No one is entitled to use a family crest unless they can prove without any
doubt they descend from that line. I only use the Iris Flag for my family
right now. But no Coat of Arms
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From: cassidy-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cassidy-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
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Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:25 PM
To: cassidy(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CASSIDY] Martha Cassetty
Which was going to be my next comment. I have been reading and it seems that
we aren't really entitled to use that crest.
I'm finding this stuff very interesting I'm proud of my name but it seems
that we are not always following the rules
Which makes me a true cassidy lol
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-----Original Message-----
From: Janet Cassidy <caiside(a)comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:19:58
To: <cassidy(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: Re: [CASSIDY] Martha Cassetty
Who said a motto on a crest was a battle cry? Besides, the Cassidys
were scholars--doctors and poets--not soldiers.
The whole thing is nonsense anyway, since a coat of arms usually
belongs to one person, not everyone with the same name.
On Jan 22, 2010, at 1:58 PM, Jim Casady wrote:
No, it doesn't make much sense to me either, although I have
heard
not so
long ago that it was reinterpreted after the English occupation and
oppression in Ireland. For some reason a lot of people seem to be
hooked on
this translation though...I've had a couple of conversations about
it with
clan members and they've not been at all receptive to the
translation given
me by my mother, who majored in English, French and Latin in
college and
taught all three. So I haven't argued with anybody about family
lore for
years...not even with the one whose database showed a 120 year old
grandfather in the early 19th century and an 8 year old grandmother
during
the same time.
The most straightforward translation of Frangas Non Flectes would
be "Break,
Not Bend," although I believe I was also told a more literal
translation
might be "Bend Not, Break." It's been many decades since I
didscussed it
with my mother, she is almost 97 today.
But if you look at the Cassidy Coat of Arms and up at the crest,
you will
see a lance, broken and crossed; in the old jousting days a broken
lance-as
opposed to a bent one-was the sign of a great hit or contest. That
is the
most obvious clue to the meaning of the motto.
Hence Frangas Non Flectes...Break, Not Bend. Also a rather better
battle
cry than 'you may break me, but you shall not bend me,' which makes
about as
much sense when charging into battle yelling 'we will serve you
breakfast
with arrogance and disdain!'
JC
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From: cassidy-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cassidy-
bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of j c
Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 12:20 PM
To: cassidy(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CASSIDY] Martha Cassetty
does it not seem backwards to say "you may break me, but you shall
not bend
me" It really doesn't make sense to me.. i would think you may bend
but
you'll never break me would make more sense.. i guess im lost in
translation
somewhere
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