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Yesterday, when the item with S. Henry as supposed father of Rebecca Cate's
'Base Born' child came through I thought "There's the answer".
After reading it again and the posting that just came through the Base Born
child could not have been C. L. Cate because he was born in 1818 and this
child's record is in the court records btw 1812 & 1814.
New poser: is this a different Rebecca Cate or did she have more than one
Base Born child? It seems highly UNLIKELY that the Dumplin Church would
wait until 1818 to condemn Rebecca as I have read alot of church records
from that era and they 'got right to the matter'. SO it appears that there
were at least 2 Base Born children born to a Rebecca Cate in that time frame
in Jefferson Co, TN.
I think a closer look at the Jefferson CO Tn court records would be a wise
decision.
Regards, Bettye
Regards, Bettye
Am looking for the parents and/or siblings of Isaiah Cates/Kates (b.
circa 1817 in Tennessee or North Carolina; d. circa 1858 in southwestern
Missouri) who married Nancy Shelton (b. circa 1827 in Tennesse or Missouri;
d. circa 1895 in McKinney, Texas), daughter of William and Mary Shelton.
Isaiah and Nancy were settled in Perry County, Tennessee in 1850 but later
moved to Dent County, Missouri where they resided in 1860. They had seven
children named Margera, Sarah, George, Isaiah Jr., Joel, JOHN CONLEY (my
great grandfather) and Bette Elizabeth, all born betwen 1842 and 1859.
Have run into a stone wall trying to find the parents/siblings of Isaiah.
They possibly were in Giles County, Tennessee in 1840. Any help would be
most appreciated. Thanks...
--Dave Masonhall
<dmasonhall(a)coinet.com>
Hi, I checked the microfilm again and think I understand what Edgar was
saying. "Wednesday September 16th, 1812
"Court met according to adjournment Present Thomas Snoddy, John McDonald
and Tideance Lane Esqrs.
p. 74 Wednesday Sept. 16th 1812
John CATE Esqr paid into office three dollars twelve and a half cents
collected of Samuel HENRY for being the reputed father of a base begotten
child on the body of Rebekah CATE." Source: Microfil Roll No. 25, Jefferson
County, TN 1792-1818 Jefferson County Court Minutes. Purchased from the
Tennessee State Library and Archives. Ann
"Noah CATE was born in Jefferson County, Tennessee, May 17, 1805. He was
one of eleven children, eight sons and three daughters. His father, John
CATE, was a native of North Carolina but setttled in East Tennessee at an
early day. "
Noah CATE was was received "by experience" and approved for baptism by the
Dumplin Church, baptised by Elder Duke Kimbrough, the pastor.
Noah married Mrs. Margaret M. Lee, widow of Samuel J. Lee of Hawkins Co TN.
August 15, 1833.
Noah was "six feet two inches tall, of a powerful frame etc" a lot of
information about Noah and apparently Borums's, "Sketches" continues on this
family as well as others. Noah had dark hazel eyes, set deep in his head,
his hair was black, his complexion dar, he head somewhat bald." Source:
SKETCHES OF TENNESSEE'S PIONEER BAPTIST PREACHERS, by J. J. Burnett.
Ann elderbrooks.msn.com
Hi again,
In regards to the thread on my g-grandfather, C. L. Cate, the explanation
on bastardy bonds by Bettye and the one on the early court proceedings by
Edgar were very interesting and very much appreciated. I think they also
served to dispel the 1812-1814 court minutes entry as having an impact on
my search for the father of C. L. Therefore, I would like to make another
request that someone might know about.
In trying to think of any documentation that might have the names of one's
parents listed, I wondered if enlistment and discharge papers were
available for the Creed War. Charles L. enlisted at Sevierville July,
1836, and was discharged at Calhoun, TN. on 8 July, 1837. If they are
available, does anyone know where to get them? I have all of his pension
papers already.
I understand that death certificates were not required in TN. until 1914
and he died in 1901. Other than marriage certificates, can anyone suggest
other documents that might be helpful?
Evelyn
Does anyone have anything on Gideon CATE?
Dawson says "Rev. Commodore Cate is issue of Gideon Cate & Commodore
was of Indiana" (Pg. 2 & Pg 4).
