Hi Jere,
The numbers should be read from left to right. Think of them as the branch
of a tree. The Left number is the larger branch and with each number to the
right, another smaller branch. We are R1b1c6
Your cuz,
Bruce
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From: cates-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cates-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Jere
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:26 PM
To: cates-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CATES-DNA] A Cate/s DNA Line
Bruce, I am completely lost regarding DNA halogroups, but since we come from
the same line (Richard/Nancy Cates), are we group 6 and 7. And since my
hard drive crashed, I have lost all of my emails regarding our line.
However, I do have the ySearch emails, luckily. Jere Cates Gainey
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From: cates-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cates-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Bruce Cates
Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:23 AM
To: cates-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CATES-DNA] A Cate/s DNA Line
Greetings cousins!
I apologize for the quietness of this group but hopefully we're going to
change that from this point on. Following, is an analysis of my particular
haplotype and us Haplogroup. Those of you who match closely to me in the
DNA study can reasonably project that this is also your Haplogroup and your
origins.
Some of you were privy to a conversation earlier this fall concerning the
R1b1c9 Haplogroup. Many people mistakenly consider it to be a Germanic
Haplogroup when in fact it is a Celt racial group. As previously pointed
out, we can thank the Romans for this confusion. The Roman legions avoided
the area east of the Rhine River mostly because of the fierceness of the
peoples who live there. They named the area east of the Rhine River
Germania and subsequently in their mind, anyone who lived in Germania was
German. The reality was quite different. In this area were not only the
truly Germanic tribes such as the Tetons, etc., also a large number of
Celtic tribes whose language, culture, and ritual were substantially
different.
You will please note on the following document, paragraph numbers two and
three. My particular bloodline and subsequently many of yours is believed
to have originated in the Iberian Peninsula depending upon which geneticist
you choose to believe, somewhere between 15 and 30,000 years ago. The line
traveled up through France to Ireland, Scotland, and northern England. From
there it spread out in a great many directions and can be found in small
groups throughout Europe.
Given that this information fits quite well with a great deal of supporting
documentation and the general distribution of the R1b1c6 and R1b1c7
Haplogroups I offer it for your review. Please note for those of you who
are genetically close to my line we are NOT members of the R1b1c9
Haplogroup.
Your comments and thoughts are invited and much appreciated.
Bruce Cates
R1b1c : M173+ M207+ M269+ M343+ P25+ M126- M153- M160- M18- M222- M37-
M65- M73- P66- SRY2627-
Subject: Bruce A. Cates
Here are the percentages of each Y-SNP for those customers who tested
M269+. Clearly there are some SNPs in the subclade testing that have failed
to show up (and as well have not been seen more than once in the academic
literature), but our customer data is skewed with little representation from
for example Eastern Europe (although it is rare there in relation to the
west of Europe):
R1b1c* (no subclade SNP tested positive) - 57%
R1b1c6 (SRY2627; M167) - 2%
R1b1c7 (M222) - 7%
R1b1c9 (S21+) - 25%
R1b1c10 (S28+) - 13%
Some observations:
1) R1b1c* is the aboriginal M269 population. Over time we will find more
SNPs to parse this out. At present in Britain and Ireland for example it
likely points to Q-Celt and part of the P-Celt population.
2) R1b1c6 arose in Southern Spain and radiated north to Southern England
and Ireland.
3) R1b1c7 is doubtless a recent mutation on M269 Y-chromosomes and is
confined to those whose ancestry is traced to Northwest Ireland (although it
may occur elsewhere as a result of migration, or if Spain or France perahps
because the first M222 emerged there).
4) R1b1c9 is the classic Germanic marker (predominating in Friesland and
Norway). It has however been observed in a Celtic region of Britain and
doubtless reflects the migration of the Belgae peoples whose territory
included part of Friesland. Generally, however, if in England this would
reflect a Northern German or Scadinavian ancestry. It has not been seen in
Southern Germany to date. If northern Wales then Belgae (a mixed Celtic -
Germanic group that migrated to Britain just prior to the Roman era).
5) R1b1c10 is a classic Celtic Hallstadt - La Tane marker. It is
specifically found in Celtic populations that emerged from the Thraco -
Cimmerian migration (circa 700 BC) to Switzerland, the Balkans and Eastern
Europe to the Jutland Penninsula where the Celtic Cimbri peoples (ancestors
to part of the Belgae of France and Belgium) called home from about 500 BC.
In England it will be found only along the East coastal areas (Danelaw) via
Danish Viking migrations from Himmerland (Limfjord in Denmark). If from
Kent it may mean Jutish. If from SE Norway or Southern Sweden a "spill
over" from Skagen to Mariager Fjord in the northern part of the Jutland
Penninsula. If from France then Belgae whose territory included the English
Channel south to below Paris and with links to the Helvetia in Switzerland.
If from Northern Wales then Belgae forced to move north with the advance of
the Romans or Saxons.
The above is what is suggested by the data to date. It is not meant to be
comprehensive. It is a working hypothesis and represents the views of
myself not necessarily those of Dr. Wilson or Ethnoancestry.
David Faux.
Dr. David K.W. Faux
President
Ethnoancestry USA, Inc.
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