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Cassidy researchers:
I had a phone conversation yesterday with Nuala Cassidy-White who lives in Co
Armagh. She is organizer for the Cassidy Clan Association, which holds an
annual gathering in Ireland. This year it is to be in Enniskillen, Co
Fermanagh at the end of August. She is sending me more detailed information
and as soon as I have it I will pass it on to everyone.
I hope to go to the gathering myself. I am very excited by the idea of meeting
Cassidys from (who knows?) around the world.
Janet (listowner)
Does anyone on this list have info on Dr. Patrick Cassidy 1664-1720 born and
died in Clogher?, Devenish, Fermanagh, Ireland? He was a physician and a
scholar. He was the father of at least two priests; Fr. Andrew Cassidy and
Fr. Phelim Cassidy.
Linda
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Linda, check the GED of the pres, Slick Willy, believe his mother was a
Cassidy descended from the area in question.
Almost wants you to halt research
Bill
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Hello:
I have Ellen Cassidy arriving in St. Johns, NB, Canada in 1830. She was
born in 1821 in
Ireland. She married Francis Doherty: b. 1818 in England. He arrived
in St. Johns in
1838. They married on July 14th, 1843 in St Malachy's Catholic Church.
Witnesses were
John McCarthy and Mary Ann Cassidy.
Children of this marriage were:
James b. 1844
Francis b. 1845 (he's my ggrandfather)
Charles b. 1847
Margaret b. 1848
Mary Ann b. 1850
Eliza b. 1852
Theresa b. 1853
Ellen b. 1854
The Doherty's moved to Portland, Maine and show up in the 1860 US
Federal Census. By
now, Francis (senior) has died. Ellen now has, I assume, her mother
with her. A female
named Cassidy is on the census, age 80, born in Ireland.
I have more on this crew if anyone is interested. I would love to find
out where they
come from "across the pond".
Happy hunting!
Deborah
dmsmith(a)ncia.com
I would love to hear from ANYONE who has the surname Cassidy... however it's
spelled.... in early VA. I am trying to sort out just how many different
lines there may have been there and whether they stayed in VA or moved on to
somewhere else.
Linda
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Ran into this in researching another line.
KELLY CEMETERY--located 4 miles s. town of Charleston, Coles Co. IL
of Rd. 130.
CASSADY, D.M. 17 Apr 1847-30 Oct 1921
" S.C. 1 Apr 1845-17 Jun 1923
" Dan'l Co. D, 123re IL inf (gov't stone)
May help someone with a lost Cassady in Illinois.
Shirley Weber
Recently, Long Island's newspaper Newsday, ran an article on a Cassidy
family and it's history with the Long Island Rail Road since the mid 1800's.
It can be found at http://www.lihistory.com/5/lcov0308.htm
-- Kirk McDonough
At 4:21 PM -0500 3/11/98, Linda Cassidy Lewis wrote:
>I would still like to know if anyone else has read this collection of papers
>by Wm. David Cassity of Chicago, IL and would be willing to share their
>thoughts on it with me.
I feel happily removed from this since all my Cassidys are Brooklynites.
I have a John Cassidy with a son Patrick Cassidy who happens to disappear
from John's household in Brooklyn the year my gr grandfather marrys. The
dates reported on death certs and census are the dates that my Patrick
Cassidy comes to the US and Brooklyn. I'm 97% sure this is my family,
however I have it footnoted in my notes that I dont have definative proof.
Cassidy, John and Patrick are names that are too common. Its easy to do
genealogy or any history, since essentially genealogy is "family history".
I have never thought I would be able to get all my families back to their
parish in Ireland myself; hopefully someone in the future will pick my work
up high means I need to document everything, and explain my hunches etc --
I am tracking 3 Cassidy families in Greenpoint Brooklyn that I believe are
related for various reasons but have no proof.
In other words I would not accept anyone else's work that contradicted my
if their work wasnt documented. I would use as I use family stories as a
direction to search. I am always surprised by how of the stories do have
some kernel of truth behind them.
