 to 67 Marker Upgrade $189
>
>
>
> 25 Marker Y-DNA* test $148 + postage
>
> 25 to 37 Marker Upgrade $49
>
> 25 to 67 Marker Upgrade $148
>
>
>
> 37 Marker Y-DNA* test $189 + postage
> 37 to 67 Marker Upgrade $99
>
>
>
> 67 Marker Y-DNA* test $269 + postage
>
>
> *Archival storage of your DNA for 25 years is included with all of
our tests.
>
> The Group Administrator tools include access to the Surname Project
at the Family Tree DNA web site, where you can easily order kits, track
participants, and down load results.
>
> Credit cards are accepted with our Verisign secure on-line order
system.
>
> Thank you for your interest in Family Tree DNA. If we can provide
any additional information or answer any questions, please contact us.
>
> Remember, DNA is the Gene in Genealogy!
>
>
>
> Email me any time,
>
> Leah Wark
> Family Tree DNA
> www.familytreedna.com
> "History Unearthed Daily"
> 713-868-1438
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: liz cordingley [mailto:lizcordingley@blueyonder.co.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:01 PM
> To: leahw(a)FamilyTreeDNA.com
> Subject: Group DNA testing
>
>
> Hi,
> I belong to the Catley web site at Rootsweb. For a while we have had
a discussion on whether it would benefit us to find out if the surname
Catley came from one area in England and if we could be related.
> Many of us have managed to trace our lineage back to the 1700's
however we haven't managed to find a connection between us. The surname is
concentrated around Lincolnshire, Cornwall, Yorkshire and London. We believe
the surname originated in Lincolnshire about the time of the Gilbertine
monks in the 1100's.
> If we decided to do the DNA testing on the male lines how many
people would be required to do the test and how much would it cost. Any
further information would be grateful.
> Yours sincerely
>
> Liz Cordingley
>
>
>
>
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My cousin, a male Catley who hails from Melbourn in Cambs. would be up for
it if you are collecting a group of candidates. I'm ready to take the
necessary action.
Lynda Powers
07808 956894
01582 490918
>Kay/Joan,
>There is a considerable amount of archive documentation in the NYRO
relating to this branch of Stevan Catlay of >Normanton (by which time the
Surname had settled on Cattley) which I summarise as follows:-
>a) Title Deeds and related papers: 31 items
1678-1826
>b) Wills, settlements and related papers: 9 items
1763-1873
>c) Farm Management, farm account books etc: 14 items 1824-1925
>d) Personal papers Thomas and Robert Cattley: 16 items 1798-1894
>e) Trustee and Executorship: 5 items
1746-1854
>f) Brandsby Parish (overseers of poor records) 6 items 1782-1857
>g) The Bland Family insolvency papers 4 items
1835-1862
>h) Miscellaneous(e.g. printed handbill advertising 7 items
1825-1907
> plots of land for sale in Australia by the
> Van Diemen's Land Co)
>
>It is all itemised in a North Yorkshire Record Office, County Hall,
Northallerton, report:-
>Zud Cattley of Brandsby Family Archive
>Accession No: 1493
>Catalogue Ref: ZUD
>There is also an interesting publication produced by Old West Riding Books
under the title Local History Publications edited >by Jennifer Stead: vol.5
no.2 Winter 1985 which contains a work by Gerald.N.Coveney entitled "The
Cattleys of Bramham" >which gives details in a narrative account of the
early days of this family from Stevan of Normanton via the family re
locating
>in the Parishes of Clifford and Bramham and then concentrates through the
following generations of the farming branch of the >Tree which occupied and
worked the land at Stearsby Hall and Foulrice Farm..
Regards Timcatt
----- Original Message -----
From: "William N H Heath" <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 11:44 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] Fw: Foulrise Farm
> Hi Joan
>
> I pulled that down from the North Yorkshire Records office website..
> I think you actually have to go there and ask to see the records. They
> have just put online an 'abstract' of what is available. It would be
> an interesting exercise to actually look at the personal documents they
> mention...there's bound to be letters etc which would mention other family
> members...Wills.
>
> One day all these documents will be scanned and online, but not for
> awhile yet I suspect. It's quite labour intensive doing the scanning.
>
> kayh
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <yelttac(a)clear.net.nz>
> To: <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:22 AM
> Subject: Foulrise Farm
>
>
> > Hi Kay This is sit on the fence Joan Cattley, my husband
> > Morris is a direct descendant of Steven Cattley{Catlay} in
> > other words the same family as Tim
> >
> > I was interested in your mail about Foulfise Farm etc.
