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I have downloaded copies of the wills of:
George Catley, victualler of Barkway. Probate 21 Apr 1847 and
Mary Catley, widow of Westmill, Herts. Probate 30 Aug 1847.
Both wills contain references to my line of Catleys from Herts. George
Catley's will refers to his late uncle, Charles Catley of Aspeden (and wife
Mary), whose will is listed in Erica's list.
I had difficulty in reading some words in the wills. If anyone is
interested in details please contact me off list.
At 06:37 PM 17/05/03 +0800, Erica Hills wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>These the CATLEY wills I located at
>http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ They are all one or two pages
>unless stated otherwise.
>
>Cheers....... Erica
>
>~
>
>
>
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> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
>
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Regards
Mick Catley
Well done Erica,
I will incorporate the details in the Catley Database in due course.
Chris
>Hi Everyone,
>
>You may well know about this, but I have just discovered that pre-1858
>wills are now available online. It costs nothing to search for a
>will and if you want to obtain a copy, you pay UKP3 on a credit card
>for each will that you want and then you download it in Adobe Acrobat
>format right then and there. Don't forget to click on the disc icon in
>Acrobat and save your file for each download. Except for those
>Wills which are only one or two pages most are pretty hefty files of
>around 1kb each, so sharing might not be all that practical because of
>upload and download time.
>Beware - the big ones are also slow to download, so make sure that you
>have all the pages before you save the document and exit from the PRO
>site. The address is :
>
>http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/
>
>I have spent a few of my poor long-suffering husband's pounds / dollars
>today and will now spend the next few hours going bog-eyed trying to
>read the results. At least the exchange rate is not as bad as it was.
>
>I have taken a listing of the CATLEY and CATTLEY listings and will post
>them as two separate emails - there are 12 of each - remember these are
>all before 1858. Later ones are not online -- yet -- says she with
>crossed fingers !!
>
>Cheers........ Erica
--
Chris Newall EMail : chris(a)rebus.demon.co.uk
Ealing, London, W5 Website: http://www.rebus.demon.co.uk/
Erica,
How about us all listing a Roll as in A Roll of Honour for all Cat*leys
known to have served in major conflicts?
The obvious suggestions are WW1 and WW2 but who knows, there may be
indications of Boer War or even earlier service such as Indian Army and
Crimea.
This could be split between those who survived whatever campaigns and those
who were killed.
It could provide additional info which could be useful.
I trust that all of you using Ericas Rootsweb are quite satisfied that you
know all there is to know about your ancestors who entered Military Service
and if they died, that are you aware of the circumstances?
I have spent some time on this subject and far from finding it morbid, got
great information as to recruitment and training and active service. In my
case I chose one of my ancestors who was known to have served in the Crimean
War, another in WW1 and a third in WW2. Was amazed to discover just how
much is still on record re Crimea and WW2 although sadly, WW1 records have
been "weeded" over the years but still, basic info is available.
What do you all think?
Cheers Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Erica Hills <erica(a)hillsperth.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 11:28 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Wills available Online
> Hi Everyone,
>
> You may well know about this, but I have just discovered that pre-1858
> wills are now available online. It costs nothing to search for a will
> and if you want to obtain a copy, you pay UKP3 on a credit card for each
> will that you want and then you download it in Adobe Acrobat format right
> then and there. Don't forget to click on the disc icon in Acrobat and
save
> your file for each download. Except for those Wills which are only one
> or two pages most are pretty hefty files of around 1kb each, so sharing
> might not be all that practical because of upload and download time.
> Beware - the big ones are also slow to download, so make sure that you
have
> all the pages before you save the document and exit from the PRO
> site. The address is :
>
> http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/
>
> I have spent a few of my poor long-suffering husband's pounds / dollars
> today and will now spend the next few hours going bog-eyed trying to read
> the results. At least the exchange rate is not as bad as it was.
>
> I have taken a listing of the CATLEY and CATTLEY listings and will post
> them as two separate emails - there are 12 of each - remember these are
all
> before 1858. Later ones are not online -- yet -- says she with crossed
> fingers !!
>
> Cheers........ Erica
>
> -
> mailto:erica@hillsperth.com
>
>
>
> ==== CATLEY Mailing List ====
> See our CAT(T)LEY One-Name pages at :
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
go to:
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
>
Fine business Erica re Cattley Wills,
I note from cross checking that all of them refer to members of my (our!)
Tree.
Would have hoped to have seen some that represent other Cattley pedigrees
rather than our own but then I posess probate records for 98 members of our
Tree for the period 1853-1939. Thus I can add those you have found pre 1853
to the tally.
I note that Mick Catley in Colchester had gathered quite a big clump of our
Will records that he posted on his origional web pages and that they were
extracted by one Alan Longbottom who did a probate study. I have long and
often wondered just why Longbottom decided to do a study on our families
wills. What was his purpose I wonder?