Anyay just my thoughts.
michael
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Cassidy, McAree, McGee, Marran, Byrnes, Pattison [Patterson], Cox
Abbott, O'Brien, Rourke, Freemont, Collins
Janet,
Thank you so much for reminding us of this. I know for a fact that
that is why this particular Cassity line is in such a mess now. And I plead
guilty to haven fallen victim to "common sense reasoning". I have
personally corresponded with descendants of some of the original Cassity
settlers in the NE part of KY but they have almost all traded info with
others who traded info with others so except for the last two or three
generations in each branch we don't have PROOF of a whole lot. I do believe
"the truth is out there" and maybe with the growing numbers of people going
online we will someday have enough of us "cousins" with documentation on our
individual branches to be able to put all the pieces of the puzzle together.
Linda
-----Original Message-----
From: Caiside <Caiside(a)aol.com>
To: CASSIDY-D-request(a)rootsweb.com <CASSIDY-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>;
CASSIDY-D(a)rootsweb.com <CASSIDY-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, March 12, 1998 9:14 AM
Subject: That Cassity book
>Linda (and other Cassity/Cassady researchers)
>
>OK, sounds like Linda has calmed down a bit :-) and is doing a careful
study
>of this book to see whether it is based on solid research and
documentation.
>So just a word on that topic. Some of you are experienced genealogists and
>know better (so I'm not saying this to you guys) but others are newbies or
>never learned properly, soooo---- be VERY careful of taking ANYONE's word
for
>any data. It very dangerous to find information either online or in a book
and
>just assume it is correct or that the line quoted matches your own. IF YOU
>DO, you take the risk of copying and perpetuating someone else's mistakes
or
>assumptions.
>
>And do not be quick to jump to genealogical conclusions! For instance, my
>earliest documented ancestor is Patrick Cassidy, born near Derrygonnelly in
>County Fermanagh, about 1804. I have strong reasons to believe (too
>complicated to go into here) he is connected to the Cassidys that lived in
>Drumgormly (a townland near Derrygonnelly) but I cannot prove it. Now there
is
>a Francis Cassidy Sr. and a Francis Cassidy Jr. living in Drumgormly in
1862
>(according to Griffith's Valuation). There was a Patrick, age 84, in the
same
>place in 1851. Very likely the 84-yr-old Patrick is a brother of Francis
Sr.
>But I don't know that for sure. There is NO WAY to prove it at this time. I
>cannot even make the assumption that the Francis Sr and Jr are father and
son,
>because they could have been uncle and nephew. And I cannot assume that my
>Patrick is connected to these men.
>Now if I find a book in which someone makes this claim, he better have
>ironclad proof, good enough to stand up in a court of law, for me to say
>without a doubt, that this is so.
>Another example: There is a Dr. Patrick Cassidy buried in Devinish Island.
>(Devinish is the name of the parish for the same area, which includes the
area
>around Derrygonnelly). His dates make him the right age to be the father of
my
>Patrick Cassidy. But this does NOT make him so! I cannot just say, "Oh that
>must be him." Even if I found a document which lists my Patrick's father
as
>Patrick Cassidy, I cannot say the man buried on Devenish is the same
Patrick,
>Yet people do this sort of thing all the time!
>So---please be EXTREMELY careful of what you take to be true. Check all
>research. Be very wary of secondary sources.
>Janet C-S
>
>
>
Does anyone on this list have CASSITYs in Washington Co. AL. I am trying to
find evidence that the Robert Cassity (b.1770) who lived in Washington Co.
AL was the son of James Cassity of Old Augusta Co. VA.
Linda
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Linda (and other Cassity/Cassady researchers)
OK, sounds like Linda has calmed down a bit :-) and is doing a careful study
of this book to see whether it is based on solid research and documentation.
So just a word on that topic. Some of you are experienced genealogists and
know better (so I'm not saying this to you guys) but others are newbies or
never learned properly, soooo---- be VERY careful of taking ANYONE's word for
any data. It very dangerous to find information either online or in a book and
just assume it is correct or that the line quoted matches your own. IF YOU
DO, you take the risk of copying and perpetuating someone else's mistakes or
assumptions.
