----- Original Message -----
From: Louise Harrison
To: 'Mike Caswell'
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:14 AM
Subject: RE: Caswells in Blackwater, Co. Clare - 1800s
Mike
You asked me to keep an eye open for Baskervilles - just tripped over a couple:
1812 marriage: Cashel & Emly Marriage Bonds
Mary and John Baskerville - Moyaliffe Parish
1824 marriage: Killaloe Marriage Bonds
Benjamin Baskerville (m) Elizabeth Dagg
1784 marriage: Killaloe
George Baskerville (m) Catherine Dagg(s)
Had you got these?
Cheers
Louise
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Caswell [mailto:mike@caswellplating.com]
Sent: 10 November 2003 18:00
To: Louise Harrison
Subject: Re: Caswells in Blackwater, Co. Clare - 1800s
Yep! Thats us!!!!
AND what's even better, my mother was a Kennedy. My gt gram, William Kennedy came from
blackrock in Ireland. We're not sure which Blackrock, but we think it was Dublin
area.
He lived in Dudley Worcester.
My grandfather was Joseph Kennedy, (I get a kick out of telling these Yanks that! They
almost kiss my feet!) and we have a tale about my mother seeing lawyers from London visit
her gt gran to discuss an estate in Ireland. She was told she could inherit it if they
could prove where she stood in the lineage. Well, the money went to the Kennedys in the
USA - yes to Joseph. And my gt gran cursed them and their family forever. Thats why they
are always in a bunch of trouble.
:-)
----- Original Message -----
From: Louise Harrison
To: 'Caswell Inc.'
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: RE: Caswells in Blackwater, Co. Clare - 1800s
Hello from Dublin
Thank you for the prompt reply to my e-mail. I thought you might like to have this
information. I'm sure we can send you a copy of the burial enclosure - I'll get
my son to digitally photograph it for you. I travel to Clonlara once or twice a year.
No, I'm not a Caswell but my Warren family are buried alongside yours in Kiltenanlea
Graveyard!
What a pity about your cranky relative - if she ever has a good day - will you ask her
whether she encountered the Warren surname while researching her book. .. That would be
marvellous.
You won't believe this but I've just asked our son Philip if he would take the
"photograph for Caswells" and he made some comment about seeing your e-mail
address Caswell Plating. He had our next door neighbour bring him back polishing wheels
and compounds from Chicago three months ago. Apparently these came from Caswell Plating -
is that you? Our lovely neighbours are in their 70s and were nearly arrested coming
through Chicago airport with what Customs guys thought were plastics explosives. They
were held for hours while their background was checked etc. It's a long story.
Fortunately they are the nicest, most honest people in the world and eventually they were
allowed to board the plane with the Caswell compounds... It will be fascinating to hear
if this is your company???
Must go, dinner to cook.
Louise
-----Original Message-----
From: Caswell Inc. [mailto:sales@caswellplating.com]
Sent: 10 November 2003 11:57
To: Louise Harrison
Subject: Re: Caswells in Blackwater, Co. Clare - 1800s
Hi!
Thanks for your letter, I'm going to answer it in sections -
Assuming you are a descendant of this Caswell line (I hadn't time to read the
marvellous 300 page document on the family) - are you aware of the book(let) written in
November 1992 Kiltenanlea Parish Church 1782-1992 in which the author describes the
Caswell burial enclosure and the people buried within. There is a photo of the Caswell
grave.
I am a descendant of the Caswell of Wiltshire UK, where ALL Caswells originated. We
have the original castle found and I can link to it from the 13th century.
http://www.moonrakers.com/genealogy/caswell/roots/index.html
No, I wasn't aware of the booklet. The picture of the grave would be interesting
to the MANY Caswell researchers I'm in contact with.
I draw your attention the paragraph which states that the Caswells "would appear
to have come from Northern Ireland (Co Down) to assist in the running of the bleach mills
at Doonass". The author refers to a bleaching mills operated by Herculus Brownriggs
(who signed all his legal documents Hercules Brownriggs but traded under the name Hercules
Browning), who, he states "settled many of his new employees in "Kildorras"
and next door in Coolisteige, surnames like Caswell ..... all surnames with origins in Co.
Down, Louth and Antrim".
They may well have appeared to do that, but I sincerely doubt that is the case. There
are no records of Caswells in Northern Ireland. They may have briefly stopped over in NI,
but there is NO DOUBT in my mind where they came from.
In and around 1770, the Harris brothers, of Calne, Wiltshire, started buying Irish
pigs as they were driven from the Bristol docks. Blackwater, being the pig capital of the
Irish world at that time, was selling the pigs in London, for a high price.
The Caswells and Baskervilles lived close (Yatesbury, Winterborn Bassett) to the pig
droving road (See the A4 to London)
The Harris Co. bought only the lame and weak pigs, who could not stand the long drove
to London. They got them at a good price and turned them into bacon.
About this same time, the CASWELL & BASKERVILLE families of Wiltshire, were
getting together matromonially and socially. They were both affluent and wealthy families
who were sheeps farmers on the Wiltshire downs.
see
www.moonrakers/com/genealogy/baskerville for MY research on the Baskervilles.
Now, there is GREAT evidence that the Baskervilles and Caswell families got together
and purchased land in Blackwater. The Caswell line is the one that moved to Canada
eventually and Shirley Mayse' book is the record of that.
It is my contention that the Baskervilles and Caswells were from WIltshire, although I
have no concrete proof of that - but MUCH circumstantial.
No where else in any records anywhere in the Baskervilles and Caswell lines, is there
ANY evidence of these two families ever living close to each other or intermarrying. OR -
having a reason to be in Ireland. They have to be the same family.
I have looked at the work of several people on the Caswell line from Blackwater, but
we can't find anything. I'm sure that a bit of poking around will find something,
probably on the Baskervilles. Establish that link and we have it!
There must also be some records of shipping from Cork to Bristol around 1770-1820.
This could also record the traffic and may yeild a name.
I've spent three years researching my Warren family (Protestants) from Clonlara
during the 1800s - John & Eliza Warren and their three children. This same book states
that Brownriggs set aside a portion of his estate for the settlement of Protestant
families ... surnames associated ... Warren, Handy, etc. After checking hundreds of
records I found my John Warren was a Farmer and not connected to the bleach mill! The
Handy surname refers to John Handy, who married my relative Margaret Warren and here again
John had no connection with the bleach mill! The surname Piper is also included with
those who had roots in Cos. Down, Louth and Antrim. However, Piper is apparently a
Palatine surname - the Palatines having arrived from Germany into Rathkeale, Co. Limerick
in 1709!
Having been led up and down the garden path for eighteen months by the information
contained in this book - I thought it wise to pass on the information to you....
Bin there - dun that!!!!!!!!
PS I note in that 300 page document - referring to a huge funeral in Clonlara - it
lists several of those who attended. Has the author gleaned this information from a list
of names? I would be interested to know whether the name Warren was mentioned. Perhaps
you could let me know. Thanks
Shirley Mayse wrote that book, not me. She is probably about 90 now, and VERY cranky,
(she was quite cranky 15 years ago) so I have no idea where she got that info, sorry.
Whare abouts in Ireland are you?