Roberta
Distribution:
To: <Name Not Given> CATE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> "Trimble, Tenn....OBITUARY.....Moore-On October 3, 1910, the life of Bro.
H.
> H. MOORE went out, creating a void in the community and home and church
> which never can be filled. He had been in feeble health for many months.
> but was hopeful throughout his illness. His friends and devoted family
did
> what they could, but were powerless to stay the death angel. He was born
> February 7, 1829; was married to Rebecca E. CATE, February 14, 1860. His
Ann - I show this to be Rebecca Emaline Cate, dau of Elisha Porter Cate.
Rebecca married Henry Moore as follows:
1. HENRY H.1 MOORE was born Feb 07, 1829, and died Oct 03, 1910 in
Trimble, Jefferson, TN. He married REBECCA EMALINE CATE Feb 14, 1860 in ,
Sevier, Tn., daughter of ELISHA CATE and MARY NEWMAN.
Census: 1860/1870/1880 Jefferson Co. Tn.
Buried: Shady Grove Cem., , Jefferson, Tn.
More About REBECCA EMALINE CATE:
Buried: , Jefferson, Tn.
Cemetery: Shady Grove Cemetery
Children of HENRY MOORE and REBECCA CATE are:
i. EMET C.2 MOORE.
ii. JOHN NELSON MOORE, b. 1862, Jefferson, Tn.; d. Oct 08, 1947, Knox,
Tn.; m. EDNA FIELDS PICKLE, Dec 24, 1895, Knox, Tn..
iii. RUFUS L. MOORE, b. 1864, Jefferson, Tn.; m. NANNIE MCSPADDEN, Jan
17, 1894.
iv. OLLIE G. MOORE, b. 1865, Jefferson, Tn.; m. WADE SAWYERS.
v. CYNTHIA A. MOORE, b. 1868.
vi. WILLIAM H. MOORE, b. Abt. 1871.
vii. MARIE MOORE, b. Abt. 1873.
viii. JOSEPH W. MOORE, b. Abt. 1875.
ix. E. PERRY MOORE, b. Abt. 1878.
Terri Adams
SKETCHES OF TENNESSEE'S PIONEER BAPTIST PREACHERS, by J. J. Burnett,
Copyright 1919 (1985 The Overmountain Press, Johnson City TN). Page
109-"MICHAEL CATE, son of John and Mary Cate, was born in Jefferson County,
Tennessee, December 20, 1808. He belongs to a family and generation of
preachers. Michael had two brothers who were preachers Noah and William
CATE. Sept. 5, 1828, the Dumplin Church received Michael CATE "by
experience and baptism" April 11, 1835, he was ordained deacon by the same
church and served his church faithfully in this capacity for fifteen or
sixteen years.
After the division of Dumplin Church, April, fourth Saturday, 1839, after
"the Anti-mission" brethern had entered their protests against "foreign
missions etc. Michale CATE, as the records show, stands as one of the
twelve firm pillars, supporting "on constitutional principles"...May 28,
1833 he married Mary French of Jefferson Co.; November 25, 1838 he married a
second time to Nancy Reneau. His home was near Dumplin Church. July 2,
1890, Brother CATE closed his earthly career, wept for as a citizen, honored
as a "father in Israel," his memory cherished by all who knew him." This is
a good source for the children of John and Mary Cate. Ann
"SKETCHES OF TENNESSEE'S PIONEER BAPTIST PREACHERS," by J. J. Burnett,
Original Copyright 1919, Copyright 1985 by The Overmountain Press, Johnson
City, Tennessee, p. 225. I know I did this-"M. C. Higdon-Michael Columbus
Higdon, a son of Deacon Thomas and Rebecca (CATE) Higdon was born January
30, 1823, in Jeferson County. TN. One of 15 children, ten sons & five
daughters. The oldest of five brothers who became ordained Baptist
preachers. His father moved to McMinn Co., TN when Higdon was a small boy.
Remaining two or three years, he moved to Monroe, locating about four miles
from Tellico Plains. Receiving a limited education from the public schools
of the county. It gives who he married etc. NOTE:" Father Higdon, who has
been a preacher for fifty-six years, was present (at the Eastanallee
Association), giving inspiration and encouragement to the brethern." (J. J.
