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Different family members may spell their surname different ways. It is not unusual. I have that in several of our lines. You should keep track of all variations (with sources).
--- On Mon, 6/1/09, n5bry(a)aol.com <n5bry(a)aol.com> wrote:
From: n5bry(a)aol.com <n5bry(a)aol.com>
Subject: Re: [CASTEEL] CASTEEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 51
To: casteel(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 11:39 AM
Not certain what you are referring to here re:? Houston vs Huston.? Perhaps just a point of view regarding tracking mispelled names in the records? ?? I have Huston in my tree and sometimes it was spelled Houston.? How does one distinguish one line from the other when the records become unclear?
Thanks.
Nita
-----Original Message-----
From: Theresa Hodge <looneytune07(a)insightbb.com>
To: casteel(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sun, 31 May 2009 9:05 pm
Subject: Re: [CASTEEL] CASTEEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 51
Martha,
you are very correct I have found several people on the HOUSTON side because it
was misspelled HUSTON so I am glad you helped me out with that.Thank you so
much.
I am thinking I might find ,y Sue Ellen HENSLEY FREED that way also.....The more
information one puts out there I feel the closer one will get to hitting upon
someone living who might have more information than someone else has on the
person they are looking for..theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "\"marta\"" <wicomp(a)whidbey.net>
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 16:50
Subject: Re: [CASTEEL] CASTEEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 51
To: casteel(a)rootsweb.com
> Marge, I would think that Theresa's reference to cross reference
> would mean
> to take the information one sees as a secondary source (ex.
> another person
> research or book) and look for a primary source (ex. census,
> photocopy of
> actual records such as birth, death, marriage, land) to verify
> the
> information that is important to that individual doing their own
> tree. It
> also helps to use at least two original sources (or more) to
> verify that the
> person is actually fitting in correctly into the tree you are
> working on.
> I enjoy the exchanges of thoughts and information's on the site.
> Oh, also
> remember to double check spellings on secondary sources
> especially and also
> in the primary sources. There are many secondary records
> that are not
> always correctly spelled and sometimes that is a lost ancestor's
> reason for
> being lost when they are not really lost.
> Best. Wishes.marta
>
>
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Marge, You point out a very important thing to remember about the spellings
in the records based on the ability of the people giving the information and
also the person, ex, census takers, taking the information and putting it to
paper. Many people than and now spelled things the way they sounded to them
not necessarily the actual spelling and this also included surname
spellings. To make things even more confusing, in later years when many
records were transcribed during the WPA period and by earlier genealogists,
when the only way to look at records were in dusty courthouse basements with
poor lighting, there were sometimes errors made in reading the original
documents.
This said, those secondary records or extracted records, are extremely
valuable to today's genealogist both as a guide and as another opinion in
the way the document was read. This is especially true if the earlier
genealogist was kind enough to give the references to where the originals
could be located for the next person. Today's genealogist has a much
easier job of finding old records than the earlier genealogists did due to
the web and more printed materials, but that does not mean that each of us
needs to take the time to order or visit sites where those early records can
be viewed.
Many projects now are on microfilm and allows a person to view the
originals or order a photocopy of them. When you take the time to look at
the originals, (Marge and others a big thank you for taking the time to
compile and share your finding with those who don't live so close to where
our ancestors lived,) you give yourself the chance to look with a fresh eye
and learn for yourself the handwriting, the spelling and the usage the
original document taker saw. Sometimes when you become familiar with the
formation of the letters, you might even see two, three or more spellings of
the same name in one document which can either add to the confusion or help
eliminate the confusion depending on how much time you are willing to devote
to finding the documents to verify the correct line you are searching for.
There are times you might not immediately see these differences until you
look at the documents several times so making a photocopy is an asset for
later review.
If we each share our findings and thoughts then it makes the job easier,
although each person must remember that there are as many lines as there are
researchers and in the end each researcher must make the deciding
determination of what is correct for each of their lines. When a person is
will to compile findings the way Marge has done for this group it helps a
lot and should be appreciated by all who have had a helping hand in finding
the history. Nina and Theresa keeping sharing your findings and thoughts.
It is like Forrest Gump said, Life is like a box of chocolates, when you
reach in to get one you never know what you will pull out. The same with
sharing the tales, myths and findings in genealogy. It is a lot of fun and
sometimes the most fun is hearing the stories that were told about the
ancestors daily lives.
> Hi Marta, I agree completely with the need to verify facts with as many
> primary sources as possible. One can not depend on secondary information
> found in many books or especially trees shared on the Internet! Too
> often,
> name and date approximate matches is all that has been used to make the
> connection.
> Concerning the spelling of names, its certainly important to determine the
> most commonly used spelling. Many people were unable to read or write
> even
> just their name. Even the person doing the writing was often not well
> educated so they misspell names. Sometimes the misspelled name becomes
> accepted and continues to be used. Almost every limb of our tree has
> varied
> spelling for the name.
> Marge
I ran into someone who did not his grandfather had married three times, my line being from his first marriage. I had to send his birth certificate, marriage license, the kids birth certificates and his death certificate to prove he was my great grand father too. Oh, I also had census sheets.
