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William, John, Henry and Martha are enumerated in the 1850 census .
Williiam is in the Triplett household, John is in the Goodhart household and Henry
is in the Winemiller household. Martha Jane is married and enumerated as the
wife of Nathan Meeks.
I have suspected a connection with James but have not found any evidence. I
believe James and his family continued to reside in Ohio. I have not gained
access to court records to explore guardianship papers. I have
unsuccessfully searched for newspaper stories through Ancestry.com. Using a search
function I found an ad from the Goodharts seeking relatives of their "charge" John
Catlett. Your thoughts about searching court and newspaper records may be
the routes to follow to unravel the mystery of the origin of these children.
Thanks very much,
Dave
In a message dated 1/17/2009 10:05:19 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tmg4me(a)comcast.net writes:
Here's a summary and building blocks representing whatt I've learned from you
all this week in regard to the wagon train orphans who were placed in
various
homes in and around present-day Noble County, Ohio.
Four children:
1. Martha CATLETT, b. 1833-1835, married to Nathan MEEKS
2. William CATLETT, b. 1833-1835, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio (was Virginia
or West Virginia ever referenced in records pertaining to him?)
3. John CATLETT, b. 1837-1838
4. Henry CATLETT, b. 1839-1840
==========
Questions/comments: The names could be from any of the Virginia families.
Just about every CATLETT family that I've seen has a William and a John.
Henry was definitely used in the Frederick Co. (Fauquier Co, too I believe,
i.e., those descended from Robert CATLETT who married Mary FLOYD). All good
Anglican names.
When did this life changing incident happen?? Looks to me that it happened
between 1840 and 1850 (whatever the earliest 1850 census enumeration date for
these children. Does anyone have the enumeration dates from the 1850 census
for these four?
Is there a close bloodline relationship between these kids and James A
Catlett
(Cinda's ancestor). James was old enough, to have taken guardianship of
these
kids, if he was in the area at the time of the incident. He may not have had
the means to take care of 4 kids, but it appears that he was a single man up
until about 1845. Was there ever any contact between the 4 kids and James A
CATLETT? Did James stay in Ohio when the kids (as adults) removed to
Sullivan
County, Missouri? (James was in Noble Co. for the 1880 census enumeration.
Where were the kids? I probably have those details in the notes shared by
Dave and Diana, but due to time constraints am not digging those notes out.
What court records have been searched? There should be guardianship and/or
apprenticeship records for them. In any one of the counties mentioned (Noble
would have something if the guardianship was established or changed after
Noble County was formed in 1851; if earlier, then those other counties
should
have the records, unless the records have been destroyed or are lost or
missing).
How about newspaper accounts of the incident? Where did the incident
happen? Might there be details in the guardianship records?
Ideas and details from others encouraged and appreciated!
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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Here's a summary and building blocks representing whatt I've learned from you
all this week in regard to the wagon train orphans who were placed in various
homes in and around present-day Noble County, Ohio.
Four children:
1. Martha CATLETT, b. 1833-1835, married to Nathan MEEKS
2. William CATLETT, b. 1833-1835, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Ohio (was Virginia
or West Virginia ever referenced in records pertaining to him?)
3. John CATLETT, b. 1837-1838
4. Henry CATLETT, b. 1839-1840
==========
Questions/comments: The names could be from any of the Virginia families.
Just about every CATLETT family that I've seen has a William and a John.
Henry was definitely used in the Frederick Co. (Fauquier Co, too I believe,
i.e., those descended from Robert CATLETT who married Mary FLOYD). All good
Anglican names.
When did this life changing incident happen?? Looks to me that it happened
between 1840 and 1850 (whatever the earliest 1850 census enumeration date for
these children. Does anyone have the enumeration dates from the 1850 census
for these four?
Is there a close bloodline relationship between these kids and James A Catlett
(Cinda's ancestor). James was old enough, to have taken guardianship of these
kids, if he was in the area at the time of the incident. He may not have had
the means to take care of 4 kids, but it appears that he was a single man up
until about 1845. Was there ever any contact between the 4 kids and James A
CATLETT? Did James stay in Ohio when the kids (as adults) removed to Sullivan
County, Missouri? (James was in Noble Co. for the 1880 census enumeration.
Where were the kids? I probably have those details in the notes shared by
Dave and Diana, but due to time constraints am not digging those notes out.
What court records have been searched? There should be guardianship and/or
apprenticeship records for them. In any one of the counties mentioned (Noble
would have something if the guardianship was established or changed after
Noble County was formed in 1851; if earlier, then those other counties should
have the records, unless the records have been destroyed or are lost or
missing).
How about newspaper accounts of the incident? Where did the incident
happen? Might there be details in the guardianship records?
Ideas and details from others encouraged and appreciated!