And do not be quick to jump to genealogical conclusions! For instance, my
earliest documented ancestor is Patrick Cassidy, born near Derrygonnelly in
County Fermanagh, about 1804. I have strong reasons to believe (too
complicated to go into here) he is connected to the Cassidys that lived in
Drumgormly (a townland near Derrygonnelly) but I cannot prove it. Now there is
a Francis Cassidy Sr. and a Francis Cassidy Jr. living in Drumgormly in 1862
(according to Griffith's Valuation). There was a Patrick, age 84, in the same
place in 1851. Very likely the 84-yr-old Patrick is a brother of Francis Sr.
But I don't know that for sure. There is NO WAY to prove it at this time. I
cannot even make the assumption that the Francis Sr and Jr are father and son,
because they could have been uncle and nephew. And I cannot assume that my
Patrick is connected to these men.
Now if I find a book in which someone makes this claim, he better have
ironclad proof, good enough to stand up in a court of law, for me to say
without a doubt, that this is so.
Another example: There is a Dr. Patrick Cassidy buried in Devinish Island.
(Devinish is the name of the parish for the same area, which includes the area
around Derrygonnelly). His dates make him the right age to be the father of my
Patrick Cassidy. But this does NOT make him so! I cannot just say, "Oh that
must be him." Even if I found a document which lists my Patrick's father as
Patrick Cassidy, I cannot say the man buried on Devenish is the same Patrick,
Yet people do this sort of thing all the time!
So---please be EXTREMELY careful of what you take to be true. Check all
research. Be very wary of secondary sources.
Janet C-S
I'm not sure if my posts are getting through to this list since they are not
being sent back to me as they usually are. But if they are and you saw my
emotional posts yesterday about the "book" I received in the mail purporting
to correct the errors that were originated in the 70's by a woman Mr.
Cassity referred to as "some 'half-Cassity' of an 'amateur genealogist' who
submitted a 'bunch of hogwash and garbage' to the Mormon Church". (I
believe I know the name of the woman he refers to so harshly but I would not
repeat it in such a context.) I would like to post this update.
I have read the whole thing in one evening... and have sore eyes to prove
it. But it seems to me it is mostly smoke and mirrors. Unless he has more
documentation that he has not sent me, he appears to have made an awful lot
of unwarranted assumptions. In fact, from what he has sent me, it seems he
has committed the exact same sins he condemns that poor woman for!
His initial contention is that Corneilius "Neil" Cassity is the father of
all the Cassitys in early Augusta Co. VA .... if not ALL of VA!!! Starting
with that assumption he "fiddles" with names, places and dates to try to
make it all fit. I have little doubt that he has correctly identified this
mysterious Neil and traces him back to Essex Co. VA in 1702 and then back to
Ireland. (Are you listening Shirley?) But at the same time he shows
evidence that there was also a James Cassity in Essex in 1702 and then seems
to totally discount him as being the possible forebear of any of these VA
Cassitys!
Well, anyway, I am trying to calm down enough to be able to form some
cohesive thoughts and precise questions on this so I can write Mr. Cassity a
letter to see if he can provide documentation for some of these conclusions
he has reached.
I would still like to know if anyone else has read this collection of papers
by Wm. David Cassity of Chicago, IL and would be willing to share their
thoughts on it with me.
Linda
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Lesly,
Are you subscribed to the CASSIDY-L mailing list? If so, you will
see my "reports" as I work my way through this massive book. I am keeping
all the messages I receive about these Cassitys and so give me a little time
and I'll try to see if I find your line in here. I know already there was
mention of one of the branches going to NC so it's probably in here
somewhere. The man who compiled all this is not computerized and is not
even able to use a typewriter so much of these sides notes and such are in
hand-printed script and at times hard to decipher. In one sense this is all
organized but in another sense it isn't and there is NOT and index of any
sort. I will do my best to sort it all out or lose my mind trying.... or
maybe it's too late for that. *lol*
Linda
-----Original Message-----
From: LJWILLIAMS <LJWILLIAMS(a)prodigy.net>
To: pure_celtic(a)bigfoot.com <pure_celtic(a)bigfoot.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 4:42 PM
Subject: Cassady
>Linda:
>
>I think I may be the one who didn't respond to you and since I rarely use
>aol (will only have it until the end of the month), I haven't been checking
>my mail.