--- On Sun, 5/31/09, Jerri McCoy <geniebug(a)comcast.net> wrote:
From: Jerri McCoy <geniebug(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CASTEEL] Thomas b abt 1815 MD s/o Archibald???
To: casteel(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 1:33 AM
Hi Priscilla,
Based on what I have found, I think that this Thomas Casteel was the
son of Nathaniel Casteel and Jane McMullin.
Thomas' age on the 1870 census was 54, not 34.
Is the Archibald you are looking for the one who married Susan
DeWitt? I still haven't been able to place him either.
Jerri
======================
Thomas CASTEEL, son of Nathaniel CASTEEL and Jane McMULLIN, was born 15 Dec
1808 in Sang Run, Allegany, MD(1,2,3,4) and died 19 Jun 1892.(1,2).
Thomas married Margaret FRIEND, daughter of John Green FRIEND and Olivia
FORSHEY.(5) Margaret was born in Jul 1829 in MD(3,4,5,6) and
died between 1910
and 1920 in probably Garrett Co, MD.(9,10)
F i. Ida CASTEEL was born about 1859 in MD.(3,4).
M ii. William Osborn CASTEEL was born in Nov 1862 in MD.(3,4,7).
F iii. Mary Sadie CASTEEL was born in Aug 1863 in MD.(4,6,9,10).
M iv. Nathaniel Parshel CASTEEL was born in May 1865 in MD.(3,4,6).
M v. John CASTEEL was born about 1867 in MD.(3,4,8,10).
M vi. Stephen CASTEEL was born about 1869 in MD.(3,4,8,9,10).
F vii. Ella CASTEEL was born about 1871 in MD.(3,10). Ella
married ____ ROBERTS.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources
1. Louden, Phyllis Casteel and Lehman, Mary Jean Johnson, History of the
Casteel Family (1996.)
2. Hoye, Charles E., Capt, The Hoyes of Maryland (Pub. by the author,
Sang Run,
Maryland, Sincell Printing Co, Oakland, Maryland, 1942.)
3. 1880 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, Oakland Twp, ED 99.
4. 1870 U.S. census, Allegany, MD, Dist 14, Johnstown PO
5. Friend Family Association - Ina Hicks, Librarian.
6. 1900 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, East Oakland Twp.
7. 1900 Federal Census, Chouteau Co, MT, Fort Benton Twp.
8. 1900 Federal Census, Valley Co, MT, Malta Twp.
9. 1910 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, District 7, ED 93
10. 1920 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, East Oakland Twp, ED 108
===============================
At 07:36 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote:
>I'm trying to place a Thomas Casteel b abt 1815? MD and Archibald ca
>1800 s/o Thomas (1753) and Sarah Ann may be a likely candidate.
>
>Thomas is found near the families descended from Thomas and Sarah Ann,
>also other close families who appear to have moved from Bedford Co.,
>PA to Allegany, MD and families who married into this Casteel family
>(DeWitt, Enlow, Browning, McMullen, Friend...)
>
>Who is the following Thomas CASTEEL???
>
>1850 Dist. 10 Allegany, MD
>John McHenry (68)
>Martha McHenry (70)
>Thomas CASTEEL (35) MD
>Jackson Johnson (21) Laborer
>Sarah Johnson (21)
>Margaret Johnson (16)
>
>1860 Dist. 2, Selbysport, Allegany, MD
>Thomas CASTEEL (38) MD Farmer
>Margaret (25) (maybe she is Margaret Johnson from the 1850 census)
>Ida (4)
>Hiram (2)
>
>1870 Johnstown P.O., Dist. 14, Allegany, MD
>Thomas CASTEEL (34) MD
>Margaret (40) MD
>Ida (11) MD
>William (8) MD
>Sadie (6) MD
>Parshal or Pershal (5) MD
>John (2) MD
>Stephen (1) MD
>
>1880 Oakland, Garrett, MD
>Thomas CASTEEL (65) MD Farmer
>Margaret (50) MD
>Ida (21) MD
>Osburn 19) MD Farm Hand
>Partial (17) MD Farm Hand
>John (13) MD Farm Hand
>Stephen (11) MD Farm Hand
>Ella (9) MD
>
>Thanks,
>Priscilla
>
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Martha,
you are very correct I have found several people on the HOUSTON side because it was misspelled HUSTON so I am glad you helped me out with that.Thank you so much.
I am thinking I might find ,y Sue Ellen HENSLEY FREED that way also.....The more information one puts out there I feel the closer one will get to hitting upon someone living who might have more information than someone else has on the person they are looking for..theresa
----- Original Message -----
From: "\"marta\"" <wicomp(a)whidbey.net>
Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009 16:50
Subject: Re: [CASTEEL] CASTEEL Digest, Vol 4, Issue 51
To: casteel(a)rootsweb.com
> Marge, I would think that Theresa's reference to cross reference
> would mean
> to take the information one sees as a secondary source (ex.
> another person
> research or book) and look for a primary source (ex. census,
> photocopy of
> actual records such as birth, death, marriage, land) to verify
> the
> information that is important to that individual doing their own
> tree. It
> also helps to use at least two original sources (or more) to
> verify that the
> person is actually fitting in correctly into the tree you are
> working on.