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
Hi Cinda --
Your line then (to clarify--and correct me if I misinterpreted):
James A CATLETT, b. circa 1816-1817, Virginia, farmer per 1880 census, parents
born in Virginia
wife Mary, born circa 1827-1828, Virginia (was her occupation "Kitchen" or it
that her married name?), parents born in Virginia
Enumerated in 1880 census (Guernesey Co., OH)
Their children:
1. Almira, b. circa 1846-1847 (where?)
2. Hester A., b. circa 1847-1848 (where?)
3. William, b., circa 1848-1849 (where?); married Mary A. LAW (when?, where?)
4. Joseph, b., circa 1850-1851 (where?); married Eliza F BOWERSOCK (when?,
where?)
5. Samuel, b., circa 1853-1854 (where?); married Synthia J BOWERSOCK, 20 Jun
1873, Noble Co., OH)
6. Olive, b. circa 1855-1856 (where?)
7. George W[ashington], b. circa 1857-1858; died 1838, Mt. Ephraim, Ohio (what
county?)
This family should have been enumerated as a family in the US censuses of
1850, 1860, and 1870.
If you've checked (state by state) in census indicies, what were your results
for those important years?
There are many possibilities for the parents of your James amongst the
somewhat-known James Catletts. None that I have recorded had a middle initial
of A (no middle initial noted at), so any one of those could be your
ancestor. Need more information on where this family was living during those
other three census enumeration years. And of course, if there's no baseline
record (much of it from the Stubbs book), then the possibilities are endless
and still "out there" some place.
I believe that Diana Dye is going to try to look at the early Ohio census
records this weekend (through her free 2-week Ancestry.com trial). She's
going to be on the look out for these guys. Not sure she'll be able to look
at Virginia censuses or not. So, if you've already looked, it's kind of
important to us to know if you've already looked and to know what you learned
(even if you found nothing).
Have you gone forward with census searches for George and his siblings?
What other source/resources have you looked at for these guys?
> I'm Cinda Kerr Jenney. My maternal grandfather was a descendant of George
> Washington Catlett through his father, James A. Catlett. I have, from Noble
> County census records, George's date of birth as 1858 in Nobel County, Oh and
> died in 1938 in Mt. Ephraim, Ohio. From the 1880 Guernsey Co, Ohio census, I
> have George listed as the son of James (nmi) Catlett and wife Mary (no maiden
> name). Information listed for James states he as 64 and a farmer at the
> time, born in Virginia and mother and father born in Virginia. Mary was 52 and
> was listed as "Kitchen." She and her parents were born in Virginia.
>
> Their children were listed as Almira, b. 1847
> Hester A., b. 1848
> William, b. 1849, m. Mary A. Law
> Joseph, b. 1851, m. Eliza F. Bowersock
> Samuel, b. 1854, m. Synthia J. Bowersock (they married 6/20/1873 in Noble Co
> Olive b. 1856
> George W, b. 1858
>
> That is as far back as I was able to trace. This was a number of years ago,
> and I just kind of quit searching. Anything after that would be great.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cinda
-- Karon
NOW Cousins:
I am hopping that there is Some one Among you that will be able to shed some
light on This Couple
NOW Cousins:
I am hopping that there is Some one Among you that will be able to shed some
light on This Couple
Isabell Cattlet Maried to ONE Francis Campbell, Many Years ago,
Either in Louisa Or Albemarle County Virginia
There was A marriage for these Ancestors, Hoping to be able to find some
Family Information that Will fill in the Mising Links
Thanks, CUZ A T _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
Isabell Cattlet Maried to ONE Francis Campbell, Many Years ago,
Either in Louisa Or Albemarle County Virginia
There was A marriage for these Ancestors, Hoping to be able to find some
Family Information that Will fill in the Mising Links
Thanks, CUZ A T _atpowelljr(a)aol.com_ (mailto:atpowelljr@aol.com)
Hey, Karon, I'll be back to you on Sunday or after the weekend. Yes, I remember Lettice, and I think it was Margaret Amundson (sp?) who wrote the Thomas Madison -- I'll see if I have her document (or that perhaps it was "speculation" on her part. But, it was definitely the Thomas Catlett, for which I know I have source.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Karon Bosze <tmg4me(a)comcast.net>
>Sent: Jan 16, 2009 10:24 AM
>To: catlett(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [CATLETT] Lancaster Co., VA to NC/SC to GA Catletts
>
>Hi Pam --
>
>Good to "see" you!!! I have a question for you, as I keep one eye open on any
>discussion of the Lancaster County group, while trying to stick to later
>Catletts, further north and northwest in VA. <g>
>
>Very uncommon for children to be given middle names in the 17th century in
>Virginia. So, here comes a tough question. What source or sources do you
>have for the name Thomas Madison Catlett?