Burnett, in report to BAPTIST and REFLECTOR, September 27, 1900.)" Edgar
Higdon has since departed to be with Christ."
I posted that last week or the the first of this week...see you tomorrow,
Ann
Dear Evelyn and all,
I've been following your discussion concerning Charles Lawrence Cate. I
wonder if anyone has contacted the Jefferson County people to see if John
Cate's JP docket book might survive? It is evident from the entry "John
Cate Esq, paid into office ..." that he had held the hearing on the charge
of bastardy in his "office", probably his own home. Samuel Henry being
charged as the father of the child, was either paying ordered support or
something for the care of his "base begotten child", or just the costs
involved in hearing the case.
It would be unlikely that any other record would appear in the Pleas and
Quarter Sessions Court minutes unless Samuel Henry requested appeal before
the whole court. These bastardy cases were generally heard before a Justice
and were referred to the Pleas and Quarter Sessions Court only if there
were some contest to the Justice's ruling. The case could also be sent to
the Circuit Court and a trial by jury requested by the defendant, i. e.
Samuel Henry, in either court.
This raises another question. If John Cate had heard the case, it would be
unlikely that Rebecca was his daughter. If John had been the father of
Rebecca or even an uncle, then Samuel Henry would have grounds to take the
case to Circuit on a conflict of interest. Unless of course, he freely had
admitted that he fathered the child.
The old JP docket books are a storehouse of information, but in most
counties few if any, survive. The JP was, I believe, required by law to
turn over his record books upon leaving the jurisdiction, losing his
office, or in death. But this did not always happen. Here in Wayne County,
Tennessee I researched many pre-1850 JP docket books which had been stored
in the courthouse attic. The pages were full of charges brought for
Tresspass, theft, problems dealing with the public roads, and bastardy. One
of my gggg-uncles was charged before a JP in 1844 for fathering a child out
of wedlock. Rather than face the consequences, he fled the state going to
Arkansas where he began a lawyer, and later a Probate Judge and still later
a State District Court Judge. He never returned to Tennessee except as a
Major in the Confederate Army during the Civil War.
It is possible that gggg-uncle didn't father the child, as the woman who
brought the charges already had two "base born" children at the time and
would later have several more. She was, as we would say today, a "working
girl". I have somewhere in my notes the names of the supposed fathers of
some of her children. I refrain for using the material because the
original JP docket book was destroyed in the courthouse fire in 1972 and no
other record now survives.
If I'm incorrect in my interpretation of the situation in the quote in the
first paragraph above, please let me know. This was how it was explained to
me by the late John F. Morrison, lawyer, of Lawrenceburg who had heard it
from his father, a lawyer, J.P., judge, and historian.
Edgar
Edgar D. Byler, III
edby3(a)netease.net
Editor, Wayne County Historian
Wayne County, Tennessee, USA
Wayne County Web Page: http://www.netease.net/wayne
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> From: Bob Spencer <bspen(a)aye.net>
> To: Cate-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Unidentified subject!
> Date: Friday, January 23, 1998 12:45 PM
>
> Hi,
>
> In response to Ann's post concerning Charles Lawrence Cate, I wondered if
> this is the item she was referring to in the Jefferson County Court
> Minutes:
>
> Vol 6, Ph. 74, 1812-1814:
>
> 'John Cate Esquire paid into office $3.12 1/2 collected of Samuel Henry
for
> being the reputed father of a base begotten child on the body of Rebecca
> Cate.'
>
> Inasmuch as he was then the Justice of the Peace I didn't know whether
this
> was a personal matter or an official duty. Perhaps someone familiar with
> the court system at that time might shed some light.