>
>I don't have alot of information. My John Cassady was born about 1750(VA?),
>married Martha Young abt. 1770. Don't know how many children, but they did
>have a son Robert about 1773 and were living in Washington, NC. Robert
>married Elizabeth Rader abt 1800. To them were born:Adam, Robert,
>Abraham(who I'm descended from),James, Ann. Abraham married Martha Wilkeson
>or Wilkenson in 1836. Their children were: James, Margaret, Eliza Ann (my
>great-grandmother). Eliza married Zachariah Taylor Lee in 1872, etc.
>
>John and Martha Cassady always lived near her father, Robert Young, Sr. and
>they moved from Augusta, VA to Washington,NC which later became TN.
>
>I, of course, am searching for John's parents, etc. Is he the orphan of
>Neil Cassaty mentioned in Chalkey's????I don't know.
>
>Hopefully, you can help.
>
>Look forward to hearing from you. You can email me at this address or
>celticljw(a)juno.com
>
>Lesly
>
>
Tom,
I was "speaking" to the Janet who runs this list. Give me a day or
two to sort some of this out and I'll let you know if I find your Patrick in
here. I have only read about 1/2-inch through this 3 inches of paper and
have a dozen or so questions already. Mr. Cassity asked me to read through
it all before I questioned him so I'm just writing them all down at this
point. Maybe some of my questions will be addressed later in the book. I
have worked the hardest on this line since it's my maiden name and thougth I
was doing find until I got "hit" with this. When it arrived in the Express
I and I read the cover letter I nearly cried. I am resisting the urge to
just throw the baby out with the bath water and chuck genealogy for good!
But I think I'm too stubborn for that.... hey, could I be Irish or
something??? : )
Linda
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Cassidy <hoppyjan(a)cpuinc.net>
To: Linda Cassidy Lewis <pure_celtic(a)bigfoot.com>
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 4:40 PM
Subject: Fermanagh Cassidys
>Linda,
>
>Who is the Janet you addressed in your "mixed up" message? Her Patrick
>might possibly be my Patrick, of Pennsylvania, He had a brother Fergus
>who joined him in the new world. They would not have beem
>contemporaries of the Fergus cited by David Cassidy, Patrick having been
>born in 1738, and as far as I know neither Patrick or Fergus ever lived
>in Virginia.
>
>Tom Cassidy
>
>
>
Hello,
I have just received a collection of research the size of the New
York City phone book that.... if correct... shows that almost everything I
was told about the early generations of my Cassity/Cassidy line is
WRONG!!!!! This research was compiled by Wm. David Cassity of Chicago, IL.
Like I said, I have just received this information and have only read the
cover letter so I am not prepared to pull my database offline this very
instant but I will certainly be reading like mad and will make any
corrections necessary as soon as possible.
Unless I am misunderstanding the cover letter it would appear that
EVERY Cassity in very early VA is descended from Cornelius Cassity who
arrived in Essex County in 1702. My initial reaction is to disagree with
this... and those of you who have discussed this with me already know that.
But if Mr. Cassity's documentation is as good as he claims I will loudly
proclaim that I was MISTAKEN.
I know that at least one other person I have communicated with
recently has Mr. Cassity's research too. Do any of the rest of you? Is it
valid? If it is we need to work together to get all this erroneous info
floating around corrected.
ACCORDING TO MR. CASSITY he starts this line in County Fermanagh,
Ireland with Fergus Cassidy born in 1605. Does anyone else on this list
descend from this Fergus? And Janet, you're looking for a Patrick aren't
you? Fergus is listed with a son Patrick (Dr.) born 1660.. is this yours?