> > records. We had been taken to visit that area by the 2 Miss
> > Cattleys hows family had lived there also had a look at
> > Stearsby Hall where they had been bought up.
> >
> > My question is can one access these records over the
> > internet?
> >
> > Best wishes Joan and Morris Cattley in N.Z.
> >
>
>
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ah.....well, in that case I will have to try the Canadian branch and
see if they will step up to the plate.
Thanks Mick,
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mick Catley" <catleym(a)netspeed.com.au>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>; <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] Fw: DNA Testing
> G'day Kayh,
>
> The short answer is "no". The structure and function of the DNA in
> the mitochondria and on the chromosomes in the nucleus of cells is
> different so that direct comparisons cannot be made. Furthermore
> even though mitochondrial DNA is passed through egg cells of the
> mother to both male and female progeny through successive
> generations, the mutation rate for mitochonrial DNA is much greater
> than for nuclear DNA. Therefore while it might be useful in some
> cases for tracking some health disorders associated with abnormal
> mitochondrial DNA over a few generations, it is not a reliable method
> to establish genealogical linkages over many generations.
>
>
> At 10:46 AM 3/12/2006, William N H Heath wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have no male Catley who wants to do the test, and as I am a female
>>Catley, I am wondering if my female results can be compared with
>>the male DNA Catley results?
>
> Regards,
>
> Mick Catley
>
>
>
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Hi all,
I have no male Catley who wants to do the test, and as I am a female
Catley, I am wondering if my female results can be compared with
the male DNA Catley results?
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glynis Brown" <glynisb(a)shaw.ca>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
Hi Tim:
If I understand correctly the sample has to be male for the DNA testing so I
might be able to persuade one of my brothers to participate and therefore
contribute for the Midsomer Norton/Welsh branch of the family. I have not
broached the subject with either of them yet but my elder sister is coming
out Canada for Christmas so I might run the idea past her and she if she
thinks they would be interested. Will get back to you.
Rgds
Glynis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
It would be ideal if some male members of the London/Essex/Herts/Cambs,
Catley lines would consider volunteering a DNA sample plus any known from
the Somerset Norton, Catley pocket.
Such representation would give a reasonable spread across the known Catley
cells.
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter & Jean Swinbank" <p-j.swinbank(a)lineone.net>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
Tim Cattley wrote:
> Well done Liz,
>
> Thanks for simplifying the DNA situation. I had already managed to get to
> grips with the fact that if one wishes to trace the male line of a Tree,
> then it is the Y-DNA factor that needs to be addressed as opposed to the
> mitochondrial DNA which is only tracable back through the female line.
>
> When I looked at the web sites offering tests, it seemed as if one had to
do
> a "self test comparison" attempting to match up gene markers from one
sample
> against another which seemed frought with errors to me and not very
> satisfactory at all.
>
> However, the idea of a closed secure site with DNA comparisons done in the
> Lab and that they will accept later sample entries and compare with those
> already contained on the site, seems to be just what we need in the long
> term.
>
> It looks to me as if the 43 marker test is the best definitive result to
go
> for and I note Chris Newalls confirmative advice in that direction.
>
> I already have confirmation from John Catley that he will volunteer his
DNA
> who represents the early North Lincolnshire Catleys back to 1700 (ish) and
I
> am quite happy to do the same for one known Catley line in the West
> Yorkshire area. That at least gives us a starter for two!
>
> So whilst we are waiting for your American Labs response, it gives other
> Listers the opportunity of confirming if they wish to participate and see
if
> we can get the numbers up?
>
> Regards and many thanks, Tim.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:39 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
>
>
> Hi All,
> In the Autumn 2006 issue of Your Family Tree magazine, there is an artical
> on DNA testing. Basically there are 2 types of testing for tracing your
> ancestors. The most favoured one is the Y-DNA which traces the male line
> back. The other is mtDNA which is passed on through the mother to both
sexes
> but can only be traced through the female line.
> As we are looking at finding the name Catley to see if we have a common
> ancestor that can link the various trees together the Y-DNA would be the
> correct path.
>
> I have sent an email to www.familytreedna.com which is based in Texas, to
> find out how many people it would need to test and of course how much it
> would cost. I will let you know the result.
> I also looked at www.dnaheritage.com both sites provide info which is
> straight forward and they offer a discount on surname projects.