> I enjoy the exchanges of thoughts and information's on the site.
> Oh, also
> remember to double check spellings on secondary sources
> especially and also
> in the primary sources. There are many secondary records
> that are not
> always correctly spelled and sometimes that is a lost ancestor's
> reason for
> being lost when they are not really lost.
> Best. Wishes.marta
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CASTEEL-
> request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
Marge, I would think that Theresa's reference to cross reference would mean
to take the information one sees as a secondary source (ex. another person
research or book) and look for a primary source (ex. census, photocopy of
actual records such as birth, death, marriage, land) to verify the
information that is important to that individual doing their own tree. It
also helps to use at least two original sources (or more) to verify that the
person is actually fitting in correctly into the tree you are working on.
I enjoy the exchanges of thoughts and information's on the site. Oh, also
remember to double check spellings on secondary sources especially and also
in the primary sources. There are many secondary records that are not
always correctly spelled and sometimes that is a lost ancestor's reason for
being lost when they are not really lost.
Best. Wishes.marta
Hi Priscilla,
Based on what I have found, I think that this Thomas Casteel was the
son of Nathaniel Casteel and Jane McMullin.
Thomas' age on the 1870 census was 54, not 34.
Is the Archibald you are looking for the one who married Susan
DeWitt? I still haven't been able to place him either.
Jerri
======================
Thomas CASTEEL, son of Nathaniel CASTEEL and Jane McMULLIN, was born 15 Dec
1808 in Sang Run, Allegany, MD(1,2,3,4) and died 19 Jun 1892.(1,2).
Thomas married Margaret FRIEND, daughter of John Green FRIEND and Olivia
FORSHEY.(5) Margaret was born in Jul 1829 in MD(3,4,5,6) and
died between 1910
and 1920 in probably Garrett Co, MD.(9,10)
F i. Ida CASTEEL was born about 1859 in MD.(3,4).
M ii. William Osborn CASTEEL was born in Nov 1862 in MD.(3,4,7).
F iii. Mary Sadie CASTEEL was born in Aug 1863 in MD.(4,6,9,10).
M iv. Nathaniel Parshel CASTEEL was born in May 1865 in MD.(3,4,6).
M v. John CASTEEL was born about 1867 in MD.(3,4,8,10).
M vi. Stephen CASTEEL was born about 1869 in MD.(3,4,8,9,10).
F vii. Ella CASTEEL was born about 1871 in MD.(3,10). Ella
married ____ ROBERTS.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sources
1. Louden, Phyllis Casteel and Lehman, Mary Jean Johnson, History of the
Casteel Family (1996.)
2. Hoye, Charles E., Capt, The Hoyes of Maryland (Pub. by the author,
Sang Run,
Maryland, Sincell Printing Co, Oakland, Maryland, 1942.)
3. 1880 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, Oakland Twp, ED 99.
4. 1870 U.S. census, Allegany, MD, Dist 14, Johnstown PO
5. Friend Family Association - Ina Hicks, Librarian.
6. 1900 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, East Oakland Twp.
7. 1900 Federal Census, Chouteau Co, MT, Fort Benton Twp.
8. 1900 Federal Census, Valley Co, MT, Malta Twp.
9. 1910 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, District 7, ED 93
10. 1920 Federal Census, Garrett Co, MD, East Oakland Twp, ED 108
===============================
At 07:36 AM 5/30/2009, you wrote:
>I'm trying to place a Thomas Casteel b abt 1815? MD and Archibald ca
>1800 s/o Thomas (1753) and Sarah Ann may be a likely candidate.
>
>Thomas is found near the families descended from Thomas and Sarah Ann,
>also other close families who appear to have moved from Bedford Co.,
>PA to Allegany, MD and families who married into this Casteel family
>(DeWitt, Enlow, Browning, McMullen, Friend...)
>
>Who is the following Thomas CASTEEL???
>
>1850 Dist. 10 Allegany, MD
>John McHenry (68)
>Martha McHenry (70)
>Thomas CASTEEL (35) MD
>Jackson Johnson (21) Laborer
>Sarah Johnson (21)
>Margaret Johnson (16)
>
>1860 Dist. 2, Selbysport, Allegany, MD
>Thomas CASTEEL (38) MD Farmer
>Margaret (25) (maybe she is Margaret Johnson from the 1850 census)
>Ida (4)
>Hiram (2)
>
>1870 Johnstown P.O., Dist. 14, Allegany, MD
>Thomas CASTEEL (34) MD
>Margaret (40) MD
>Ida (11) MD
>William (8) MD
>Sadie (6) MD
>Parshal or Pershal (5) MD
>John (2) MD
>Stephen (1) MD
>
>1880 Oakland, Garrett, MD
>Thomas CASTEEL (65) MD Farmer
>Margaret (50) MD
>Ida (21) MD
>Osburn 19) MD Farm Hand
>Partial (17) MD Farm Hand
>John (13) MD Farm Hand
>Stephen (11) MD Farm Hand
>Ella (9) MD
>
>Thanks,
>Priscilla
>
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