I think he was working at Leeds University at the time. Mick could not give
me a reason why Longbottom had "singled out" my Cattleys wills. Maybe it was
because all the Cattley refrences only concerned my Tree?
Would be interested to know what Longbottoms research interest was, do you,
or anybody else know?
Regards Tim.
----- Original Message -----
From: Erica Hills <erica(a)hillsperth.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 11:34 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] CATTLEY wills
> Hi All,
>
> These are the CATTLEY wills I found at
> http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/. They are one or two pages unless
> stated otherwise.
>
> Cheers..... Erica
>
>
> Description Date Catalogue ref. Details
> Will of Ann Isabella Cattley , Widow of Brunswick Place Brighton , Sussex
> 09 March 1835 PROB 11/1844 View Details - 6 pages (wife of Stephen of
> Camberwell 15522)
>
> Will of Mary Arethusa Cattley 16 October 1834 PROB 11/1837 View Details
> (Widow of Stephen of Clapham 15543)
>
> Will of John Cattley of Barnet , Hertfordshire 13 May 1830 PROB 11/1771
> View Details = 5 pages 15542
>
> Will of Richard Cattley , Gentleman of Marygate York , Yorkshire 11
October
> 1819 PROB 11/1621 View Details = 5 pages 15524
>
> Will of Stephen Cattley of Camberwell , Surrey 21 February 1821 PROB
> 11/1639 View Details
>
> Will of Ellen Cattley , Widow of Clapham , Surrey 06 July 1853 PROB
11/2175
> View Details (nee Toulmin - widow of Stephen Wildman 155231)
>
> Will of Henry Beaumont Cattley , Proctor of Doctors Commons London,
> Gentleman of No 3 Old Lueber Street Marylebone , Middlesex 02 October 1854
> PROB 11/2198 View Details
>
> Will of Harriet Emma Cattley , Wife of Kings Lynn , Norfolk 30 May 1855
> PROB 11/2211 View Details = 3 pp (Wife of Rev. Richard Cattley of
> Worcester 1552413)
>
> Will of Stephen Cattley of Clapham , Surrey 26 March 1824 PROB 11/1682
View
> Details = 3 pages
>
> Will of Thomas Cattley of Clapham , Surrey 17 March 1824 PROB 11/1682 View
> Details = 4 pages
>
> Will of Stephen Wildman Cattley of Stockwell , Surrey 07 October 1850 PROB
> 11/2120 View Details
>
> Will of Stephen Cattley of Kippax , Yorkshire 16 January 1798 PROB 11/1300
> View Details = 4 pages
>
> To see more documents try running a fuzzy search. (might be worth a try
but
> I think I got them all)
> --End--
>
> -
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>
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>
Hi Everyone,
These the CATLEY wills I located at
http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ They are all one or two pages
unless stated otherwise.
Cheers....... Erica
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Will of John Catley , Stable Keeper of Grays Inn Lane , Middlesex 31
January 1772 PROB 11/974 View Details
Will of Joseph Catley or Catly of Gray's Inn Lane , Middlesex 11 July 1788
PROB 11/1167 View Details
Will of Edmund Catley , Yeoman of Spitalfields , Middlesex 27 September
1796 PROB 11/1279 View Details = 3 pages
Will of Hannah Catley of Throcking , Hertfordshire 09 January 1800 PROB
11/1335 View Details
Will of James Catley , Gentleman of Midsomer Norton , Somerset 21 March
1831 PROB 11/1782 View Details = 3pages
Will of Charles Catley , Yeoman of Aspeden , Hertfordshire 21 May 1824 PROB
11/1685 View Details = 4 pages
Will of John Catley , Journeyman Baker of Bethnal Green , Middlesex 31
August 1821 PROB 11/1646 View Details
Will of George Catley , Victualler of Barkway , Hertfordshire 21 April 1847
PROB 11/2054 View Details
Will of Mary Catley , Widow of Westmill , Hertfordshire 30 August 1847 PROB
11/2060 View Details = 3pages
Will of Susan Catley , Spinster of Clifton , Gloucestershire 25 July 1844
PROB 11/2001 View Details = 3 pages
Will of William Catley of Cambridge , Cambridgeshire 17 June 1843 PROB
11/1980 View Details = 6 pages
Will of John Catley , late Porter of Jesus College in the University of
Cambridge and now Yeoman of Great Chesterford , Essex 17 January 1844 PROB
11/1991 View Details
--End--
-
mailto:erica@hillsperth.com
Hi All,
These are the CATTLEY wills I found at
http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/. They are one or two pages unless
stated otherwise.