>
> This is the description of the burial of Charles Lawrence Cate and his
> half-brother, Elijah C. Higdon, that Ann referred to:
>
> C.L.Cate's half-brother, Thomas A. Cate, wrote Laurence Hogan (a
> granddaughter of C. L. Cate) in 1913 that he "had one brother who was
born
> after C. L. Cate left Tennessee, grew to manhood and was an able
preacher,
> only 20 years old when he was killed in the Civil War, was brought home
and
> buried. C.L.Cate came to east Tenn. and died at my brother's house
(Calvin
> Higdon's house) and we buried him by the side of the youngest brothers
> grave. It was a strange coincidence the oldest and youngest of 15
children,
> both ministers, of the gospel who had never met in life lay side by side
in
> death. I had a monument put up a the head of their graves showing that
> strange coincidence.' "
>
> Ann asked about his Lawrence name. Charles Lawrence said in a deposition
> that he was named "after a great uncle Charles Cate and the brave Captain
> Lawrence, of the Navy", and his half-brothers, Michael C. Higdon and
Thomas
> A. Higdon, made similar statements. I checked this out in the
Britannica,
> and there was a very important U. S. Naval Commander in the war of 1812
> named James Lawrence. Since Charles Lawrence was born on the heels of
this
> war, it certainly is possible that he was named for this famous man,
> rather than for a blood relative. As far as I know, there were no
Lawrences
> in the John, Jr. line. However, to give some credance to the theory that
> John, Sr.'s wife was a Lawarence, Thomas Higdon said, "My grandmother was
a
> Lawrence. They came from England, I think, in the 17th century. There is
> where the name came from, in our family."
>
> Very significant to me is that they were very specific in saying that he
> was named for a great Uncle Charles. Again, as far as I know, there were
no
> Charles' in the John, Jr. line, either. I was quite sure that I would
find
> C. L.'s father in the Robert Cate line, but he never quite fit anywhere.
If
> he was illegitimate, it certainly seems unlikely Rebecca would have named
> him for someone on his father's side of the family! Maybe someone has an
> idea on this.
>
> Extensive research on Charles Lawrence Cate's sisters was done by
Amanda's
> great granddaughter, Pauline Crawford Miller, and it is from her that my
> information about both girls came. This is what she said about Nancy:
>
> "I don't know anything about Rev. C. L. and my Amanda's sister, Nancy,
> except her name was Miller in 1869. She was in Washington Co., Ark.,
wrote
> Amanda they were going to Union County, Illinois; it is Mr. Miller's
native
> home. She speaks of Rebecca marrying George W. Isaac. Mentions Samuel. I
> figure they are her children. Rebecca was name of Nancy's mother and
Nancy
> named a dau. after her. I tried to get a toe hold on Nancy by research in
> Ark. and Union Co., Ill. but nothing came to light. Course I had nothing
to
> work from except the scant info. above in the letters. From knowing Rev.
C.
> L.'s birthdate and my Amanda's, I estimate Nancy was b. 1820."
>
> Ann, I hope this clears a few things up for you, and possibly for someone
else.
>
> Evelyn Spencer
>
Hi,
In response to Ann's post concerning Charles Lawrence Cate, I wondered if
this is the item she was referring to in the Jefferson County Court
Minutes:
Vol 6, Ph. 74, 1812-1814:
'John Cate Esquire paid into office $3.12 1/2 collected of Samuel Henry for
being the reputed father of a base begotten child on the body of Rebecca
Cate.'
Inasmuch as he was then the Justice of the Peace I didn't know whether this
was a personal matter or an official duty. Perhaps someone familiar with
the court system at that time might shed some light.
This is the description of the burial of Charles Lawrence Cate and his
half-brother, Elijah C. Higdon, that Ann referred to:
C.L.Cate's half-brother, Thomas A. Cate, wrote Laurence Hogan (a
granddaughter of C. L. Cate) in 1913 that he "had one brother who was born
after C. L. Cate left Tennessee, grew to manhood and was an able preacher,
only 20 years old when he was killed in the Civil War, was brought home and
buried. C.L.Cate came to east Tenn. and died at my brother's house (Calvin
Higdon's house) and we buried him by the side of the youngest brothers
grave. It was a strange coincidence the oldest and youngest of 15 children,
both ministers, of the gospel who had never met in life lay side by side in
death. I had a monument put up a the head of their graves showing that
strange coincidence.' "
Ann asked about his Lawrence name. Charles Lawrence said in a deposition
that he was named "after a great uncle Charles Cate and the brave Captain
Lawrence, of the Navy", and his half-brothers, Michael C. Higdon and Thomas
A. Higdon, made similar statements. I checked this out in the Britannica,
and there was a very important U. S. Naval Commander in the war of 1812
named James Lawrence. Since Charles Lawrence was born on the heels of this
war, it certainly is possible that he was named for this famous man,
rather than for a blood relative. As far as I know, there were no Lawrences
in the John, Jr. line. However, to give some credance to the theory that
John, Sr.'s wife was a Lawarence, Thomas Higdon said, "My grandmother was a
Lawrence. They came from England, I think, in the 17th century. There is
where the name came from, in our family."
