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Hi Anthony
Sorry to take so long repling but I am shifting house at
the moment and things have been busy. Looking back in my file I can see
several Thomas Catley but they all are in the early 1700's, but as I have
not got all the branches of this line your Thomas may be descended from
these as they were father and son for three generations making it likely
that the name would carry on amongst the children.. Try a name search on the
Rootsweb site and see if Thomas comes up there.
Sorry I cant help any more than that at the moment.
Let me know how you get on please?
Dennis Catley.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Catley" <catley(a)arach.net.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] ATT: Dennis, Re: [CAT*LEY]
> Hello Dennis,
> I'm interested to see that you have ancestors from Somerset.
> I live in Australia and have traced back to a Thomas Catley who was
> a convict transported from Somersetshire. I haven't been able to go
further
> as his death certificate had little information.
> Is there a chance that he ties in somewhere with your family?
> Here are details from the ship's indent no. 38-1103 209:
> Name: Catley, Thomas
> Age: 19
> Protestant, Single, Labourer
> Native Place: Somersetshire
> Offence: Shop lifting
> Tried at Somerset (Bath) Quarter Session,
> on 26 October, 1837.
> Sentence: 10 years
> Thanks for your help,
> Regards,
> Anthony Catley
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis and Margaret Catley" <denniscatley(a)paradise.net.nz>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 5 March 2003 2:01
> Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY]
> Zaccheaus Catley
>
>
> > Hello Mick
> > To add to your notes, I came across a reference to
Catley
> > on an old Irish Surnames site. It is listed as a derivative of
> O'Gathloaich,
> > an Irish surnames that was last used prior to 1200 approximately.
> Apparently
> > Catley, Ketley and Keightley derived from the O'Gathloaich clan.
> > As you know I have traced my family as far as Somerset in 1700.
> > Dennis Catley
>
>
>
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>
This thought has been voiced by many but as yet no one has found anything to
make a confirmed connection.
There are similar names that were around circa 1200-1300's (as recently
emphasised by Mick Catley) but nothing that I know of, pre-dates the early
Latin entries in the Monasticon for the Gilbertine Order House written as
Catthley founded in 1143.
There are numerous refrences to this place some spelt as Cattley and others
as Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: <Breezybray(a)aol.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:39 PM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: Email from Ingrid Cattley
> Does anyone think the Cattley's-Catley's surname came from the Norman
Conquest of 1066? Instead of native English or Irish etc. that would make
the surname be of Norman French origin.
>
>
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Thank-you Erica,
I find this era of history very interesting and I appreciate you sharing all
these wonderful links for me to research through :-)
Patty
Does anyone think the Cattley's-Catley's surname came from the Norman Conquest of 1066? Instead of native English or Irish etc. that would make the surname be of Norman French origin.
I do not accept that the Sir Name is of Irish origin circa 1200AD when the
name is known to be associated with a Gilbertine Monastic House in
Lincolnshire circa 1143. Spelt Catthley in the Monasticon at that time which
is a darn slight closer root spelling than the Irish suggestion.
From Tim Cattley
----- Original Message -----
From: Graham Cattley <ingridh(a)hunterlink.net.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2003 6:01 AM
Subject: Email from Ingrid Cattley
> Hello Tim
> I haven't heard this suggestion before.
> Do you think that this is right? If so, does it apply in general or to
unconnected
> families named "Cat(t)ley"?
> Ingrid Cattley
> ****** Forwarded Message Follows *******
>
> Hello Mick
> To add to your notes, I came across a reference to Catley
> on an old Irish Surnames site. It is listed as a derivative of
O'Gathloaich,
> an Irish surnames that was last used prior to 1200 approximately.
Apparently
> Catley, Ketley and Keightley derived from the O'Gathloaich clan.
> As you know I have traced my family as far as Somerset in 1700.
> Dennis Catley
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mick Catley" <catleym(a)austarmetro.com.au>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Zaccheaus
> Catley
>
>
> > G'day Tim,
> >
> > Thank you for your posting.