>
> The more markers they test from any one persons DNA offers a better chance
> of getting an accurate reading and being able to go back further
generations
> to find the link.
>
> Familytreedna costs $149 for a 12 marker test.
> dnaheritage costs $189 for a surname project and gives the best result on
a
> 43 marker test. This is the maxamum marker test. £100, Euros 148, Can $
245,
> Aus $259. If that helps.
>
> On both lots you recieve a testing kit in the post which comprises of 2
> swabs. They are returned and tested within 3 - 5 weeks. So if you dont
know
> what you want for Xmas give this idea a thought!!!!!!!!
>
> Both sites offer your own site which can be accessed through a special
> number and is meant for Catley people only. It can also match you up with
> other families if you agree to this. As far a privacy goes and I quote
from
> the magazine Some folks worry about privacy when giving a DNA sample. If
so
> you might want to take precautions as blood from medical tests and
> donations, saliva residue from licking a stamp or sealing an envelope and
> even hair trimmings may yeild viable DNA samples. un quote.
>
> Regards
> Liz
>
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Hi all,
As I understand it, I, like Chris Newall, am not in the running for
either type of DNA testing re Cat(t)leys, since my connection is through
my paternal grandmother.
But I think it's a thoroughly good idea for those who are eligible and
can afford to do so, and I applaud their efforts.
Regards,
Peter
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Hi Joan
I pulled that down from the North Yorkshire Records office website..
I think you actually have to go there and ask to see the records. They
have just put online an 'abstract' of what is available. It would be
an interesting exercise to actually look at the personal documents they
mention...there's bound to be letters etc which would mention other family
members...Wills.
One day all these documents will be scanned and online, but not for
awhile yet I suspect. It's quite labour intensive doing the scanning.
kayh
----- Original Message -----
From: <yelttac(a)clear.net.nz>
To: <hampden(a)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Foulrise Farm
> Hi Kay This is sit on the fence Joan Cattley, my husband
> Morris is a direct descendant of Steven Cattley{Catlay} in
> other words the same family as Tim
>
> I was interested in your mail about Foulfise Farm etc.
> records. We had been taken to visit that area by the 2 Miss
> Cattleys hows family had lived there also had a look at
> Stearsby Hall where they had been bought up.
>
> My question is can one access these records over the
> internet?
>
> Best wishes Joan and Morris Cattley in N.Z.
>
----- Original Message -----
From: liz cordingley
To: liz cordingley
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: Fw: RE: Group DNA testing
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From: leahw(a)familytreedna.com
Date: 11/30/06 21:00:32
To: 'liz cordingley'
Subject: RE: Group DNA testing
Hello,
Thank you for your email. I am including information on starting a Catley Surname Project below. If you have any questions or would like to start the project please don't hesitate to contact me.
Since last names are passed down from father to son like the Y-chromosome, male Catleys will be able to participate in the project with Y-DNA tests. The Y-DNA test will look at the direct paternal line (father's father's father's....line with no input from any spouses along the way). Since only males have a Y-chromosome, the test taker must be male.
The tests provide information regarding the single origin of the direct line being tested in broad geographic terms (Asia, for example). We also compare you against our database. If there are others with similar results to you we list what they have entered for their country of origin. By way of comparison this can provide hints as to more probable countries for your own origin.
Thank you for your interest in starting a surname project! Starting a project is very easy to do, and involves no additional cost. In fact, we offer discounted test prices for the project's participants. We also send kits out internationally on a daily basis; the only difference is a $4 shipping fee rather than $2 in the US, and it can take a little longer for the mail to arrive at its destination. All of the results and tools we offer you are available online so other than having test kits sent you will not need to depend on mail in order to run your project.
Here is some information about getting a project started, including the project's discounted test pricing.
Below are full details of our Surname Projects. Currently we have over 3600 projects underway at Family Tree DNA. We receive over 100,000 visitors a month to our web site, which means and increased chance for individuals to become aware of the existence of a project with your surname and variants, and join it.
We have no project set-up fee, we offer free analysis of the results and provide comparative tools for calculating genetic distance. Family Tree DNA is backed by the Molecular Lab for Science and Evolution at the University of Arizona, one of the 5 leading Y-chromosome universities in the world. We are the only Genetic Genealogy company supported by one of these major Y-chromosome labs.
We also preserve the DNA for 25 years because we know this technology is at its infancy and if you don't preserve the DNA you can't refine a sample when someone passes on.
