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Hi there All,
Is there anyone out there who has the
1815 Orphy CATLY 14 " Shepreth, All Saints
death listed in their family tree, or any other Catley from that parish for that matter. I think she is listed as a birth under perhaps her proper name of something like Orpah (sorry I am relying on my memory here) in 1800 in the same parish. I have a hunch that she may be the eldest sister of Zachariah Catley (both parents John and Elizabeth).
This may have been the clue I have been looking for, so thanks Dave.
Regards
Jocelyn (Catley)
>
> From: "DBARKER" <deebee(a)richmondcorner.freeserve.co.uk>
> Date: 2003/12/03 Wed PM 12:09:28 GMT+13:00
> To: CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CAT...] Cambridgeshire CATLEY deaths
>
> Hi Listers
>
> These deaths are from the NBI issue 1 for Cambridgeshire
> Date---Forename---Surname----Age---County---Place / Details
> 1804 Ann CATLEY ---- Cambs Ickleton, St. Mary Magdalene
> 1810 Elizabeth " 2 " Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
> 1814 Eliza " inf " Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
> 1817 Elizabeth " 44 " Cambridge,St. Andrew the Great
> 1819 George " 3 " Melbourn, All Saints
> 1817 James " 74 " Ickleton, St. Mary Magdalene
> 1802 John " 80 " Chesterton, St. Andrew
> 1804 John " 75 " Sawston, St. Mary
> 1820 John " 52 " Sawston, St. Mary
> 1822 Joshua " 5 " Cambridge,St. Andrew the Great
> 1818 Lucy " 20 " Sawston, St. Mary
> 1805 Mary " 20 " Melbourn, All Saints
> 1817 Mary " 18 " Sawston, St. Mary
> 1818 Mary " 18 " Sawston, St. Mary
> 1810 Sarah " --- " Chesterton, St. Andrew
> 1815 Sarah " 56 " Cambridge,St. Michael
> 1819 William " 4 " Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
> 1814 William E " 4 " Cambridge,Holy Trinity
> 1815 Orphy CATLY 14 " Shepreth, All Saints
> 1811 Jane CATTLEY inf " Sawston, St. Mary
>
> I hope this is of interest or help to somebody. Maybe they tie in with the Herts or Essex branches
>
> Regards Dave Barker
>
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G'day Jocelyn,
There is an IGI record for Orpah Catley c. 2 Nov 1800 at Shepreth,
Cambridge. Daughter of Jn and Eliz.
At 12:56 PM 5/12/03 +1300, prvanov(a)xtra.co.nz wrote:
>Hi there All,
>Is there anyone out there who has the
>
>1815 Orphy CATLY 14 " Shepreth, All Saints
>
>death listed in their family tree, or any other Catley from that parish
>for that matter. I think she is listed as a birth under perhaps her proper
>name of something like Orpah (sorry I am relying on my memory here) in
>1800 in the same parish. I have a hunch that she
Regards,
Mick Catley
Hello Sharon,
Its early days yet but I think that I have made a connection for Alan and
Eileen Cattley who monitor this list .... it was Alan who sent in that
fantastic space shot of Europe from the Shuttle on its last mission, showing
western Europe half in daylight and half in darkness......... remember?
The lead came to me via GenesConnected and separate research that a non
ROOTSWEB lister has done.
Am waiting for confirmation that the news is indeed new information for
Eileen and Alan as I suspect it to be and it involves living members of
their tree which I think they do not know about. As such, it would be most
imprudent of me to blindly broadcast this before they have had an
opportunity to digest said information and let me know if they are happy to
type up and submit to Chris Newall their modified Tree which goes back to
circa 1861 when Isaac Cattley married in Greenwich.
You will also now note that my references were to Cattley and not as you
put: Catley.
I take great pains to attempt to be accurate in my reports and general
correspondence on this list in that if I write Catley, then I am referring
to that spelling, or, Cattley if again I am sure about it. If not, then I
always refer to Cat(t)ley or, as Erica succinctly puts it:- "Cat*ley".
Fully realise that some of you are researching Catleys in the Camberwell
area but please do be advised that there are numerous instances where the
Cattley name also features in the same district and at the same time and
this is one of them.
The only real problem of "Catley/Cattley crossover" seems to involve the
Anstey Cat*leys where for right up to almost the present times it seems that
this Pedigree could not settle on a unified name spelling and has fluctuated
around ... all most confusing!