> >
> > I can trace my Catley line back to Barley/Barkway, Hertfordshire in the
> > 17th century. Where they came from before that, I have no idea. Like
your
> > line my Catley records change between "Catley" and "Cattley" but the
> > earliest ones seem to be consistently "Catley".
> >
> > Other Catley researchers trace their ancestors back to Essex, Somerset,
> > Middlesex, Lincolnshire and Wiltshire. As it is not a particularly
common
> > name it is not unlikely that they stemmed from a common source.
> > Basil Cotter (1978) in "The Penguin Dictionary of Surnames" lists the
> > Catley surname as recording a locality or place where ancestors
originated
> > and attributes it to an Old English place name derived from '(wild)
cats'
> > wood / clearing', of which there are places in four counties.
> >
> > "The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names (1960)" gives the
> > origin as "Wild-cat Wood". Another similar literal origin that I have
> seen
> > is the combination of'cat' and 'lea', meaning a meadow where cats live.
> >
> > "A Dictionary of English Surnames (1991)" associates the Catley name
with
> > William de Chateleia 1148 , Winton, Hampshire; John de Catteley 1275,
> > Worcestershire and William de Cattele 1339, London. However none of the
> > Catley researchers I know of are able to establish a link to any of
these
> > individuals.
> >
> > The earliest reference I have found to Catley/Cattley as a place name is
> in
> > the writings of Christine Ayre who wrote a history of the Gilbertine
> priory
> > of St. Mary, Catley, in The Lincolnshire Post-Polio Information
Newsletter
> > Volume 2 - Issue No. 2 - December 1998.
> >
> > The Priory was on Catley Island in the fens of Lincolnshire. This was
> > founded as a double house (i.e. for both men and women) in the reign of
> > King Steven, between 1148, and 1154 by Peter de Billinghay. He endowed
it
> > with the whole island of Catley, the site of a grange and some arable
land
> > at Walcott; the church of Billinghay, and the chapel of Walcott;
pasturage
> > for 400 sheep in the two townships, and rights of fishing on Walcott
> marsh.
> >
> > The Latin name in monastic archives was Catthley" meaning "wild cat
wood".
> > Cattley is the place name but probably there is no connection with the
> > Monastery. There were probably many "wild cat woods" in medieval
England.
> >
> > The site of the Monastery/Priory is now called Catley Island near the
> > Villages of Walcott, and Billinghay,in Licolnshire.
> >
> >
> > At 12:48 AM 03/03/03 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Hi Ya Mick,
> > >
> > >This is Tim Cattley in UK making contact with you, or as they say these
> > >days:- "just touching base".
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
> >
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> >
> >
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>
Hello Mick
To add to your notes, I came across a reference to Catley
on an old Irish Surnames site. It is listed as a derivative of O'Gathloaich,
an Irish surnames that was last used prior to 1200 approximately. Apparently
Catley, Ketley and Keightley derived from the O'Gathloaich clan.
As you know I have traced my family as far as Somerset in 1700.
Dennis Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mick Catley" <catleym(a)austarmetro.com.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 8:12 PM
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Zaccheaus
Catley
> G'day Tim,
>
> Thank you for your posting.
>
> I can trace my Catley line back to Barley/Barkway, Hertfordshire in the
> 17th century. Where they came from before that, I have no idea. Like your
> line my Catley records change between "Catley" and "Cattley" but the
> earliest ones seem to be consistently "Catley".
>
> Other Catley researchers trace their ancestors back to Essex, Somerset,
> Middlesex, Lincolnshire and Wiltshire. As it is not a particularly common
> name it is not unlikely that they stemmed from a common source.
> Basil Cotter (1978) in "The Penguin Dictionary of Surnames" lists the
> Catley surname as recording a locality or place where ancestors originated
> and attributes it to an Old English place name derived from '(wild) cats'
> wood / clearing', of which there are places in four counties.