>
>Also, I've come across several (and probably more) databases at Rootsweb that
>show one of the key women who married into the Catlett with a very unusual
>last name. I think the name was Lattico (or something like that) -- I need to
>go back and find those again. I did query two of the database owners about it
>in November or December and received no reply to my question. A search of the
>name (whatever *it* was) turned up no other finds on the Internet. (My
>thought was that maybe it was an error in translating a record and that it
>perhaps was a given name (and not a surname) -- LETTICE or LETICIA.
>
>Have you come across something like this in your searches of the Lancaster
>Co., VA area?
>
>Thanks in advance - to you and anyone else who can shed light on the names
>"Thomas Madison CATLETT" and also the "Lattico" lady.
>
>Pam Mullinax wrote:
>
><snipped>
>
>> Speculation has been that Laban is the son of Hazelwood Catlett (abt.1738 -
>> After 1773) who we have documented as early as 1757 in the early formation
>> of NC (Bute/Granville/Franklin counties). We cannot make the tie, but there
>> is a tie back from this Hazelwood to a Thomas Madison Catlett (bef.1680 -
>> 1713) and Frances Haselwood (abt. 1681) who were married between 23 Dec 1699
>> - 14 May 1701 in the Northern Neck of VA. Frances was the daughter of Thomas
>> Haslewood and Mary Cole. Thomas Madison and Frances Haselwood had (at least)
>> two children: Thomas and William (born 1700-1710). I'm pretty sure the
>> William Catlett married Sarah Clark (daughter of Arthur Clark who died 1718
>> probably in Lancaster Co., VA). William was the residual heir in his
>> grandmother's will should Thomas her son and Thomas her grandson (William's
>> brother) die.
>
><snipped>
>>
>> Who is Thomas Madison Catlett of Lancaster? It has been suggested he might
>> be a son of Nicolas.
>
>
>-- Karon
>
>"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
> -- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
>
>
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I am out of town through the weekend and without my database, but I will respond after I return home.
-----Original Message-----
>From: Julia Griffith <juliagriffith(a)msn.com>
>Sent: Jan 16, 2009 9:49 AM
>To: catlett(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CATLETT] 2009 - Georgia Catletts
>
>
>Pam,
>
>Just wondering what you have on the birth of the Catlett children you listed below especially my Sarah. The information I have mostly just borrowed from others and is not well sourced. I show Sarah born about 1800 in SC and the others born mostly in SC but some say NC or VA. With your information of both Laban and Susannah born in NC and married in NC, I wonder if you know about the family's residences and when they came to GA. I think I have them as residing in York, SC in 1820???
>
>Thanks for sharing.
>Julia Griffithjuliagriffith(a)msn.com> From: pmullinax(a)mindspring.com> To: CATLETT-L(a)rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:58:08 -0500> Subject: Re: [CATLETT] 2009 - Georgia Catletts> > > > And, now for the Walker County, Georgia Catletts. We have proven our line> back to Laban Catlett (abt. 1761, NC - 17 Aug 1845) and Susannah "Succa"> Hallen (abt. 1769, NC - 21 Jul 1852). Although census records list NC as> their birthplace, and we found their marriage bond there ("Franklin Co. NC> Marriage Bonds 1779-1868 With Marriage Register 1851-1867"), we came to a> standstill at knowing either's parentage. Their children are documented as:> Rev. William, Martha, Alsey, Clark, Sarah, Rebecca, Dr.& Col. John, Ezekiel,> Mary, Susannah and Elizabeth.> >
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Hi Pam --
Good to "see" you!!! I have a question for you, as I keep one eye open on any
discussion of the Lancaster County group, while trying to stick to later
Catletts, further north and northwest in VA. <g>
Very uncommon for children to be given middle names in the 17th century in
Virginia. So, here comes a tough question. What source or sources do you
have for the name Thomas Madison Catlett?
Also, I've come across several (and probably more) databases at Rootsweb that
show one of the key women who married into the Catlett with a very unusual
last name. I think the name was Lattico (or something like that) -- I need to
go back and find those again. I did query two of the database owners about it
in November or December and received no reply to my question. A search of the
name (whatever *it* was) turned up no other finds on the Internet. (My
thought was that maybe it was an error in translating a record and that it
perhaps was a given name (and not a surname) -- LETTICE or LETICIA.
Have you come across something like this in your searches of the Lancaster
Co., VA area?
Thanks in advance - to you and anyone else who can shed light on the names
"Thomas Madison CATLETT" and also the "Lattico" lady.