Regards Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon White <frizzyfiona(a)ntlworld.com>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 10:14 PM
Subject: [CAT...] Camberwell Catleys
> Hi Tim
>
> I just wondered what the news was that had come in about the Camberwell
Catley's and what the development might be.
>
> Thanks.
> Sharon
>
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Hello David,
Very many thanks for posting your Cambs Deaths ex NBI issue No1 for all to
see, you have obviously been busy!
I too hope that your information will assist our Herts/Cambs/Essex Cat(t)ley
researchers but I am of the opinion, from first reaction to seeing your list
that it is going to even deepen the already quite deep pool of speculation
as to Cat(t)ley origins!
You have obviously "dug deep" into Cambridge and surrounds Parishes and by
all events have come up with yet another Cat(t)ley "pocket". The area in
question is quite small yet such rich pickings!
Is this pocket of Catleys yet another mini Tree in its own right, or, does
it have its origins in Barley/Barkway (Anstey Cat(t)ley) Territory?. I
suspect the latter.
The Mormon Lists give an indication that Cat(t)ley was at large in London
and Essex in the 1500's. The Ansty brigade seem to emerge in the early
1700's. Do the Cambridge lot come from Ansty or further afield as would be
Essex/London?
We are so very lucky that we have such a unique name where speculation of
this nature and so far back in history, can be applied.
Happy hunting all,............. Tim
PS news just in re the Camberwell Cattley connections, I think we have a
development there.
----- Original Message -----
From: DBARKER <deebee(a)richmondcorner.freeserve.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 11:09 PM
Subject: [CAT...] Cambridgeshire CATLEY deaths
> Hi Listers
>
> These deaths are from the NBI issue 1 for Cambridgeshire
> Date---Forename---Surname----Age---County---Place / Details
> 1804 Ann CATLEY ---- Cambs Ickleton, St. Mary
Magdalene
> 1810 Elizabeth " 2 " Cambridge,Holy
Sepulchre
> 1814 Eliza " inf "
Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
> 1817 Elizabeth " 44 " Cambridge,St.
Andrew the Great
> 1819 George " 3 " Melbourn, All
Saints
> 1817 James " 74 " Ickleton, St.
Mary Magdalene
> 1802 John " 80 " Chesterton,
St. Andrew
> 1804 John " 75 " Sawston, St.
Mary
> 1820 John " 52 " Sawston, St.
Mary
> 1822 Joshua " 5 " Cambridge,St.
Andrew the Great
> 1818 Lucy " 20 " Sawston, St.
Mary
> 1805 Mary " 20 " Melbourn, All
Saints
> 1817 Mary " 18 " Sawston, St.
Mary
> 1818 Mary " 18 " Sawston, St.
Mary
> 1810 Sarah " --- " Chesterton,
St. Andrew
> 1815 Sarah " 56 " Cambridge,St.
Michael
> 1819 William " 4 "
Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
> 1814 William E " 4 " Cambridge,Holy
Trinity
> 1815 Orphy CATLY 14 " Shepreth, All
Saints
> 1811 Jane CATTLEY inf " Sawston, St. Mary
>
> I hope this is of interest or help to somebody. Maybe they tie in with the
Herts or Essex branches
>
> Regards Dave Barker
>
>
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Hi Listers
These deaths are from the NBI issue 1 for Cambridgeshire
Date---Forename---Surname----Age---County---Place / Details
1804 Ann CATLEY ---- Cambs Ickleton, St. Mary Magdalene
1810 Elizabeth " 2 " Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
1814 Eliza " inf " Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
1817 Elizabeth " 44 " Cambridge,St. Andrew the Great
1819 George " 3 " Melbourn, All Saints
1817 James " 74 " Ickleton, St. Mary Magdalene
1802 John " 80 " Chesterton, St. Andrew
1804 John " 75 " Sawston, St. Mary
1820 John " 52 " Sawston, St. Mary
1822 Joshua " 5 " Cambridge,St. Andrew the Great
1818 Lucy " 20 " Sawston, St. Mary
1805 Mary " 20 " Melbourn, All Saints
1817 Mary " 18 " Sawston, St. Mary
1818 Mary " 18 " Sawston, St. Mary
1810 Sarah " --- " Chesterton, St. Andrew
1815 Sarah " 56 " Cambridge,St. Michael
1819 William " 4 " Cambridge,Holy Sepulchre
1814 William E " 4 " Cambridge,Holy Trinity
1815 Orphy CATLY 14 " Shepreth, All Saints
1811 Jane CATTLEY inf " Sawston, St. Mary
I hope this is of interest or help to somebody. Maybe they tie in with the Herts or Essex branches
Regards Dave Barker
Thanks Liz,
it's a pity the records only go back to 1837.