>
> "The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place Names (1960)" gives the
> origin as "Wild-cat Wood". Another similar literal origin that I have
seen
> is the combination of'cat' and 'lea', meaning a meadow where cats live.
>
> "A Dictionary of English Surnames (1991)" associates the Catley name with
> William de Chateleia 1148 , Winton, Hampshire; John de Catteley 1275,
> Worcestershire and William de Cattele 1339, London. However none of the
> Catley researchers I know of are able to establish a link to any of these
> individuals.
>
> The earliest reference I have found to Catley/Cattley as a place name is
in
> the writings of Christine Ayre who wrote a history of the Gilbertine
priory
> of St. Mary, Catley, in The Lincolnshire Post-Polio Information Newsletter
> Volume 2 - Issue No. 2 - December 1998.
>
> The Priory was on Catley Island in the fens of Lincolnshire. This was
> founded as a double house (i.e. for both men and women) in the reign of
> King Steven, between 1148, and 1154 by Peter de Billinghay. He endowed it
> with the whole island of Catley, the site of a grange and some arable land
> at Walcott; the church of Billinghay, and the chapel of Walcott; pasturage
> for 400 sheep in the two townships, and rights of fishing on Walcott
marsh.
>
> The Latin name in monastic archives was Catthley" meaning "wild cat wood".
> Cattley is the place name but probably there is no connection with the
> Monastery. There were probably many "wild cat woods" in medieval England.
>
> The site of the Monastery/Priory is now called Catley Island near the
> Villages of Walcott, and Billinghay,in Licolnshire.
>
>
> At 12:48 AM 03/03/03 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi Ya Mick,
> >
> >This is Tim Cattley in UK making contact with you, or as they say these
> >days:- "just touching base".
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hills/index.html
>
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>
>
Dear all,
This looks like it could be an IGI mistake..??
ANN CATTLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 14 NOV 1763 Garforth, Yorkshire, England
2. ALICE CATTLEY - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Marriage: 20 JUL 1806 Garforth, Yorkshire, England
both these Catleys (same batch) are given as marrying a 'Samuel
Robinson'....possible,
but improbable??
Regards,
Kay Catley Heath
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, 3 March 2003 11:48
Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Zaccheaus Catley
> Hi Ya Mick,
>
> This is Tim Cattley in UK making contact with you, or as they say these
> days:- "just touching base".
>
> Am a relation of Erica Hills who is running the Cat*ley web site, she
being
> a distaff Cattley herself on my Tree which has been researched back to
> Stevan Catlay who married in 1609 in Yorkshire. My tree ancestors names
went
> through being recorded in the Parish records as:- Catlay
> Catleay
> and back to:- Catlay again before settling
> on the spelling Cattley by about 1650.
>
> You seem to have a lot of information on Catley as a name and I wonder how
> far you have taken your researches? For obvious reasons I have tended to
> concentrate on the "double T" spelling but am mindful that we probably all
> stem from a common root name (Cat(t)ley meaning "wild cat wood" in old
> English) so we are told.
>
> I have American Cattleys looking for their Catley roots in Leeds and
wonder
> if you have comment?
>
> I am very new on Internet but have 20 years reaearch on my own Tree but
now
> trying to balance things out what with all the capabilities that the net
> provides.
>
> Regards Tim
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mick Catley <catleym(a)austarmetro.com.au>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:42 AM
> Subject: [CAT*LEY] Re: [CAT*LEY] Zaccheaus Catley
>
>
> > G'day Liz,
> >
> > The IGI has the following records which appear to be relevant:
> >
> > John Thomas Catley c. 22 Apr 1817, Holy Trinity, Kingston Upon Hull,
> > Yorks. Father Zarcheus. Mother Rebecca. (Batch # C107481)
> >
> > Caroline Ann Catley c. 21 Apr 1822, Sculcoates, Yorks. Father Zechariah.
> > Mother Rebecca.