Pam Mullinax wrote:
<snipped>
> Speculation has been that Laban is the son of Hazelwood Catlett (abt.1738 -
> After 1773) who we have documented as early as 1757 in the early formation
> of NC (Bute/Granville/Franklin counties). We cannot make the tie, but there
> is a tie back from this Hazelwood to a Thomas Madison Catlett (bef.1680 -
> 1713) and Frances Haselwood (abt. 1681) who were married between 23 Dec 1699
> - 14 May 1701 in the Northern Neck of VA. Frances was the daughter of Thomas
> Haslewood and Mary Cole. Thomas Madison and Frances Haselwood had (at least)
> two children: Thomas and William (born 1700-1710). I'm pretty sure the
> William Catlett married Sarah Clark (daughter of Arthur Clark who died 1718
> probably in Lancaster Co., VA). William was the residual heir in his
> grandmother's will should Thomas her son and Thomas her grandson (William's
> brother) die.
<snipped>
>
> Who is Thomas Madison Catlett of Lancaster? It has been suggested he might
> be a son of Nicolas.
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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Pam, I noticed the Josiah Murray mentioned below. Is this the same man or a
descendant of the Josiah Murray who lived in or near Paris, Fauquier Co, VA?
I had an ancestor who lived in that vicinity. (Kimble Hicks) He was born in
PA, where an ancestor was named Morrey, aka & written Murray. I'd often
wondered if they were related; but never found anything.
Shirley S.
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From: "Pam Mullinax" <pmullinax(a)mindspring.com>
> Secondly, for Julia Griffith: It's good to know more about your line down
> from Sarah Catlett. I didn't know about her 2nd marriage, but I knew about
> her being married to a "BROWN" (1860 Census - Banks Co., 283, 4th Militia
> Dist., family #85 listed as "Rebecca A. Brown" in household alone next to
> her parents. Note: The surname Murry was originally written by the
> enumerator, then marked through and replaced with "Brown".) I had also
> known
> more about JOSIAH MURRAY'S family from his and Sarah's
> great-great-granddaughter, Wanda Morgan Coates. (Sarah/Josiah - Ezra
> Pruitt/Elizabeth Cochran - Lydia Pruitt/Benton Clark Morgan - John Ezra
> Morgan).
Thanks Pam for those notes on Laban Catlett and family. I really appreciate your input. I did know about Rebecca Ann Murrray's first marriage to Benjamin Brown. Folks back then had about as many marriages as we do now but because of death not divorce. I am concentrating my research on a couple of my lines (Morris and Varnell) because of some original documents that I have so it is great to get the scoop from folks who have really checked out anoher of my lines. Then I can write the family history I am doing for my sblings with confidence. Of course, if I should stumble over anything, I will let you all know.Julia Griffithjuliagriffith(a)msn.com
Hi,
I'm Cinda Kerr Jenney. My maternal grandfather was a descendant of George
Washington Catlett through his father, James A. Catlett. I have, from Noble
County census records, George's date of birth as 1858 in Nobel County, Oh and
died in 1938 in Mt. Ephraim, Ohio. From the 1880 Guernsey Co, Ohio census, I
have George listed as the son of James (nmi) Catlett and wife Mary (no maiden
name). Information listed for James states he as 64 and a farmer at the
time, born in Virginia and mother and father born in Virginia. Mary was 52 and
was listed as "Kitchen." She and her parents were born in Virginia.
Their children were listed as Almira, b. 1847
Hester A., b. 1848
William, b. 1849, m. Mary A. Law
Joseph, b. 1851, m. Eliza F. Bowersock
Samuel, b. 1854, m. Synthia J. Bowersock (they married 6/20/1873 in Noble Co
Olive b. 1856
George W, b. 1858
That is as far back as I was able to trace. This was a number of years ago,
and I just kind of quit searching. Anything after that would be great.
Hope this helps.
Cinda
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I list below what I know about the location of William Catlett in Noble
County which has its origin in 1851 tied to Guernsey and Monroe Counties as well
as from Morgan and Washington Counties.
Family stories report the death of William Catlett's parents at the hands of
Indians. That story has not been confirmed by solid evidence. However,
Ohio census data support the fact that William and his siblings were orphaned at
an early age. Family stories also reported that William lived with a
Triplett family following the death of his parents. Census data supports that
assertion.
The U.S. 1840 census for Ohio reveals the Mortimer Triplett family and the
Starr family lived in Beaver Township in Guernsey County. This may well be
how/why William Catlett met Hannah Starr, the future Mrs. William Catlett.
The U.S. 1850 census for Ohio reveals a William Collet (census taker sp
error?) living with the Triplett family in Beaver Township. His listed age of 16
squares with his birth year of about 1835. The 1850 record for Beaver
Township lists the Samuel Starr family as follows:
Samuel age 56
Mary age 50
James age 22
Mary age 20
Matilda age 17
Sarah age 16
Samuel age 14
Hannah age 12
William age 10
Elizabeth age 8
In the adjoining County of Monroe and the town of Calais, the 1850 census
lists Henry Catlett, age 10, living with the Winemiller family. Also, in
Calais, the 1850 census lists John Catlett, age 12, living with the Goodhart
family. So, it appears that William, Henry and John were "parcelled out" to othe
r families as family stories have suggested. Those stories said that other
members of the wagon train that was attacked by Indians took in the orphaned
Catlett children. Martha Jane, age 18, is listed as married to Nathan Meeks
Jr. and living in Monroe County, Wayne Township in Ohio.