Cheers..... Erica
Description Date Catalogue ref. Details
Will of Ann Isabella Cattley , Widow of Brunswick Place Brighton , Sussex
09 March 1835 PROB 11/1844 View Details - 6 pages (wife of Stephen of
Camberwell 15522)
Will of Mary Arethusa Cattley 16 October 1834 PROB 11/1837 View Details
(Widow of Stephen of Clapham 15543)
Will of John Cattley of Barnet , Hertfordshire 13 May 1830 PROB 11/1771
View Details = 5 pages 15542
Will of Richard Cattley , Gentleman of Marygate York , Yorkshire 11 October
1819 PROB 11/1621 View Details = 5 pages 15524
Will of Stephen Cattley of Camberwell , Surrey 21 February 1821 PROB
11/1639 View Details
Will of Ellen Cattley , Widow of Clapham , Surrey 06 July 1853 PROB 11/2175
View Details (nee Toulmin - widow of Stephen Wildman 155231)
Will of Henry Beaumont Cattley , Proctor of Doctors Commons London,
Gentleman of No 3 Old Lueber Street Marylebone , Middlesex 02 October 1854
PROB 11/2198 View Details
Will of Harriet Emma Cattley , Wife of Kings Lynn , Norfolk 30 May 1855
PROB 11/2211 View Details = 3 pp (Wife of Rev. Richard Cattley of
Worcester 1552413)
Will of Stephen Cattley of Clapham , Surrey 26 March 1824 PROB 11/1682 View
Details = 3 pages
Will of Thomas Cattley of Clapham , Surrey 17 March 1824 PROB 11/1682 View
Details = 4 pages
Will of Stephen Wildman Cattley of Stockwell , Surrey 07 October 1850 PROB
11/2120 View Details
Will of Stephen Cattley of Kippax , Yorkshire 16 January 1798 PROB 11/1300
View Details = 4 pages
To see more documents try running a fuzzy search. (might be worth a try but
I think I got them all)
--End--
-
mailto:erica@hillsperth.com
Hi Everyone,
You may well know about this, but I have just discovered that pre-1858
wills are now available online. It costs nothing to search for a will
and if you want to obtain a copy, you pay UKP3 on a credit card for each
will that you want and then you download it in Adobe Acrobat format right
then and there. Don't forget to click on the disc icon in Acrobat and save
your file for each download. Except for those Wills which are only one
or two pages most are pretty hefty files of around 1kb each, so sharing
might not be all that practical because of upload and download time.
Beware - the big ones are also slow to download, so make sure that you have
all the pages before you save the document and exit from the PRO
site. The address is :
http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/
I have spent a few of my poor long-suffering husband's pounds / dollars
today and will now spend the next few hours going bog-eyed trying to read
the results. At least the exchange rate is not as bad as it was.
I have taken a listing of the CATLEY and CATTLEY listings and will post
them as two separate emails - there are 12 of each - remember these are all
before 1858. Later ones are not online -- yet -- says she with crossed
fingers !!
Cheers........ Erica
-
mailto:erica@hillsperth.com
I would say that there is every chance that your spelling belongs with us
Celia.
Have just looked up the early entries in my Essex,Hertfordshire and
Cambridgeshire lists and note the following "additional" spellings:-
Katly, Kateley, Kattly, Catly, Cattly, Catlie, Cately. All are surely
phonetic variations just as Cateley must be?
My own hunch is that possibly all stem from one root word but that the
variations are due to either individual writers (or recorders) own phonetic
interpretation or, just maybe, reflect the local dialect concerned. To
support this theory I submit my own Tree where my earliest known ancestor is
entered as Stevan Catlay which I rather fancy represents how the name
Cat*ley is still pronounced in the County of Yorkshire.
There are however a few quirks that I have trouble accepting eg a Catley
family from the Leeds area of the UK who emigrated to America in the 1860's
to start work in the Pennsylvania coal fields. Seemingly they were entered
as Cattley upon emigration disembarkation in the USA. This sounds very odd
to me as I have never ever heard of the Catley name being mis spelt by the
addition of an extra "t". As a Cattley myself I find that the only mis
spelling by others that takes place is the dropping of a "t" into Catley.
Regards Tim----- Original Message -----
From: Celia Bloor <cvb(a)netcentral.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Cateley
> I'm still not sure whether my Cateleys belong with your Cat*leys. The LDS
> list them separately with Kateleys (and see below).
> But I have just found a few details and there might have been a change in
> spelling farther back.
>
> 1881 census Johns Rd St Marys extra Southampton
> John Cateley age 53 builder b. London Horton Middx
> wife Eizabeth age 53 b. Scotland
> Catherine age 24 S b Southampton
> John Alexander Cateley age 20 Carpenter b. Southampton
>
> 1901 St Mary Extra Southampton
> John Cately 72 b Godstone Surrey Builder of Houses
> John Cately 39 b Southampton Carpenter this is John Alexander
> Harriet Cately 39 b Woolston Hants
> Harriet Cately 15 b "
> John Cately 14 b " this is John Alexander Robert
> Claude Cately b "
> also Ameilize Cately 47 b Leyton Essex
>
> the birthplace of John senior is not consistent. There are several
families
> of Kateleys in the Godstone area.