Regards,
Anthony
----- Original Message -----
From: "liz Cordingley" <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 December 2003 1:07
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
> Hi Anthony,
> Yes the PR's are on line www1837online.com however you can only order
certs
> if you live in UK. I do have quite a few records myself that are not on
> FreeBMD so if you would like some info let me know.
> Liz
In your thrill of the chase Liz, I note that you have cut across and
answered an e-mail addressed to me.
I don't mind but others might get a bit miffed if you gazump them this way!
It would be nice if, in future, you could make some acknowledgement to the
fact that you are acting on the addressees behalf,
Cheers ..... Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: liz Cordingley <lizcordingley(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
> Hi Anthony,
> Yes the PR's are on line www1837online.com however you can only order
certs
> if you live in UK. I do have quite a few records myself that are not on
> FreeBMD so if you would like some info let me know.
> Liz
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Catley" <catley(a)arach.net.au>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 12:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
>
>
> > Hello Tim,
> >
> > are the UK Public Record Office Births Marriages and Death
> > Lists online?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Anthony
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tim Cattley" <timjhcat(a)tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> > Sent: Monday, 1 December 2003 8:21
> > Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
> >
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I do not know if it is of any interest or relevance but I note in my
UK
> > > Public Record Office Births Marriages and Death lists that there is an
> > > Elizabeth Catley shown as married in Bath in the 3rd quarter of 1838.
> > >
> > > My lists show few Catleys as the extract subject was Cattley and a few
> > > single "T"s got included and Elizabeth is one of them.
> > >
> > > Regards ............ Tim
> >
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Hi All,
Sharon is correct, George is alone.
There are three other families living under the blanket of Camberwell:-
George 36 Leather Clerk
Ada 33
Lizzie 11
Ethel 6
Thomas 28 Asst to a Cheeseman b Southwark
Alice 24 b Kennington
Frederick 26 Baker/confectioner shopkeeper b Beaconsfield, Bucks
Elizabeth27
All born Camberwell unless stated otherwise.
Derek
G'day Sharon,
There is an IGI record for George Ballance Catley, christened 18 September
1836 at Saint Dunstan, Stepney, London. Parents were recorded as Thomas
and Mary Catley.
At 09:31 PM 30/11/03 +0000, Sharon White wrote:
>Hi everyone
>
>I've now received the Birth Certificate for Gwen Catley's father, and
>here's the information:
>
>Registration District Camberwell
>
>When and where born - Fourteenth June 1864
> 6 Amelia Street
>Name - George William
>
>Boy
>
>Name and surname of father - George Catley
>
>Name, surname and maiden surname of mother -
>Mary Frances Catley, formerly Goodman
>
>Occupation of father - Chimney Sweep
>
>Signature, description and residence of informant -
>G Catley, father 6 Amelia Street, Camberwell
>
>When registered - Eleventh July 1864
>
>
>Unfortunately, I can find no trace of the whole family in the 1881 Census,
>but in the 1901 Census I found George Catley (senior) mentioned, and at
>that time he's still living in Camberwell, is still a chimney sweep and is
>shown as age 65, and born in Camberwell. I didn't see his wife Mary
>mentioned, and I haven't paid to look at the actual entry in detail. The
>other thing is that if his age is quoted correctly, it would mean he was
>born in 1836, just too early to get his birth certificate! It seems the
>way forward to trace his father/family would be via either the 1841/1851
>Census Returns for Camberwell or by obtaining his Marriage Certificate.
>There doesn't seem to be any entry on FreeBMD for this or the IGI.
>
>Does anyone have Census Returns covering this district or have any other
>ideas?
>
>If anyone would like copies of these Certificates relating to Gwen or her
>father, if you'd like to e-mail me privately, I'll send scans through to you.
>
>Sharon
>
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Regards,
Mick Catley
Hi Mick & Liz
Thanks for such quick responses and the additional information - I shall definitely look into this. I do seem to recall from an interview extract of Gwen Catley's that she said her father was the only one to reach adulthood and marry, so it looks like Ernest Catley would have died perhaps before the next Census (I didn't see him mentioned in 1901).
Anyway, thanks again!
Sharon
Thanks to everyone for your replies.
Dennis, his second fore-name was probably George. It
doesn't appear on his marriage certificate or his death certificate
but his son's death certificate names the father as Thomas George Catley.