These four apparent siblings, William, John, Henry and Martha eventually
migrated with their families to Sullivan County, Missouri.
In a message dated 1/15/2009 1:07:32 P.M. Central Standard Time,
tmg4me(a)comcast.net writes:
R Beattey wrote:
>
> This is in regard to Karon¢s e-mail to Lorri date January 13 about
Mortimer Triplett in Guernsey and Noble County Ohio.
> I am a grandson of Clara Catlett Beattey who was the daughter of George
Washington Catlett, a coal miner, in Noble County Ohio. My grandmother was
tight lipped about her family, but it seems as though George Washington Catlett
may have come from Virginia, and I think my grandmother had a cousin or two
of another surname in the Noble county area. Does anyone have a town name to
go with the Guernsey/Noble County local?
> Alan Beattey
Alan, do you have birth and death dates for your great-grandfather? Was he
likely to have been one of the orphans that have been mentioned in emails to
the list?
I've just started looking at the Catletts there in that area of Ohio and
still
trying to get my bearings. Dave Cox or Diana Dye may be able to answer that
question.
I'm still seeking a timeframe for when these kids were orphaned. We think
they have ties to Frederick, Hampshire, and Morgan Counties, Virginia (the
latter two now West Virginia counties).
Good luck and hope that we get some results on these kids' origins, as well
as
the origins of our great-grandfather.
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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From: "Lee Hoffman" <lhoffman(a)acm.org>
.......... snipped...............
> Weathers wrote:
>>A thief stole my computer on which my genealogy database was housed. I
>>have
>>not been able to open the backup copy on an external disk drive--so I
>>cannot
>>respond with information.
............. snipped..............
R Beattey wrote:
>
> This is in regard to Karon¢s e-mail to Lorri date January 13 about Mortimer Triplett in Guernsey and Noble County Ohio.
> I am a grandson of Clara Catlett Beattey who was the daughter of George Washington Catlett, a coal miner, in Noble County Ohio. My grandmother was tight lipped about her family, but it seems as though George Washington Catlett may have come from Virginia, and I think my grandmother had a cousin or two of another surname in the Noble county area. Does anyone have a town name to go with the Guernsey/Noble County local?
> Alan Beattey
Alan, do you have birth and death dates for your great-grandfather? Was he
likely to have been one of the orphans that have been mentioned in emails to
the list?
I've just started looking at the Catletts there in that area of Ohio and still
trying to get my bearings. Dave Cox or Diana Dye may be able to answer that
question.
I'm still seeking a timeframe for when these kids were orphaned. We think
they have ties to Frederick, Hampshire, and Morgan Counties, Virginia (the
latter two now West Virginia counties).
Good luck and hope that we get some results on these kids' origins, as well as
the origins of our great-grandfather.
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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Eston Catlett wrote:
>
> I've recently retired from a facilities management job and am hoping to be
> able to spend more time on the Walker County Catlett's (William, Laban,
> etc). Having trouble finding the connection to the original Virginia
> Catlett's. Would appreciate any help in that regard.
>
> Eston Catlett
> Seattle, WA
Hi Eston --
You have some cousins on the list, Pam Mullinax and Gary Treat, I believe,
unless they dropped off of the list earlier today.
I think y'all descend from Thomas Catlett and a HAZELWOOD, out of Lancaster
Co., VA. There's a possibility that those of us with Frederick Co., VA roots
also descend from this couple, but not sure we'll find the records to prove
it.
I hope Gary or Pam will have something to help you, if they haven't already.
And there may be others on the list as well, who have yet to post to the list
this year.
Good luck in your search!
-- Karon
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I posted a query similar to this one at Genforum.com in 1998 (before
establishment of this list).
A William CATLETT was enumerated in the Allegany Co., MD Federal Census of
1810. He was b. bef. 1765. Also in his household were a white female b. bef.
1765, a white male born 1784-1794 and another white male born 1794-1804.
William is listed on the same page, but not necessarily the same enumeration
district, as my 4th great-great grandparents, Daniel and Margaret LANTZ.
Their daughter Clarissa married George CATLETT, long said to be the son of
David CATLETT (b. ca. 1756, Pr. Wm. Co., VA). George was b. 12 Feb 1793. Was
he the son of the above William, instead of David (a Revolutionary War
soldier)?
Was William an uncle to George?
David CATLETT was living across the Potomac River in VA (Hampshire Co.) from
these MD families, in present-day Morgan Co., MD.
Were David and William brothers?