We also provide haplogroup information for each person which locates them on the phylogenic tree of Homo Sapiens. You can learn more about our SNP Assurance Program here: http://www.familytreedna.com/SNP_assurance.html. It is something that you will become familiar with because it is incorporated into our system.
When you are ready to start your project just send me an email with the project name, administrator name, and administrator email and I will arrange this!
Starting a Surname Project
Below are some tips and techniques for the Group Administrator to start a Surname Project, as well as project pricing.
1. Establish the project objectives
The Y-chromosome is passed from father to son unchanged, except for the occasional mutation. Testing the Y-chromosome will provide you with a genetic finger print consisting of 12, 25, 37, or 67 numbers. By comparing this finger print to others with your surname, you can determine if they are related.
The objectives of Surname Projects vary. Here are a few examples:
Identify others who are related
Prove or disprove theories regarding ancestors
Solve brick walls in your research
Determine a location for further research
Validate existing research
Often a Surname Project has multiple objectives, and the objectives may even change over the life of the project.
Most Surname Projects start with the objective to identify others who are related, and through out the project the other objectives are achieved simply as a result of the project.
2. Select 12, 25, 37 or 67 markers
The next step for your surname project is to decide whether you test 12, 25, 37 or 67 markers. 12 markers are sufficient to determine whether or not two people are genetically related. In addition, the 12-marker project price of $99 is more affordable for participants, enabling you to recruit more participants.
The value of the 25, 37 or 67 marker test occurs when two participants are likely to be related based on the 12-marker test. When participants match with the 12-marker test, the test can be upgraded to 25, 37 or 67 markers. The objective of upgrading to additional markers is to further reduce the time frame of the common ancestor between the matching participants. The common ancestor is also referred to as the Most Recent Common Ancestor, or MRCA.
Typically, participants are very interested in upgrading their 12 marker test when a match occurs. Two individuals are considered related for the 12 marker test if they match 12/12, 11/12, and sometimes with 10/12. In the first two situations, an upgrade is recommended.
3. Jump start your project
The easiest way to jump start your Surname Project, and to get others interested in participating, is to find the first two participants. Participants must be direct male descendents, since the Y-chromosome is passed from father to son. If you are a direct male descendent, you are 50% of the way to jump starting your surname project. You'll need to find just one other participant.
Most likely you have had contact with others with your surname during the course of your family history research. One course of action is to select a few of those contacts and write them a letter or email about your project, and ask them to participate as the genetic representative for their line or family.
When you get a second participant from this group you have achieved your jump start for your Surname Project, and you are ready to sign up more participants.
4. Recruiting participants
Now that you have jump started your project, recruiting participants becomes easier. You might want to revise your letter/email to include information that testing has begun with genetic representatives from two families/lines to determine if they are related. Including a brief family history of these two families/lines often stimulates interest.
Develop a list of potential participants to whom you will send an email/letter. Start with those who you have had contact with in the past regarding your family history research. Don't eliminate the females - they may have a brother or father whom they could ask to participate. Asking for help finding a genetic representative for their family is one approach that often works well.
You can find additional potential participants from searching the internet and online telephone books.
5. Getting the word out
If your surname has an association, be sure to notify the association regarding the project. Send them a brief explanation of the project that they could post on a web site or put in a newsletter. Refer them to your Family Tree DNA project website.
Post news about your project to any appropriate mailing lists and other posting sites.
6. Stake a claim with a web site
A web site is extremely helpful for a successful surname project, and may help potential participants find your project. There are many sites where you can create a web site for free, and many have tools which make it quick and easy to create a web site.
Family Tree DNA has created a cookie-cutter web site that we host for free. The site gives you an internet address for your project and will help instill confidence in your DNA project. It takes about 10 minutes to create and you need to absolutely nothing about web site to create your won surname project website.
If you create your own web site start with a simple site, telling people about the project. Once you start getting results back for the participants, you can easily add a chart and other information to the site.
7. Extra, Extra - read all about it
Once you start getting results back for participants, you now have Genetic Genealogy News for your web site, your project participants, and others interested in your surname family history. You might consider creating a short newsletter about the project and the results to date, and mail this to your list of potential participants and any one with interest in your family history. Be sure to include a paragraph with a request for participants.
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As a registered surname project at Family Tree DNA, your project will receive project pricing and a set of tools for the Group Administrator plus automatic matching notifications.