This son was also a Thomas George and he had a son also named
Thomas George. So starting with our convict there are three generations
of Thomas George.
This makes it possible that the father of Thomas George (the convict)
also went by Thomas George but I only know for certain that he is called
Thomas from his son's (the convict) death certificate.
Hope that makes sense. If only I had his mother's name as well!!
Anthony Catley
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis and Margaret Catley" <denniscatley(a)paradise.net.nz>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2003 4:23
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
> Hello Anthony
>
> Can I ask is Thomas the only fore-name you have for your ancestor? in my
> family line there are several James Thomas and other Thomas forenames,
some
> are known by the first and others by the second name(possibly to avoid
> confusion with relatives)
> My gr-gr-grand-father was born in Bristol in 1833, his father Robert
William
> was born in Chilcompton/Somerset and his father was born in
Welton/Somerset
> where the family appears to have been for many years.
> Robert William married Ann Brodrib from Clutton/Somerset and then settled
in
> Bristol in business as a Draper.
> I have checked the people I have recorded but can only suggest that your
> Thomas may be from Midsomer Norton families because of the above family
> movement, my family were certainly not the only ones to move to town
looking
> for work.
> Bath, Bristol and Somerset are relatively close together making this
likely.
> I hope you can find some help in this.
> Hope to hear more from you
> James Dennis Catley(known as Dennis)
Hi all,
I do not know if it is of any interest or relevance but I note in my UK
Public Record Office Births Marriages and Death lists that there is an
Elizabeth Catley shown as married in Bath in the 3rd quarter of 1838.
My lists show few Catleys as the extract subject was Cattley and a few
single "T"s got included and Elizabeth is one of them.
Regards ............ Tim
----- Original Message -----
From: Catley <catley(a)arach.net.au>
To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 11:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
> Thanks to everyone for your replies.
>
> Dennis, his second fore-name was probably George. It
> doesn't appear on his marriage certificate or his death certificate
> but his son's death certificate names the father as Thomas George Catley.
> This son was also a Thomas George and he had a son also named
> Thomas George. So starting with our convict there are three generations
> of Thomas George.
> This makes it possible that the father of Thomas George (the convict)
> also went by Thomas George but I only know for certain that he is called
> Thomas from his son's (the convict) death certificate.
> Hope that makes sense. If only I had his mother's name as well!!
>
> Anthony Catley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dennis and Margaret Catley" <denniscatley(a)paradise.net.nz>
> To: <CATLEY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, 30 November 2003 4:23
> Subject: Re: [CAT...] Thomas Catley, Bath
>
>
> > Hello Anthony
> >
> > Can I ask is Thomas the only fore-name you have for your ancestor? in my
> > family line there are several James Thomas and other Thomas forenames,
> some
> > are known by the first and others by the second name(possibly to avoid
> > confusion with relatives)
> > My gr-gr-grand-father was born in Bristol in 1833, his father Robert
> William
> > was born in Chilcompton/Somerset and his father was born in
> Welton/Somerset
> > where the family appears to have been for many years.
> > Robert William married Ann Brodrib from Clutton/Somerset and then
settled
> in
> > Bristol in business as a Draper.
> > I have checked the people I have recorded but can only suggest that your
> > Thomas may be from Midsomer Norton families because of the above family
> > movement, my family were certainly not the only ones to move to town
> looking
> > for work.
> > Bath, Bristol and Somerset are relatively close together making this
> likely.
> > I hope you can find some help in this.
> > Hope to hear more from you
> > James Dennis Catley(known as Dennis)
>
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Hello
I'm researching the Catley family of Wiltshire and until I came across the database recently was finding it hard to progress further back than James & Martha of Tisbury. It now seems that we're probably linked to James & Alice of Barley, Hrts but this is from trying to piece together the information from the database.
A message was posted by Janet (Catley) Newman on 16 June 2000 detailing 18th C Wiltshire Catley's and we're linked to those. I specifically come from the line of James & Martha's son Charles b.1772 who married Mary Hibberd. The family then moved to Barford St Martin, Wiltshire and were to be found moving frequently between the villages. There also seem to be a large number of Catley's in Midsomer Norton, Glos, and as this is not too far away from Wiltshire, I'm wondering if there is also a link with this branch too. One further thing is that the surname fluctuates with our branch between Catley and Cadley just to make things more awkward!
If anyone can help at all, I would be really grateful. Thanks
Sharon White