Was Dorothy CATLETT (m. John CAMPBELL), the only sibling of George? She born
in 1785.
This William was not accounted for in the Stubbs history of the Catletts, yet
because of the close proximity to those who were identified by Stubbss and the
relative rarity of the CATLETT surname, I can't help but think there's a close
connection.
-- Karon
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Greetings all! Happy Thursday, one day closer to the weekend!
It appears that a missing message from Sunday and one from Monday has found
its way to my mailbox, and hopefully yours, as well.
I seem to be missing a digest or two now. <sigh>
The Rootsweb mail administrator (overall administrator for all Rootsweb mail)
replied to my helpdesk ticket, Tuesday, indicating that if the mail wasn't
delivered within 48 hours, it could be considered gone forever.
So, given that news, check the archives to catch up with anything you might've
missed and if there's a message you want to reply to, copy and paste from the
list archives on the Web and address your reply either to the list or to the
individual. I did that with one or two emails last night. There are a couple
more that I want to reply to, but haven't had a chance as yet.
Continue reposting *if* it's been at least 2 full days (48 hours) since you
sent your original email. (Please, please, please, give it at least 48 hours
before resubmitting your email or query.
Not sure what to say about the Digests delivery issue now. Perhaps they've
held off delivering them until they get the regular mail out. The digests
don't get posted to the list's archives, so those who are subscribed in only
digest mode are sort of...uhm...out of luck.
One more item. Rootsweb did process the "bouncees" (those with undeliverable
addresses or those who chose to unsubscribe in the wee hours this morning.
the list currently has 50 users (including those like me who may be subscribed
in both modes). So, we have lost 20 or so people in the past two years, but
due to us not posting any messages, those addresses lingered.
-- Karon
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(reposted because it didn't seem to go through correctly the first time)
> Here your challenge -- make this list active again. Share your brickwalls
> "Catletts" (or closely related) with the list. Any other genealogy
> challenges
> related to the Catlett crew?
My Catletts were from Sevier County, Tennessee. In fact, in the earliest
extant censuses for Tennessee, the only Catletts anywhere in the state were
in Sevier County. The best I can tell, the first Catletts into Tennessee
were four brothers: John Catlett, Richard Catlett, Benjamin Catlett, and
Samuel Catlett. I have found Sevier County records for each of the four
brothers. They probably really were brothers, but to tell you the truth I
have never found really satisfactory proof to that effect even though lots
of researchers show them that way. The situation is not helped by the fact
that there was a courthouse fire in Sevier County in 1856. The four men are
said to have been the sons of a Reuben Catlett, but I have never found very
satisfactory proof of that, either. The only one of the four men still
living at the time of the 1880 census was Samuel. Samuel's 1880 census
entry says that his father was born in England and does not list a birth
place for his mother.
My nearest Catlett ancestor was my g grandmother Clarissa Loretta (Retta or
Rett) Nichols. She was known as Aunt Rett by her nieces and nephews. The
fact that her surname was Nichols rather than Catlett requires a little
explanation that I will get to below. Rett Nichols is famous in our family
for having gotten married at the age of 12, and for having married her
stepbrother George Cox. Strictly speaking, the marriage was not incestuous
because Rett and George were not blood kin, but it was still a little
strange. It came about because George's widowed father married Rett's
divorced mother. John Tivis Cox married Martha P. Reneau on 1 Nov 1882 in
Jefferson County, Tennessee (adjacent to Sevier County). It was of course
the second marriage for each. George Cox then married Rett Nichols on 9 Dec
1883 in Greene County, Tennessee - a year after their parents were married.
George Cox was 22 years old at the time of the marriage to go along with his
bride's age of 12. Rett continued to play with dolls after her marriage
until her mother went to her house and made her stop. Her mother told her
that married women did not play with dolls. Rett's first child was born
when she was 14, so I guess that would have put an end to the playing with
dolls, anyway.
Martha P. Reneau married Rett's father John H. B. Nichols on 8 Apr 1871 in
Jefferson County. John Nichols was born and raised in Sevier County. Even
though Sevier County and Jefferson County are adjacent, I'm always curious
how people living very far apart managed to meet and marry, given that the
only modes of transportation were really walking, horseback, and horse and
buggy.
In any case, John Nichols was the son of James P. Catlett and Sarah F.
(Sally) Nichols, where the story gets stranger still. James Catlett and
Sally Nichols had three children, Mary M. Nichols, Nancy Elizabeth Nichols,
and John H. B. Nichols. Because of the courthouse fire, I have no
confirmation that James and Sally were actually married. But I suspect they
were. Both families were very religious. One out of wedlock child was not
that uncommon, even in families of very religious people. But I find having
three out of wedlock children not to be very credible. In any case, there
was a Catlett-Nichols feud and a Catlett-Nichols lawsuit. The result of all
this was that James and Sally split up (I assume divorced), and that Sally
and her children took the Nichols surname rather than the Catlett surname.