Very significant to me is that they were very specific in saying that he
was named for a great Uncle Charles. Again, as far as I know, there were no
Charles' in the John, Jr. line, either. I was quite sure that I would find
C. L.'s father in the Robert Cate line, but he never quite fit anywhere. If
he was illegitimate, it certainly seems unlikely Rebecca would have named
him for someone on his father's side of the family! Maybe someone has an
idea on this.
Extensive research on Charles Lawrence Cate's sisters was done by Amanda's
great granddaughter, Pauline Crawford Miller, and it is from her that my
information about both girls came. This is what she said about Nancy:
"I don't know anything about Rev. C. L. and my Amanda's sister, Nancy,
except her name was Miller in 1869. She was in Washington Co., Ark., wrote
Amanda they were going to Union County, Illinois; it is Mr. Miller's native
home. She speaks of Rebecca marrying George W. Isaac. Mentions Samuel. I
figure they are her children. Rebecca was name of Nancy's mother and Nancy
named a dau. after her. I tried to get a toe hold on Nancy by research in
Ark. and Union Co., Ill. but nothing came to light. Course I had nothing to
work from except the scant info. above in the letters. From knowing Rev. C.
L.'s birthdate and my Amanda's, I estimate Nancy was b. 1820."
Ann, I hope this clears a few things up for you, and possibly for someone else.
Evelyn Spencer
Hi, Monday I was off and I had J. J. Burnette's "Sketches of Tennessee's
Pioneer Baptist Preachers" something to that extent. I was working on John
Jr. or Esq children. Rebecca Cate did marry "Deacon Thomas Higdon" most of
the article was devoted to Michael I cannot find the book it is buried.
Michael Columbus Higdon three pages and apparently J. J. Burnette thought a
lot of this man, half brother of Charles Lawrence Cate. I know that I found
John Cate going to court and paying $2.00 for this child and the way it was
worded in those, day, base begotten before birth. The father was named and
it was not a Lawrence or John Cate.
I have or had a similiar letter from Ruth a long time ago. Michael Higdon
was the eldest of 15 children, I will not give the division I will look it
up again. It did not name the children. Charles Lawrence is bur. Polk Co I
think next to Michael Columbus Cate. I have seen the diary also.
The Amanda and Nancy and "you have two sisters"??? The 5-10 year old female,
we all better start checking again. I have not read the Polk Co TN census,
I did read McMinn but that was 1850 census; found no marriages but will
check again in Boyer's book.
Question? Where did the name Lawrence come from?
Roberta & all this is the most interesting puzzle I've seen and it is a
puzzle.
Will be back. I flipped through the county court minutes several months ago
about this same issue. But I will have to read them all again. I did not
transcribe this one.
Thanks, it is good to have this,
Ann
I thought Bettye did a fine job with her explanation, I have found them in
the county court minutes, the early ones have many more than later court
records. I do agree about reference to the child, as we have a similar
situation in not only the Cate line but another line and much closer.
Grandchildren are still living and it would be so very painful for this to
be printed/published. I mentioned this to my Mother a few years ago, she
could not believe I had found it without looking of course. My Mother said,
"this would just break Daddy's heart if he knew you knew." "Daddy" was her
father, it did not involve him but someone close to the family.
I hope we all know how vulnerable we are today, most of us have children and
very few of these grown children live single. It is our history, but it is
nothing new. I knew of this. Roberta you did a fine job with your work, no
problem at all to you or the posting. Ann elderbrooks(a)msn.com
In as much as I am the one who mentioned Bastard Bonds I decided that I need
to add a clarification on them.
While it is true that most counties had the bonds they only existed when the
mother of the illegitimate child filed a claim in the court seeking support
for the child from the father. This DID NOT happen in every instance so you
will not find a bond for every illegitimate child born in those days.
They are called BASTARD BONDS but the child was described as 'a base born
child' in the court records. Unless someone has gone through the records
and compiled and published a list of the Bastard Bonds for a county you will
have to search through the court's records as they were just part of the
normal activity of the court and thus are mixed in the records with other
actions. Frequently the father will not be named and the only action will
be to assign the child to another adult to teach a trade and see that they
receive 1 yr of schooling.