>
> John Alexander Cateley m. Harriet Catherine Scutt pre 1887 Southampton
area
> parents of:
> John Alexander Robert Cateley worked on the liners b. 24/1/1887 Woolston
> Southampton, m.Amy Sophia Penndia Simpson
> parents of:
> Leonard Cecil Alexander Cateley purser/ steward, Merchant and RN, b.
> 6/2/1911 prob. Southampton, m. Vera Myrtle Harris on 17/8/1935, went to
Cape
> town, now both dead. Parents of one son, one daughter still in S.Africa I
am
> attempting to contact them. I now have their addresses.
>
>
> ==== CATLEY Mailing List ====
> See our CAT(T)LEY One-Name pages at :
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
>
> ==============================
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>
Dear Celia,
I suspect by your email address you are in the UK, but you might be
interested in knowing that there is a branch of my NZ Catley family who
changed the spelling of their name to Cateley about 1900-1910.
Regards
Jocelyn Prvanov
----- Original Message -----
From: "Celia Bloor" <cvb(a)netcentral.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2003 8:28 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Cateley
> I'm still not sure whether my Cateleys belong with your Cat*leys. The LDS
> list them separately with Kateleys (and see below).
> But I have just found a few details and there might have been a change in
> spelling farther back.
>
> 1881 census Johns Rd St Marys extra Southampton
> John Cateley age 53 builder b. London Horton Middx
> wife Eizabeth age 53 b. Scotland
> Catherine age 24 S b Southampton
> John Alexander Cateley age 20 Carpenter b. Southampton
>
> 1901 St Mary Extra Southampton
> John Cately 72 b Godstone Surrey Builder of Houses
> John Cately 39 b Southampton Carpenter this is John Alexander
> Harriet Cately 39 b Woolston Hants
> Harriet Cately 15 b "
> John Cately 14 b " this is John Alexander Robert
> Claude Cately b "
> also Ameilize Cately 47 b Leyton Essex
>
> the birthplace of John senior is not consistent. There are several
families
> of Kateleys in the Godstone area.
>
> John Alexander Cateley m. Harriet Catherine Scutt pre 1887 Southampton
area
> parents of:
> John Alexander Robert Cateley worked on the liners b. 24/1/1887 Woolston
> Southampton, m.Amy Sophia Penndia Simpson
> parents of:
> Leonard Cecil Alexander Cateley purser/ steward, Merchant and RN, b.
> 6/2/1911 prob. Southampton, m. Vera Myrtle Harris on 17/8/1935, went to
Cape
> town, now both dead. Parents of one son, one daughter still in S.Africa I
am
> attempting to contact them. I now have their addresses.
>
>
> ==== CATLEY Mailing List ====
> See our CAT(T)LEY One-Name pages at :
> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
>
> ==============================
> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records,
go to:
> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237
>
I'm still not sure whether my Cateleys belong with your Cat*leys. The LDS
list them separately with Kateleys (and see below).
But I have just found a few details and there might have been a change in
spelling farther back.
1881 census Johns Rd St Marys extra Southampton
John Cateley age 53 builder b. London Horton Middx
wife Eizabeth age 53 b. Scotland
Catherine age 24 S b Southampton
John Alexander Cateley age 20 Carpenter b. Southampton
1901 St Mary Extra Southampton
John Cately 72 b Godstone Surrey Builder of Houses
John Cately 39 b Southampton Carpenter this is John Alexander
Harriet Cately 39 b Woolston Hants
Harriet Cately 15 b "
John Cately 14 b " this is John Alexander Robert
Claude Cately b "
also Ameilize Cately 47 b Leyton Essex
the birthplace of John senior is not consistent. There are several families
of Kateleys in the Godstone area.
John Alexander Cateley m. Harriet Catherine Scutt pre 1887 Southampton area
parents of:
John Alexander Robert Cateley worked on the liners b. 24/1/1887 Woolston
Southampton, m.Amy Sophia Penndia Simpson
parents of:
Leonard Cecil Alexander Cateley purser/ steward, Merchant and RN, b.
6/2/1911 prob. Southampton, m. Vera Myrtle Harris on 17/8/1935, went to Cape
town, now both dead. Parents of one son, one daughter still in S.Africa I am
attempting to contact them. I now have their addresses.
Hi Everyone,
Here is another gem from my Personal mailing list.