The feud was because of religion (the Catletts were Baptist and the Nichols
were Methodist), and because of slavery (the Catletts owned slaves and were
pro-Confederacy in the Civil War, and the Nichols were anti-slavery and were
pro-Union in the Civil War).
Most of what I know about this situation is from a little book called "The
Nichols Book" by Wyatt Nichols, and the information was told to Wyatt by the
aforementioned John H. B. Nichols who was Wyatt's grandfather. Wyatt was
born in 1896 and John died in 1926, so there was ample time for the two of
them to have had these conversations. However, Wyatt's book does not refer
to James P. Catlett by name. Rather, it just refers to him as the "Catlett
man" of Sally Nichols. So figuring out which Catlett was Sally's "Catlett
man" has been a challenge. There are a few clues. Even though the Sevier
County courthouse burned down in 1856, a few records were not in the
courthouse at the time. I have found a list of warrants, although not the
text of the warrant themselves. One of the warrants was sworn in 1851 by
Sally Nichols against James P. Catlett. Another clue is that the death
certificate of John H. B. Nichols says that his parents were James C.
Nichols and Sally Nichols. Well, I can tell you from many hours research
that there was no James C. Nichols in Sevier county, nor James anything
Nichols of an age to have been the father of John H. B. Nichols. So I think
that "James C. Nichols" was "James Catlett Nichols" who was really James P.
Catlett.
As far as other death certificates go, John's sister Nancy Elizabeth Nichols
died in 1911. Tennessee death certificates did not start including the
names of the parents until 1914. John's sister Mary M. Nichols died in
1928, but did not have a death certificate. In any case, she was probably
the last one who knew the secret of the identity of James P. Catlett, and
indeed she was the informant on John's death certificate in 1926.
As far as census data goes, the only three possible candidates to have been
Sally's Nichols' man were the brothers William S. (Will) Catlett, James P.
Catlett, and Henry S. Catlett. All the other Catlett men were too old, too
young, or too married. The brothers were the sons of the aforementioned
Benjamin Catlett, presumed to have been the son of the aforementioned Reuben
Catlett. For a long time, I guessed that the father of Sally's children was
Will Catlett because he was the only one of the three brothers who never
married (or married again). But the Sally Nichols vs. James P. Catlett
warrant and the death certificate of John Nichols now persuade me otherwise.
James P. Catlett did get married twice more. He married Sarah McMahan about
1851 (still before the fire). Their first child Benjamin Catlett was born
on 25 Nov 1851. He married Nancy Matilda Mullendore on 9 Nov 1876 (after
the fire, so there is a courthouse marriage record).
Going back to "The Nichols Book" just for a second, the following is some
text from the book. It suggests that Sally Nichols and her Catlett man were
prevented from being married, and that the lawsuit was in 1850.
The man who she most desperately wanted to marry, but because of a bigger
feud between some of the Nichols and Catlett families, they were prevented
from completely fulfilling their married life as the feud had been long and
bitter. In 1850 the Nichols and Catletts went into court in reference to
this matter and a settlement was made where Sally Nichols and her children
were to retain the name of Nichols. She lived the remainder of her life in
Sevierville, Tennessee. She died sometime in the 1880's or early 1890'd and
is buried in the Shiloh Cemetery near Sevierville where many of the early
Nichols are buried and her father, mother, and three children.
Finally, here is the 1850 census entry for Sally and her children. Sally
age 25 was living with her widowed mother Margaret Scantling age 49. Wyatt
age 21 and Clarissa age 18 were her brother and sister. Mary age 7, Nancy
age 5, and John age 8/12 were her children. If the lawsuit was truly in
1850, then the lawsuit took place when John was still an infant.
12th Eastern Subdivision, Sevier County, Tennessee, 11 Sep 1850
p.414a, HN 397, FN 397
Nichols Margaret 49 f w $170 VA
Sarah 25 f w TN
Wiet 21 m w TN
Clerisa 18 f w TN attended school
Mary 7 f w TN attended school
Nancy 5 f w TN
John 8/12 m w TN
Jerry Bryan
This is in regard to Karon’s e-mail to Lorri date January 13 about Mortimer Triplett in Guernsey and Noble County Ohio.
I am a grandson of Clara Catlett Beattey who was the daughter of George Washington Catlett, a coal miner, in Noble County Ohio. My grandmother was tight lipped about her family, but it seems as though George Washington Catlett may have come from Virginia, and I think my grandmother had a cousin or two of another surname in the Noble county area. Does anyone have a town name to go with the Guernsey/Noble County local?