I should have clarified my thought more on the Charles Lawrence Cate poser.
It would seem to me that in normal conversation he might have been called
"John Cate's boy" when referred to in a conversation when what was really
meant was John Cate's grandson. Since he lived with his granfather for
several yrs it would seem that it could easily been expressed that way (John
Cate's boy).
I know from personal experience that none of us remember things exactly as
they were when we were toddlers and often family lore becomes entangles with
the way things were.
Families kept secrets when things occurred that they did not wish 'blabbed
about'. My ggmother remarried after the death of my ggf in Monroe CO TN.
She married a man with 3 sons, one of whom raped her dght (my g aunt). That
resulted in the birth of a child to a 14 yr old girl... and for a VERY long
time it WAS NOT discussed period.
There was also incest in those days the same as today but it was NEVER
discussed. So when you start looking for the unknown father of a 'base
born' child you have to consider several possibilities.
Regards, Bettye
Regards, Bettye
Hi,
I appreciate very much Roberta's posting concerning my great grandfather,
Charles Lawrence Cate, as well as Bettye's and Allan's responses. I have
been searching for his father for more than 20 years and others have been
for far longer. Perhaps we're getting closer to finding an answer. Would
anyone have a copy of the bastardy roll of 1818 in Jefferson County? I
didn't know of such a record but now see that it should be checked.
I feel that it would be advisable to give a little more background
information to the listmembers regarding Charles Lawrence.
*The rest of the quotation from his diary that Roberta mentioned states:
"Mr. C. L. Cate, the eldest son of John and Rebecca Cate of Jefferson City,
Tennessee, was born in Jefferson City [possibly transcribed wrong and
should be County], Tennessee at his grandfather's, John Cate, Esq., on the
18th day of June 1818. At the age of six, my mother, marrying another man,
I went to live with my grandfather, John Cate, where I continued to live
until A.D. 1833. "
His half brother, Michael Higdon, corroborates this in a deposition he gave
in Charles L. Cate's behalf when he was seeking a pension: "The claimant is
my half brother. We are by the same mother and by different fathers...The
clt [claimant] is some older than I-He was born in Jefferson Co. Tenn and I
was born in same county. When I was about a year old my mother & father
moved from Jefferson Co. to McMinn Co. Tenn and left him, the clt. with his
grandfather Squire Jno. Cate (deceased-Jefferson Co. Tenn. My grandfather
raised & educated the soldier".
The one reference is all we have to go on to determine his parentage but in
all of his other writings he has been quite accurate in all that he has
reported.
* Another point I wanted to make was about his name. He was known as
Commodore Cate when he was a youth in Jefferson County, and joined the
Indian War in 1836 under the name of Commodore W. B. Cate. This posed a big
problem for him when he tried to get a pension, having to prove that he was
the same man as Charles Lawrence Cate. His pension file is composed of many
depositions concerning this.
Charles had this to say about his name:
"I was named after a great uncle Charles Cate and the brave Captain
Lawrence of the Navy, was often in my younger days called by his official
name, Commodore, hence I enlisted under that name but just why I added W.
B. to it I cannot just now say, unless as a bravo-the letters never belong
to my proper name."
"I enlisted and served under the name of Commodore W. B. Cate. I was always
called Commodore. I can not explain why I added W. B. to my name. I do not
know what those initials stand or. If I ever knew I have forgotten. No,
sir, I do not remember ever signing myself Commodore William Bainbridge
Cate and I do not remember ever signing myself Commodore W. B. Cate, except
during the war of 1836 & 1837. After I went home I took up my correct name
of Chas. L. Cate which name I have used invariably since."
This is part of what Michael Higdon had to say:
"It seems that Grandfather told him his name was Chas. Lawrence and not
Commodore, that Commodore was a nick name.... Soldier told me
himself that he did not know himself what his correct name was until he
was nearly grown. Mother died 12 years ago. After Grandfather wrote about
his correct name mother said yes that his name was Chas Lawrence Cate and
that Commodore was a nick name."
"I always understood he was named after an uncle; don't know where
the Lawrence or the Commodore came in."