The surname project pricing is:
12 marker Y-DNA* test $99 + postage
12 to 25 Marker Upgrade $49
12 to 37 Marker Upgrade $99
12 to 67 Marker Upgrade $189
25 Marker Y-DNA* test $148 + postage
25 to 37 Marker Upgrade $49
25 to 67 Marker Upgrade $148
37 Marker Y-DNA* test $189 + postage
37 to 67 Marker Upgrade $99
67 Marker Y-DNA* test $269 + postage
*Archival storage of your DNA for 25 years is included with all of our tests.
The Group Administrator tools include access to the Surname Project at the Family Tree DNA web site, where you can easily order kits, track participants, and down load results.
Credit cards are accepted with our Verisign secure on-line order system.
Thank you for your interest in Family Tree DNA. If we can provide any additional information or answer any questions, please contact us.
Remember, DNA is the Gene in Genealogy!
Email me any time,
Leah Wark
Family Tree DNA
www.familytreedna.com
"History Unearthed Daily"
713-868-1438
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From: liz cordingley [mailto:lizcordingley@blueyonder.co.uk]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 5:01 PM
To: leahw(a)FamilyTreeDNA.com
Subject: Group DNA testing
Hi,
I belong to the Catley web site at Rootsweb. For a while we have had a discussion on whether it would benefit us to find out if the surname Catley came from one area in England and if we could be related.
Many of us have managed to trace our lineage back to the 1700's however we haven't managed to find a connection between us. The surname is concentrated around Lincolnshire, Cornwall, Yorkshire and London. We believe the surname originated in Lincolnshire about the time of the Gilbertine monks in the 1100's.
If we decided to do the DNA testing on the male lines how many people would be required to do the test and how much would it cost. Any further information would be grateful.
Yours sincerely
Liz Cordingley
Hi Tim:
If I understand correctly the sample has to be male for the DNA testing so I
might be able to persuade one of my brothers to participate and therefore
contribute for the Midsomer Norton/Welsh branch of the family. I have not
broached the subject with either of them yet but my elder sister is coming
out Canada for Christmas so I might run the idea past her and she if she
thinks they would be interested. Will get back to you.
Rgds
Glynis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
It would be ideal if some male members of the London/Essex/Herts/Cambs,
Catley lines would consider volunteering a DNA sample plus any known from
the Somerset Norton, Catley pocket.
Such representation would give a reasonable spread across the known Catley
cells.
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter & Jean Swinbank" <p-j.swinbank(a)lineone.net>
To: <catley(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2006 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
Tim Cattley wrote:
> Well done Liz,
>
> Thanks for simplifying the DNA situation. I had already managed to get to
> grips with the fact that if one wishes to trace the male line of a Tree,
> then it is the Y-DNA factor that needs to be addressed as opposed to the
> mitochondrial DNA which is only tracable back through the female line.
>
> When I looked at the web sites offering tests, it seemed as if one had to
do
> a "self test comparison" attempting to match up gene markers from one
sample
> against another which seemed frought with errors to me and not very
> satisfactory at all.
>
> However, the idea of a closed secure site with DNA comparisons done in the
> Lab and that they will accept later sample entries and compare with those
> already contained on the site, seems to be just what we need in the long
> term.
>
> It looks to me as if the 43 marker test is the best definitive result to
go
> for and I note Chris Newalls confirmative advice in that direction.
>
> I already have confirmation from John Catley that he will volunteer his
DNA
> who represents the early North Lincolnshire Catleys back to 1700 (ish) and
I
> am quite happy to do the same for one known Catley line in the West
> Yorkshire area. That at least gives us a starter for two!
>
> So whilst we are waiting for your American Labs response, it gives other
> Listers the opportunity of confirming if they wish to participate and see
if
> we can get the numbers up?
>
> Regards and many thanks, Tim.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:39 PM
> Subject: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
>
>
> Hi All,
> In the Autumn 2006 issue of Your Family Tree magazine, there is an artical
> on DNA testing. Basically there are 2 types of testing for tracing your
> ancestors. The most favoured one is the Y-DNA which traces the male line
> back. The other is mtDNA which is passed on through the mother to both
sexes
> but can only be traced through the female line.
> As we are looking at finding the name Catley to see if we have a common
> ancestor that can link the various trees together the Y-DNA would be the
> correct path.
>
> I have sent an email to www.familytreedna.com which is based in Texas, to
> find out how many people it would need to test and of course how much it
> would cost. I will let you know the result.