I'm grabbing a Coke and hunkering down to read this now. I'm hoping
this is all correct but dreading that it is because of the work ahead of me
correcting all the mistakes I've made by copying the mistakes of others.
And, if I my data is all messed up... then I hate to think of all the others
who have copied from my mistakes through snail and email correspondence and
from my website perpetuating it still further.
Linda
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Taken from the book Priests and Parishes of the Diocese of Brooklyn 1820-1944
Known dates of birth, ordination, and death are listed in that respective
orderThe year of the earliest dtae is wortten in four digits. Subsequent
dates are written in the last two digits of the century.
Albert E. Cassidy, Brooklyn 7-3-1869, Mt St Mary, Emmitsburg, Md. 6-1608)
11-4-12
Pittsburgh Dioc; S Rosa Lima, Rockaway Bch 8-09-' Pittsburgh - 12
Eugene Cassidy, Ireland 1828 (St John's Fordam 7-19-51) 12-1-76 S James,
NYC -52; Holy Cross-53; S James Pro-Cath-57; S Mary Star of the Sea-76
Hugh F. Cassidy, Ireland, 1861 (GSM 1885) 2-10-86 S Mary, L.I. City-85; S
Teresa; S Joseph-86
Stephan Cassidy, Ireland, Feb 1827 (St John's Fordam St Marys Balimore, MD
1858) 10-17-61 S. Mary Star of the Sea-59; S Patrick, Kent Av-59; Holy
Cross-61
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Cassidy, McAree, McGee, Marran, Byrnes, Pattison [Patterson], Cox
Abbott, O'Brien, Rourke, Freemont, Collins
In reading the book, "EARLY ADVENTURERS ON THE WESTERN WATERS 1745-1800;
Volume 1; Kegley, Mary B. & F.B. (Green Publishers, Inc. Orange, VA)
found a small family history on CASSIDAY. This was in the New River
area in 1783. Records found in Montgomery County, VA. Mentioned was
Andrew Cassiday(Cassaday, Cashaday), took up 148 acres of land on the
east side of the New River by survey in 1783. Other names: Leah
Cassaday was accepted as administrator of the estate of Andrew Cassiday,
6 Sep 1797; Joseph Cassiday, John Cassaday who married Mary Hogan 1796,
Thomas Cassiday who married Mary Carder in 1797. A William Cassiday
bought 100 acres in 1798 and his wife was Elizabeth, thought to be
daughter of Richard Whitt.
There are two volumes of this work and very good reading on the New
River area. It is also available on fiche from the Family History
Library, so can be ordered.
Shirley Jennings Weber
Shirley,
Nice find! Thanks. I might add that in the book Chalkleys Chronicles,
it gives a small mention of Andrew Caseday in 1769 as being in "goal"
10 days as a runaway. Might be the same Andrew.
Kathy..
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> From: Shirley A. Weber <saweb(a)halcyon.com>
> Date: Wednesday, March 04, 1998 3:01 PM
>
> In reading the book, "EARLY ADVENTURERS ON THE WESTERN WATERS 1745-1800;
> Volume 1; Kegley, Mary B. & F.B. (Green Publishers, Inc. Orange, VA)
> found a small family history on CASSIDAY. This was in the New River
> area in 1783. Records found in Montgomery County, VA. Mentioned was
> Andrew Cassiday(Cassaday, Cashaday), took up 148 acres of land on the
> east side of the New River by survey in 1783. Other names: Leah
> Cassaday was accepted as administrator of the estate of Andrew Cassiday,
> 6 Sep 1797; Joseph Cassiday, John Cassaday who married Mary Hogan 1796,
> Thomas Cassiday who married Mary Carder in 1797. A William Cassiday
> bought 100 acres in 1798 and his wife was Elizabeth, thought to be
> daughter of Richard Whitt.
If you have a Cassidy (whatever spelling) database online that contains at
least 300 entries of that name and would like me to list it as a link from
my database, would you please send me the URL right away.... I mean REALLY
QUICK.
Linda
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