* In regards to his sister, Amanda Cate Crawford. I received considerable
information about Amanda from her granddaughter, Pauline Miller. She gave
22 Feb 1822 as Amanda's birthdate, saying that Rebecca took Amanda, who was
one year old, with her when she and Thomas Higdon moved to Reliance, Polk
Co. Tennessee. In addition to Pauline's extensive research, to further
verify that Amanda was Charles' sister, one of the questions to Michael
Higdon in his deposition for Charles L.'s pension application was:
Q. Can you mention any living witnesses who can establish the identity of
soldier besides yourself and Mrs Crawford, who is the soldiers full sister?
[There is some discrepancy here. Michael Higdon stated that "When I about a
year old, my parents left C. L......" As Michael was born 30 Dec 1823 both
he and Amanda couldn't have been one year old.]
* This is much too long but one more thing I would like to mention. In C.
L. Cate's diary he refers to joining the church at Dumplin:
"So on the first day of May A.D. 1833, I joined the church at Dumplin
Creek, (United Baptist) in Jefferson County, Tennessee. Elder Noah Cate,
assistant pastor. Second Lord's day of May, I was baptised in Cedar Creek
by Elder Noah Cate, there I lived until in January 1834 when I obtained a
letter of dismission.. "
I had been concerned that his name did not appear on the roll. As it turns
out, it is there, but as C. W. B. Cate (p. 31 Our East Tennessee Kinsmen by
Dawson). I think any reference to Charles Lawrence in the period he spent
in Jefferson County will be under the C. W. B. name.
Thanks for any ideas.
Evelyn
Hi Ann & All,
Thanks Ann, I will look forward to seeing the record in regard to the
suit of Elizabeth Manard Cate, wife of John Cate, vs. Gibson Manard.
Elizabeth I believe is the sister of Gibson Manard. The suit which went
on for years was over the inheritance each was to have received from the
estate of Gibson Manard Sr. of Wilkes Co., NC who passed in circa 1802.
Gibson Manard Jr.'s wife, Delilah Cate, was the sister of John Cate,
both being the children of Charles Cate Sr. or so I believe.
In regard to the Rebecca Cate afore mentioned here by Roberta, here are
the entries from the Dumplin Creek Baptist Church Minutes as transcribed
by the WPA in 1930:
Saturday, 9th of May, 1818: 4th - the Church Being grieved from the
Reports passing against Rebecah Cate called on Elizabeth Kimbrough &
Sally Elder to visit her and make known the matter against next meeting.
...
Saturday, 13th of June, 1818: 3rd - the grievance concerning Sister
Rebecah Cate Laid over till next meeting on the account of some
individuals....
July 11th, 1818: the Church met and after duty proceeded to Bisnes. 1 -
the greavance concerning Rebecah Cate taken up and has Excommunicated
her from the fellowship of this Church for having abase Begotten Child..
..
Al in IL
Again Ann Thanks,
This obituary is a real gem. I have the following:
Rebecca Emaline Cate
1. Rebecca Emaline1 Cate, daughter of Elisha Cate and Mary
Elizabeth Newman, was born in TN, 14 Aug 1835. Rebecca died
13 Jul 1895 at 59 years of age.
She married Hugh Henry Moore in Sevier Co., TN, 14 Feb
1860. Married at the home of Elisha Cate by the Rev. Michael
Cate. Hugh Henry Moore Family Bible & Early East Tennessee
Marriages by Sistler.
Hugh was born 7 Feb 1829 in Jefferson Co., TN. Hugh was
the son of Zachariah Chaney 'Chaney' Moore and Martha 'Patsey'
Allen. Hugh died 3 Oct 1910 in Jefferson Co., TN, at 81 years
of age. Hugh applied for a marriage license to wed Rebecca
Emaline Cate in Sevier Co., TN, 13 Feb 1860. Hugh was named
after a prominent neighbor. (Nancy Britton)
Rebecca was listed as a household member living with Elisha
Cate on the 1850 Census in Sevier Co., TN. Nelson Newman Cate
is age 20 and living with his parents.
Rebecca applied for a marriage license to wed Hugh Henry
Moore in Sevier Co., TN, 13 Feb 1860.