> > (Batch # C009152)
> >
> > Zaccheus Catley m. 30 Dec 1816 Rebecca Oliver. (Batch # M107521)
> >
> > Zaccheus Catley c. 19 Oct 1777, Bottesford, Lincoln. Father Thomas.
(Batch
> > # C027142)
> >
> > Your Thomas Oliver Catley b 28 Mar 1846 may have taken his second
forename
> > from his grandmother's maiden name of Rebecca Oliver.
> >
> >
> > Good luck with your research,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 01:10 AM 11/02/03 +0000, you wrote:
> > >Hi everyone,
> > >Thanks for your replies. This is what I have managed to find out so
far.
> I
> > >think I need a cup of tea first. As I'm doing this on behalf of my
> stepdad
> > >some of the info is a bit vage.
> > >Gwyn Charles Catley b 2/6/1939 Hastings
> > >His father Cyril Catley mother Elsie Rhoda Cecilia Barden
> > >Cyril was b 27/8/1906 Aberfan
> > >His father was Charles Alexander Catley mother Mary Ann Roberts
> > >Charles Alexander b 18/8/1876 St. Saviour Southwark
> > >His father was Thomas Oliver Catley mother Emma Day
> > >Thomas Oliver b 28/3/1846 St Mary Newington
> > >His father was John Thomas Catley mother Martha Elizabeth Callard
> > >John Thomas married Martha Elizabeth 1/4/1841 and the cert states
> > >Zacchaeus Catley as his father.
> > >
> > >On the 1881 census it shows
> > >Thomas Oliver head age 34 Lambeth Fishmonger
> > >Emma wife age 31 Newington Tailoress (her father was a tailor)
> > >Thomas Zais age 8 Newington scholer
> > >Henry George age 7 Newington scholer
> > >Charles Ocads age 4 St Georges Warwick (this should be Southwark and
not
> > >Warwick)
> > >Sydney age 2 As above
> > >Ernest age 2 As above
> > >
> > >Ernest went to Merthyr Tydfil and married Mary Jane Williams 13/8/1902
> > >Charles Alexander was a witness.
> > >I also have a Marriage cert for Charles Catley and Arundell Penny
> > >7/11/1840 married at St Mary Newington father Joseph Catley witness
> George
> > >Catley.
> > >Not sure if this has anything to do with this.
> > >Does anybody have access to 1851 census for Newington area.
> > >Thanks
> > >Liz
> > >
> > >
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> > Regards
> >
> > Mick Catley
> >
> >
> >
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Hi everyone,
Thanks for your replies. This is what I have managed to find out so far. I think I need a cup of tea first. As I'm doing this on behalf of my stepdad some of the info is a bit vage.
Gwyn Charles Catley b 2/6/1939 Hastings
His father Cyril Catley mother Elsie Rhoda Cecilia Barden
Cyril was b 27/8/1906 Aberfan
His father was Charles Alexander Catley mother Mary Ann Roberts
Charles Alexander b 18/8/1876 St. Saviour Southwark
His father was Thomas Oliver Catley mother Emma Day
Thomas Oliver b 28/3/1846 St Mary Newington
His father was John Thomas Catley mother Martha Elizabeth Callard
John Thomas married Martha Elizabeth 1/4/1841 and the cert states Zacchaeus Catley as his father.
On the 1881 census it shows
Thomas Oliver head age 34 Lambeth Fishmonger
Emma wife age 31 Newington Tailoress (her father was a tailor)
Thomas Zais age 8 Newington scholer
Henry George age 7 Newington scholer
Charles Ocads age 4 St Georges Warwick (this should be Southwark and not Warwick)
Sydney age 2 As above
Ernest age 2 As above
Ernest went to Merthyr Tydfil and married Mary Jane Williams 13/8/1902 Charles Alexander was a witness.
I also have a Marriage cert for Charles Catley and Arundell Penny 7/11/1840 married at St Mary Newington father Joseph Catley witness George Catley.
Not sure if this has anything to do with this.
Does anybody have access to 1851 census for Newington area.
Thanks
Liz