Cheers....... E
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Source: BERKSHIRE-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [BRK] HARRISON, ATTWOOD, PATTEN-GLASS l925
Following article printed in Reading Mercury 11 April l925:
Reading Borough Bench
Friday April 3rd 1925
Before J. CATLEY Esq., and S. HAYWARD Esq.
John Samuel HARRISON of "The Maze", Earley Hill Road; George F.
ATTWOOD, of 70 Albert Road, Caversham and Hugh T. PATTEN-GLASS of l4
Russell Street, Reading were each fined £1 for allowing motor cars to
remain in the street longer than necessary.
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mailto:erica@hillsperth.com
Sorry I have not been watching this list this week.
I have been out of sorts.
It was St Dunstan in the West where I found that birth record and was NOT the
IGI I was working with. This was a film I was reading on the Parish Records
and not the Bishops Transcripts and I did post the Film # with the posting to
this web site.
This area of London at the time of the 1600's was a place for doing business
and townhouses of Iron Mongers, Iron works owners, merchants doing business
with the products of Iron, and Drapers. I am working on Sir John Harvey
appointed Gov to Virginia in 1623 by the King after he had been sent by the
King to investigate the 2nd James City and its problems and Knighted for this
service.
I found no other Catley references for 50 years around the birth I had found
and the father was listed as Pastor so I would hazard a guess he had come to
this Parish from another one to be the Pastor at St Dunstans in the West.
I will be also looking at the St. Dunstan, Stepney also for the Harvey family
there too so will keep and eye out for any Catley's there. I will be Looking
at film of the Parish records not the Transcripts. These parish records are
extremly hard to read because of the deteroation of the paper. So it takes a
bit to look thru. It took 3 days reading these hard things. The LDS have not
extracted any records for the St. Dunstan in the West and only partial for
the St. Dunstan, Stepheny.
Will let you know if I find any one else.
CANDIS
Hi Tim and everyone,
ok I am sure I didn't make myself clear, that's normal for me. So I will
start again. I also got another cert through today so it needs to be added.
Death cert. Emma Catley(nee Day) wife of Thomas Oliver Catley died on
4/2/1893 at St. Saviour Union Infirmary of Phthisis (TB to you and me) They
lived at 18 Tiverton St. Newington.
Henry George was the son of Thomas Oliver and Emma Day. He was born Mar Q
1874 ( I need to get his birth cert to find out the name he was registered
as) The marriage cert I have states Henry George Catley age 23 married
Elizabeth Watts on 17/1/1897. (so the age fits) his father was Thomas
Holloway Catley. Thomas Holloway and Thomas Oliver where both Fishmongers.
On the 1901 census it states Henry George (Fish Hawker) living with wife
Elizabeth daughter Elizabeth Jane age 4 born Peckham, Charles Henry age 2
born Lambeth, Emma Alexandra age 1m born Southwark and Sidney age 22 born
Southwark. I am waiting for the birth cert of Emma Alexandra which should
confirm the maiden name of the mother, then I will be able to link together
or not as the case maybe. Thomas Zais is the same Thomas that married Alice
Elizabeth Watson. On the 1881 census this has caused a bit of confusion in
that Charles Alexander was named as Charles Ocads, and that he and his twin
brother Sidney and Ernest where born at St. Georges Warwick when in fact
they where not. (This I can confirm) So where did the Ocads and Zais come
from, is it Latin?
To try and track down who Zacchaues Catley was and where he came from, I
have done a map and marked all the addresses I have from the records I am
collecting, they are all in the same area in fact spitting distant. This way
I should be able to put the years down for the address then I can figure out
which census area I need to find him. Watch this space!!
Tim if I still haven't made this clear I'm sorry, but let me know.
Liz
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Cattley <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:35 PM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Catley's
> Hello Liz,
>
> Congrats on your new information re Zacchaues Catley of Newington (Tree)
but
> as usual (grin) it almost poses as many new questions as it answers old
ones
> but then that's genealogy for you!
>
> I have added Edna May b 1906 and Sydney b 1905 as the issue of Ernest
Catley
> and Mary Jane nee Williams to my records but do I take it that the Thomas
> Catley, son of Thomas Oliver Catley is infact the Thomas Zais Catley b
1873
> that you gave me in your previous correspondence? I assume this is who
you
> are referring to but you do not make it clear .....please confirm.
>
> I think you are basing your assumption that Thomas Holloway C. could be
> Thomas Oliver C. on the basis that you know that Thomas Oliver had a child
> named Sidney and also another named Henry. You now know that Thomas
Holloway
> C had a son Henry George and from the 1901 census you know that Henry
George
> (plus wife Elizabeth) had-his brother Sidney staying with them.
>
> It "seems to fit" but you only gave me Henry and not Henry George as the
son
> of Thomas Oliver origionally which makes me wonder. Also Holloway as a 2nd
> christian name suggests that possibly this was his mothers maiden name
thus
> I would be very hesitant about assuming anything until you get proof one
way
> or the other.