Rebecca Emaline Cate and Hugh Henry Moore had the following
children:
2 i. Thomas A.2 Moore was born, 28 Dec 1860. Thomas
died 23 Mar 1862 at 1 year of age.
3 ii. John N. Moore was born, 22 Mar 1862. John died 8
Oct 1947 at 85 years of age. He married Lydia
Harrison 6 Oct 1904. J.N. Moore resided at
Knoxville, Knox Co., TN.
4 iii. Rufus L. Moore was born, 10 Jun 1863. He married
Nannie McSpadden 17 Jan 1894.
5 iv. Ollie C. Moore was born, 7 Feb 1865. She married
Wade Sawyers Nov 1889.
6 v. Cynthia A. Moore was born, 10 Nov 1867. She
married Wade Bettis 12 Oct 1904.
7 vi. William H. Moore was born, 22 Jun 1870.
8 vii. Mollie C. Moore was born, 10 Jul 1872.
9 viii. James W. Moore was born, 24 Aug 1874.
10 ix. Perry E. Moore was born, 14 Oct 1877.
11 x. Emet C. Moore was born, 20 Nov 1881.
The N.E. Manard mentioned in the obituary is acutally Noah E. Manard,
son of Shadrack Manard and Nancy Harriet Cate.
Al in IL
I probably should not offer my thoughts on the puzzle that Roberta posted
today in regards to the data she rec'd from Ruth Cate but have just a couple
of suggestions.
(1) Ruth Cate stated that "Aunt Rebecca Cate was not married to Charles L.
Cate's father. That she had a child out of wedlock. etc etc).
I suggest that if that is true that Charles L. Cate was the bastard born
child and that he carried the surname of his mother. It is obvious that he
wrote abt his childhood in his diary AFTER he was an adult. It may well be
that his father was named John Cate - but which John Cate? Has anyone
checked the Jefferson Co Tn records to see if the father was named in the
bastard bonds that most counties required?
As we grow older we tend to forget all the details of a story. Isn't it
likely that the name of Charles L. Cate was not known to him or that he grew
up being "the son of John Cate" when they really could have been referring
to him being the grandson of John Cate? I doubt even in those days that a
young boy would have been told everything abt his illegitimate birth.
(2) Rebecca Cate married Thomas Higdon on 19 March 1823 yet she did not seek
to rejoin the Dumplin church until 1832...9 yrs after her marriage.
Charles L. Cate stated "at the age of 6 my mother married another man"
which would have been Thomas Higdon.
I must say I became confused abt the sentence "It also appears that Charles
has other siblings & you have 2 sisters, Amanda & Nancy". Who made that
statement? Who is it that has "2 sisters". Does this mean that Rebecca
had 2 dghts named Amanda and Nancy? If so who was their father and when
were they born?
Just my thoughts, Bettye
Regards, Bettye
>Resent-Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 13:18:45 -0800 (PST)
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>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 1998 16:08:33, -0500
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>Subject: [NCORANGE-L] BASTARDY BONDS
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>I will take this way to try and answer a question that was asked to the NC
>list about Bastardy Bonds.
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>Bastardy Bonds are held in the N.C. Archives for all counties within our
>state. They are not indexed, but filed in fiberdex boxes by years, not
>surnames. I have been thinking very seriously about publishing the bonds
>for Orange County. It took me three complete weeks of eight hours per day
>to go thru all the bonds, I now feel like I know many of the Orange County
>women, many later married the father's of their children. At that time they
>were all lumped together in boxes, but in recent years have been separated
>and filed by years.
> To my knowledge the only NC Bastardy Bonds that have been published in
>book form is :
>North Carolina Bastardy Bonds
> by Betty J. and Edmund A. Camin.
>Cost of this book is $30.00 and covers the counties of:
>Alamance, Alexander, Alleghany, Anson, Ashe, Bertie, Brunswick, Buncomb,
>Burke, Bute, Cabarrus, Caldwell, Camden, Carteret, Caswell, Catawba,
>Chatham, Cherokee, Chowan, Clay, Cleveland, Craven, Cumberland, Granville,
>Moore, New Hanover, Rowan, Rutherford, Surry, and Wake Counties.
>Also several of the Genealogy Societies have published abstracts in some of
>their journals.
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>Louise in Raleigh, NC
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Regards, Bettye