Alan Beattey
--- On Wed, 1/14/09, catlett-request(a)rootsweb.com <catlett-request(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
From: catlett-request(a)rootsweb.com <catlett-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: CATLETT Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
To: catlett(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Wednesday, January 14, 2009, 3:00 AM
Today's Topics:
1. William TRIPLETT and Ms CATLETT (Lori Lair) (Karon Bosze)
2. Sevier Co. TN (Reuben, Benjamin Catlett) & NICHOLS (Karon Bosze)
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:51:16 -0500
From: Karon Bosze <tmg4me(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [CATLETT] William TRIPLETT and Ms CATLETT (Lori Lair)
To: catlett-l(a)rootsweb.com
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LTNS!
Lori --
Have you ever heard of a Mortimer TRIPLETT, born in Loudoun Co., VA, son of
James. Was in Guernsey Co., OH, which later formed part of Noble Co., OH (ca.
1840s)? Two or more online articles on Mortimer's son and grandson (I
think). Both named F.M. (Francis Marion) TRIPLETT. Successful farmers, I
believe.
Connection to the Catletts a bit scanty. Several CATLETT children orphaned,
possibly as a result of an Indian attack on a wagon train. One child either
taken in by Mortimer TRIPLETT or was apprenticed to same.
Did I look up the Tripletts in Fleet's books? I'm thinking I went
through GHS
King's Triplett folder looking for Ms Catlett's first name, but I'm
not
certain. Was at the VHA three times the week between Xmas and New Years
looking at his HARRISON folders (6 in toto).
-- Karon
Lori, you wrote <included in digest version>:
>If you're looking for organized it's not me! I moved in June and
left
>my desktop behind. I still haven't loaded TMG on this machine yet!
I'm
>not sure what books I packed either, so I may or may not be able to help
>out with lookups in VA. Seems to me you [Karon] had already picked
>through Beverley Fleet abstracts though, so it may be a moot point.
>
>Still searching for info on the illusive William Triplett (1719-1822)
>and Ms. Catlett (????-????) who produced their children somewhere in
>Fauquier Co. ca 1760-1780.
-- Karon
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-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:04:00 -0500
From: Karon Bosze <tmg4me(a)comcast.net>
Subject: [CATLETT] Sevier Co. TN (Reuben, Benjamin Catlett) & NICHOLS
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Jerry, for brevity I'm not going to quote for your posting, but I will
comment:
WOW!
Please check the list archives for Jerry Bryan's posting on his family.
(Rootsweb's list administrator reports that if a message has not posted
within
48 hours, it's lost forever). Jerry posted his message about 36 hours ago,
so
I'm inclined to think that it only went to the digest (although I've
seen no
new digest, so that digest may be lost as well.
The names Benjamin and Reuben are part of the Caroline Co., VA group -- which
from whom descends Sherley DeStefano. Maybe Sherley may have some insight
into your Catlett line.
-- Karon
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Jerry, for brevity I'm not going to quote for your posting, but I will
comment:
WOW!
Please check the list archives for Jerry Bryan's posting on his family.
(Rootsweb's list administrator reports that if a message has not posted within
48 hours, it's lost forever). Jerry posted his message about 36 hours ago, so
I'm inclined to think that it only went to the digest (although I've seen no
new digest, so that digest may be lost as well.
The names Benjamin and Reuben are part of the Caroline Co., VA group -- which
from whom descends Sherley DeStefano. Maybe Sherley may have some insight
into your Catlett line.
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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LTNS!
Lori --
Have you ever heard of a Mortimer TRIPLETT, born in Loudoun Co., VA, son of
James. Was in Guernsey Co., OH, which later formed part of Noble Co., OH (ca.
1840s)? Two or more online articles on Mortimer's son and grandson (I
think). Both named F.M. (Francis Marion) TRIPLETT. Successful farmers, I
believe.
Connection to the Catletts a bit scanty. Several CATLETT children orphaned,
possibly as a result of an Indian attack on a wagon train. One child either
taken in by Mortimer TRIPLETT or was apprenticed to same.
Did I look up the Tripletts in Fleet's books? I'm thinking I went through GHS
King's Triplett folder looking for Ms Catlett's first name, but I'm not
certain. Was at the VHA three times the week between Xmas and New Years
looking at his HARRISON folders (6 in toto).
-- Karon
Lori, you wrote <included in digest version>:
>If you're looking for organized it's not me! I moved in June and left
>my desktop behind. I still haven't loaded TMG on this machine yet! I'm
>not sure what books I packed either, so I may or may not be able to help
>out with lookups in VA. Seems to me you [Karon] had already picked
>through Beverley Fleet abstracts though, so it may be a moot point.
>
>Still searching for info on the illusive William Triplett (1719-1822)
>and Ms. Catlett (????-????) who produced their children somewhere in
>Fauquier Co. ca 1760-1780.
-- Karon
"A genealogy compilation without sources might as well be fiction."
-- Karon M. Bosze, 26 Jan 2000
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