>
> I think it would be more prudent at present to listThomas Holloway Catley
> and his son Henry George Catley plus and Henrys wife Elizabeth as a
seperate
> Tree until you can confirm or deny your theory.
>
> Regards Tim Cattley.---- Original Message -----
> From: liz cordingley <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:35 AM
> Subject: [CAT*LEY] Catley's
>
>
> > Hi everybody,
> > I have just recieved to marriage certs. today.
> > Thomas Catley son of Thomas Oliver Catley married Alice Elizabeth Watson
> at St. Pauls Church, Newington on 18/4/1897. Her father was William
Watson.
> > The other cert is a puzzle maybe somebody could help.
> > Henry George Catley son of Thomas Holloway Catley married Elizabeth
Watts
> at Camberwell. Thomas Holloway was a fishmonger. The problem is could
Thomas
> Holloway be Thomas Oliver. His profession is the same the ages are the
same.
> On the 1901 census it has Henry George married to Elizabeth and staying
with
> them was Sidney, Henry's brother which fits in with my family. Sidney was
> deaf. On 1891 census Sidney lived with his mother Emma, she died I believe
> in 1893 and this could have been the reason for Sidney living with his
> brother.
> > Any ideas or thoughts on this would be gratefully received.
> > Tim do you want to add these 2 on the list.
> > Thanks
> > Liz
> >
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Hi everybody,
I have just recieved to marriage certs. today.
Thomas Catley son of Thomas Oliver Catley married Alice Elizabeth Watson at St. Pauls Church, Newington on 18/4/1897. Her father was William Watson.
The other cert is a puzzle maybe somebody could help.
Henry George Catley son of Thomas Holloway Catley married Elizabeth Watts at Camberwell. Thomas Holloway was a fishmonger. The problem is could Thomas Holloway be Thomas Oliver. His profession is the same the ages are the same. On the 1901 census it has Henry George married to Elizabeth and staying with them was Sidney, Henry's brother which fits in with my family. Sidney was deaf. On 1891 census Sidney lived with his mother Emma, she died I believe in 1893 and this could have been the reason for Sidney living with his brother.
Any ideas or thoughts on this would be gratefully received.
Tim do you want to add these 2 on the list.
Thanks
Liz
Hi everyone,
Just thought I would share some good news with you all. As most of you know I am helping my stepdad with his Catley family. So far I have some family from the Southwark area and some from Merthyr Tidfyl.
I sat down with John and made him remember as much as he could about his childhood to try and sort a few things out. He remembered when visiting in Wales which is where his father Cyril was born a cousin called Robin who's father Alfie started up his own business Merthyr Plating Co. I took pot luck and entered it on the search site and low and behold the company still exists. I wrote a letter explaining about the family research and received an email yesterday from Robin eager to get in touch with John (whose real name is Gwyn) They hadn't seen each other for 50 years!! Robin has also been doing his family tree but his family is on John's grandmothers side Roberts. Any way they spoke on the phone tonight and Robin has a lot of letters from Cyril to his dad that he would like John to have. Hopefully I should find out a bit more about the Catley family in Wales.
Talk to you all soon
Liz
Hi there Tim and everyone else...,
I see your point, Tim, in using John Catley of Hackney, verses Zachariah of
Hackney.
But maybe it raises an issue which needs to be clarified by us as a group,
or by some genealogical protocol. Should we be listing the location (and
then name) of the line we are researching based on evidence of
birth/christening location, or evidence of living location (by association
of birth/christenings of children) ? I also realise that if we want to trace
backwards we have to give some pointers to others too and the latter option
in the last sentence allows for this, although some (right or wrong)
assumptions have to be made .... For me there's proof Zach was born in
Hackney. His father John lived in Hackney at the time of Zac's christening
but to date I have no proof of John's birthplace.
I personally have no opinion on which method is best or right but there may
not be a consistent train of thought on this within the group.
Regards
Jocelyn
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] NZ Catley line
> OK Jocelyn,
> The Ann (without an "e") was an error, my mistake (sorry Anne!) but the
> refrence to John Catley was deliberate as I assumed that you both would be
> attempting to get the details of that person who you indicate to be
> Zacharias father ie John Catley.
>
> However, it seems that you wish your "Tree" to be labeled as Zachariah
> Catley. So be it.
>
> Regards Tim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:04 AM
> Subject: [CAT*LEY] NZ Catley line
>
>
> > Hi there Tim,
> > Thanks for all your good work coordinating everyone's research. Its
> amazing
> > where people are coming out of the woodwork from.
> >
> > I just wanted to point out that in your email of the 22/4/03 listing the
> > researchers/line that Anne (i.e. with an 'e') and I are following the
line
> > of Zachariah Catley of Hackney, not John Catley.