> I also looked at www.dnaheritage.com both sites provide info which is
> straight forward and they offer a discount on surname projects.
>
> The more markers they test from any one persons DNA offers a better chance
> of getting an accurate reading and being able to go back further
generations
> to find the link.
>
> Familytreedna costs $149 for a 12 marker test.
> dnaheritage costs $189 for a surname project and gives the best result on
a
> 43 marker test. This is the maxamum marker test. £100, Euros 148, Can $
245,
> Aus $259. If that helps.
>
> On both lots you recieve a testing kit in the post which comprises of 2
> swabs. They are returned and tested within 3 - 5 weeks. So if you dont
know
> what you want for Xmas give this idea a thought!!!!!!!!
>
> Both sites offer your own site which can be accessed through a special
> number and is meant for Catley people only. It can also match you up with
> other families if you agree to this. As far a privacy goes and I quote
from
> the magazine Some folks worry about privacy when giving a DNA sample. If
so
> you might want to take precautions as blood from medical tests and
> donations, saliva residue from licking a stamp or sealing an envelope and
> even hair trimmings may yeild viable DNA samples. un quote.
>
> Regards
> Liz
>
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Hi all,
As I understand it, I, like Chris Newall, am not in the running for
either type of DNA testing re Cat(t)leys, since my connection is through
my paternal grandmother.
But I think it's a thoroughly good idea for those who are eligible and
can afford to do so, and I applaud their efforts.
Regards,
Peter
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Well done Liz,
Thanks for simplifying the DNA situation. I had already managed to get to
grips with the fact that if one wishes to trace the male line of a Tree,
then it is the Y-DNA factor that needs to be addressed as opposed to the
mitochondrial DNA which is only tracable back through the female line.
When I looked at the web sites offering tests, it seemed as if one had to do
a "self test comparison" attempting to match up gene markers from one sample
against another which seemed frought with errors to me and not very
satisfactory at all.
However, the idea of a closed secure site with DNA comparisons done in the
Lab and that they will accept later sample entries and compare with those
already contained on the site, seems to be just what we need in the long
term.
It looks to me as if the 43 marker test is the best definitive result to go
for and I note Chris Newalls confirmative advice in that direction.
I already have confirmation from John Catley that he will volunteer his DNA
who represents the early North Lincolnshire Catleys back to 1700 (ish) and I
am quite happy to do the same for one known Catley line in the West
Yorkshire area. That at least gives us a starter for two!
So whilst we are waiting for your American Labs response, it gives other
Listers the opportunity of confirming if they wish to participate and see if
we can get the numbers up?
Regards and many thanks, Tim.
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: "catley" <CATLEY(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2006 11:39 PM
Subject: [CATLEY] DNA Testing
Hi All,
In the Autumn 2006 issue of Your Family Tree magazine, there is an artical
on DNA testing. Basically there are 2 types of testing for tracing your
ancestors. The most favoured one is the Y-DNA which traces the male line
back. The other is mtDNA which is passed on through the mother to both sexes
but can only be traced through the female line.
As we are looking at finding the name Catley to see if we have a common
ancestor that can link the various trees together the Y-DNA would be the
correct path.
I have sent an email to www.familytreedna.com which is based in Texas, to
find out how many people it would need to test and of course how much it
would cost. I will let you know the result.
I also looked at www.dnaheritage.com both sites provide info which is
straight forward and they offer a discount on surname projects.
The more markers they test from any one persons DNA offers a better chance
of getting an accurate reading and being able to go back further generations
to find the link.
Familytreedna costs $149 for a 12 marker test.
dnaheritage costs $189 for a surname project and gives the best result on a
43 marker test. This is the maxamum marker test. £100, Euros 148, Can $ 245,
Aus $259. If that helps.
On both lots you recieve a testing kit in the post which comprises of 2
swabs. They are returned and tested within 3 - 5 weeks. So if you dont know
what you want for Xmas give this idea a thought!!!!!!!!
Both sites offer your own site which can be accessed through a special
number and is meant for Catley people only. It can also match you up with
other families if you agree to this. As far a privacy goes and I quote from
the magazine Some folks worry about privacy when giving a DNA sample. If so
you might want to take precautions as blood from medical tests and
donations, saliva residue from licking a stamp or sealing an envelope and
even hair trimmings may yeild viable DNA samples. un quote.
Regards
Liz
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