> > Regards
> > Jocelyn
> >
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OK Jocelyn,
The Ann (without an "e") was an error, my mistake (sorry Anne!) but the
refrence to John Catley was deliberate as I assumed that you both would be
attempting to get the details of that person who you indicate to be
Zacharias father ie John Catley.
However, it seems that you wish your "Tree" to be labeled as Zachariah
Catley. So be it.
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Bert and Jocelyn Prvanov <prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 1:04 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] NZ Catley line
> Hi there Tim,
> Thanks for all your good work coordinating everyone's research. Its
amazing
> where people are coming out of the woodwork from.
>
> I just wanted to point out that in your email of the 22/4/03 listing the
> researchers/line that Anne (i.e. with an 'e') and I are following the line
> of Zachariah Catley of Hackney, not John Catley.
> Regards
> Jocelyn
>
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Hi Alan,
We meet again I think! Take it you are who I think you are out in
Vancouver!?
If so, nice to have you "on board" the Cat*ley Rootsweb list and especially
good to see that you are taking an interest in Cat*ley genealogy. As I did
not get a further response to private correspondence, I am delighted to see
you getting involved in an overall sense.
Best wishes Tim
P.S. My nephew in Vancouver has recently joined the Police out there.
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan and Linda Cattley <thecat(a)shaw.ca>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:45 PM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] researching in
Salt Lake
> Hi, My family originated from the Camberwell Area, I was born in
Camberwell
> Hospital in 1946. My only knowledge of the family is my Great Grandfather
> Issac...
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "liz cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 02, 2003 1:12 AM
> Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] researching in Salt Lake
>
>
> > Hi Candice,
> > Not sure if this will help but I was looking at an old map and found 2
St.
> > Dunstans. One was at Stepney, the other Acton. Map dated 1898/1899.
> Stepney
> > is very close to where some of my ancestors lived. Does anybody have
> claims
> > for Catleys in Clerkenwell, Camberwell, Southwark, Kennington. It
appears
> > mine moved around that area quite a bit.
> > Thanks
> > Liz
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Tim Cattley <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 11:19 PM
> > Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] researching in Salt Lake
> >
> >
> > > Hi Candice
> > > Thanks for the information, an interesting snippit. I am not sure
which
> > > Parish of St. Dunston but there can surely be only one of them in West
> > > London at that time?
> > >
> > > All this rather tends to confirm that which I had suspected in that
> there
> > > were few early Cat*leys in the London area at that time although I
have
> > seen
> > > Mormon lists indicating the presence of Cat*leys in the County of
Essex
> > > (adjacent to London, to the North East) in the late 1500's.
> > >
> > > We know, do we not, that members of your Hertfordshire Cat*ley
pedigree
> > > moved down into London at a later date as did members of mine (ex
> > Yorkshire)
> > > and they arrived there in the late 1600's/early 1700's and so it
rather
> > > proves that "other Cat*leys were there before".
> > >
> > > No doubt if you have the time to revisit Salt Lake, you will do a
search
> > on
> > > Hertfordshire?
> > >
> > > Regards Tim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <CSan104681(a)cs.com>
> > > To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:17 AM
> > > Subject: [CAT*LEY] researching in Salt Lake
> > >
> > >
> > > > In researching in Salt Lake last week I came across this:
> > > > St. Dunstan in the West, London, London, England
> > > > FHL Call #396193
> > > > George the Sonne of George Catley Pastor Baptized 7 Mar 1602
> > > >
> > > > There were no other Catley's in the Parish Rec's for 20 years before
> and
> > > 25
> > > > years after. I wasn't even working on this line. Hope this helps
> > someone.
> > > > Candis Lee Cattley-Sanders
> > > >
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Dear Patty,
I prefer to be called Tim as I told you before. As to "what I am looking
for" I would have thought it obvious seeing as you well know that you and
self belong to the same Tree which is intact research-wise back to 1609 cum
1590. As such we are very lucky that we have active members such as
yourself,Erica, Grahame also in Aussie, plus Morris and Joan in NZ and
Kenneth Cattley in Brazil not to mention Robert in Mass. USA and myself here
in the UK.
You call our Brazilian branch humble and Brazilian. This they may be but
they have never forgotten their English ancestory which only goes back to
Kenneths grandfather Mark Oswald Cattley who went out to Brazil circa
1910/11. Infact he was born in St Petersburg Russia, educated at Repton
(English Public School) and took up employment in the Coffee trade in
Brazil.
Certainly the family felt strongly enough for Marks son (Kenneths father) to
volunteer and join the British Royal Navy in 1940 and serve for the duration
of the WW2. He was the only one of three cousins who all met in 1941 to
survive that conflict, the other two, Boris Romanoff and Alfred Cattley were
both killed serving in the Royal Air Force.
As to "what I am doing", I am attempting to assist other Cat*leys where
possible to find their roots. Our own Cattley trail has gone cold in the
Parish of Normanton in Yorkshire but I am hopeful that other researchers
looking into Leeds and York Cat*leys will get back to this period and
between us, we might still find common connections.
Whilst I am still working, I do not have the time to do much field work up
in Yorks but I am mindful that that stalwart Cattley researcher Gerald
Coveney has already gone through all the East Yorkshire Parish records and
could not track back before Stevan Catlay.
You mention Candice and her trail blazing Oregon ancestors but fail to point
out that we too have North American ancestors in the Moberlys who pioneered
the Canadian interior quite some time before this.
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: <Breezybray(a)aol.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 12:29 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: St Dunstans Churches and Cat*ley
> Thank you Erica,
> Candice, Thank -you for taking the time to share what you found.
> Candice's Cat*ley family are pioneers of the Northwest of the USA. They
have
> footprints in history of Oregon.
> Candice's Cattlet family are a part of America.
> I'd also like to thank Kenneth Cattley of Brazil who sent my the geneolgy
of
> our Cattley family. His family has followed the tradition of using the
grants
> to go to Oxford. The fist born son of every Cattley has free tuition to
> Oxford. You need to ask Kenneth about this as my families Cattley family
knew
> of this grant but never used it. The Cattley's of Brazil are humble
people.
> They are Brazilians.
> Erica Hills. I can not say enough about Erica. She is my angel and the
most
> beautiful person I have ever known.
> I would also like to thank Chris Newhall and Merv Davis for sharing their
> families' geneology.
> Timothy I do not know what you are searching for but I sincerely hope you
> find it.
>
> Regards, Caron Lee Patricia Cattley-Bray
>
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OK Erica,
I have refrained from entering anything about my (our) Cattley line because
there have not been any queries yet that involve it and in anycase the whole
Tree is known back to Stevan Catlay of Normanton married Elizabeth Jube at
Normanton Church in 1609.
However as you have a query, I think I can help to put matters in place.
My records show that Robert Cattley (1554144) of Malton (1833-1871) married
Eliza Newlove at Malton in 1864 and as you indicate, they had 5 children
between 1865 and 1870.
This marriage can be confirmed in that it is recorded in Kew for 1864
(researches by the late Gerald Coveney a distaff Cattley of our Tree refer).
As to the son who went to Cambridge (University??) this can only be Robert
(1866-1955) as the other sons died at 6months (John) and 14 years (John
Henry) whilst the other two children were Elizabeth who married Bernard
White in 1887 and Henrietta who was born in1870.
What you may not know Erica is that Robert senior had a brother John
1838-1899 who married Eliza Noton in 1874 and they had 4 children the
youngest being Colin who drowned on the Lusitania in 1915. His elder brother
Harry Noton Cattley married Linda Hicks in 1910 and two of their children
are still alive ie Marianne and Jean Cattley who live in York and it was
they who donated the painting of Thomas of Stearsby to the museum.
I exchange Christmas cards with Marianne and Jean so if you feel anything
needs confirmation .... just ask and I will get on to them.
Robert Cattley of Stearsby was of course Robert of Maltons father who
married Elizabeth Lotherington in 1828.
Whilst we are on the subject of "our Tree" I note that Kenneth Cattley in
Rio has been in touch with Patty and also Chris Newall.... can anyone give
me his current e-mail address please?
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Erica Hills <erica(a)hillsperth.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 7:13 AM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Eliza NEWLOVE
> Hi Everyone,
>
> This (below) is an interesting bit of information which came via my
> Personal Mailing list. It's interesting in that it shows a marriage
> between Eliza NEWLOVE and Richard CATTLEY. Unless she married two
> CATTLEYs and Richard died soon after the marriage this information is
> WRONG. This is a case where I am not sure where I got the
original
> information, but I believe she married Robert CATTLEY and had 5 children
by
> him, one of whom went to Cambridge and his Alumni entry (which I obtained)
> shows his father as Robert. What do you think Tim ?
>
> Cheers........ Erica
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From: "Andrew Sefton" <andy(a)andysefton.fsnet.co.uk>
> Subject: PML Search Result matching Cattley ANDNOT x-loop/LIST-L
> X-Loop: pmlbounce(a)rootsweb.com
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> Source: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [N'Yorks] Malton Messenger BMD's 21st May 1864
>
> MARRIAGES
>
> On the 18th inst., at Norton, by the Rev. Edmund DAY, incumbent, Richard
> CATTLEY, Esq., of Wiganthorpe, near Castle Howard, to Eliza, youngest
> daughter of the late Mr NEWLOVE, farmer, Heslerton. No cards.
>
>
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