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Here is some more interesting information that you all might find interesting.
Jack Childers in OKC
<< Subj: [GA] Mining the Mailing Lists
Date: 05/30/1999 5:14:20 PM Central Daylight Time
From: GaLinaHist(a)aol.com
To: GEORGIA-L(a)rootsweb.com
GREAT! #9
--->Genealogy Research Easy Access Tip!
This information is excerpted from "How to Do Research on the Internet"
http://www.researchonline.net/res1.htm
Permission is explicitly granted to repost this message to other mailing
lists.
MINING THE MAILING LISTS
Step 2 of the research process involves identifying and locating available
resources. Many of us - myself included tend to ignore or scurry past this
process in order to get to the good stuff and then spend a lot of wasted
time
and wonder why we can't find what we're looking for.
Some of the deepest veins of genealogical material on line are in the
mailing
list and newsgroup archives. This GREAT tip deals with how to find and
retrieve information stored in these archives.
A careful researcher will first try to "survey the territory" and draw a
treasure map of places to research, then methodically follow the map to
check
each source. In the digital age, bibliographies differ from the old
traditional bibliographies primarily in the fact that we now have two
primary
repositories that were unavailable to "pre-net" researchers. These two
repositories are the World Wide Web and "Current Awareness Services" which
encompass the mailing lists, message boards, newsgroups, and IRC.
One of the things that makes it so very difficult to build a bibliography
for
on line research is the shear volume of what is available. I estimate there
are now something like 20,000 mailing lists dealing with genealogy, and they
are scattered across a dozen or more different servers which are
incompatible
with each other. The overview below however, should help you to sort
through
the maze.
The largest provider of mailing lists to the genealogy community is
Rootsweb.
They use a mailing list software called Smartlist.
Larry Stephens maintains a number of regional lists on Indiana.edu's
Listserv
system. Prior to mid 1997 he also maintained about a thousand surname
lists.
These were generally transferred to Rootsweb, but I do not know the status
of the message archives.
There are an estimated 2,000 mailing lists maintained by Onelist which deal
with genealogy.
Randall Haight's
Genweb.net has 10,000+ mailing lists dealing with specific
surnames and also a large number of regional lists. This system is based
on
the Majordomo software.
There are a handfull of others, but these four probably cover 95+ % of what
is currently available. The most comprehensive directory of mailing lists
and how to subscribe is located at:
http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html
Generally, this list covers what's available at Rootsweb,
Indiana.edu, and
the miscellaneous sites, but does not include the mailing lists at GENWEB or
ONELIST.
Before I tell you how to search some of the archives of the various lists,
let me briefly tell you about the message boards, newsgroups, query systems,
and such.
Newsgroup postings may be searched at:
http://www.dejanews.com
GenConnect is a Worldwide message board for genealogy messages and is the
backbone of the current query system for The USGenWeb Project, although not
all county coordinators use it. It may be searched at:
http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html
or you can access the individual county's pages from each county. This
allows you to narrow your search request to a geographic area. This system
has been in place since mid 1997. Queries prior to that time are generally
archived on the individual county pages of The USGenWeb Project and have
been
indexed as a part of The Genealogist's Index to the World Wide Web CD-ROM.
Details on this CD are available at:
http://members.aol.com/genwebindx
Genforum has a number of message boards both for individual surnames and
regional areas. They may be searched globally or individually - Very nice!
http://genforum.genealogy.com
The message boards on America OnLine prior to 1997 are all archived by month
(approximately) and may be downloaded from the Genealogy Forum of AOL.
These
message archives are also indexed on The Genealogist's Index to the World
Wide Web CD. Messages since mid 1997 are organized by surname and may be
browsed and searched on line. I understand that Prodigy and Comppuserve
have
similar systems in place. At one time, Prodigy's was the largest message
base of the major systems, but I suspect AOL has greatly outstripped it now.
There was also a large set of messages on GEnie and Delphi, but I do not
know
their status.
Procedure for searching the LISTSERV lists at
Indiana.edu
This procedure should also work with other LISTSERV lists. These are
generally served by large mainframe computer systems. You will find that
many of the more academic lists run by libraries and archives are based on
the LISTSERV software. You will recognize this by the mailing address: EX
DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU.
1. Send an email to the LISTSERV for the list - not the mailing list address
you normally use for posting messages.
SEARCH LISTNAME KEYWORD
EX.
Search DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L Hammond
sent to
LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
retrieved a list of 30 hits
Item # Date Time Recs Subject
------ ---- ---- ---- -------
000139 97/05/26 14:44 22 TOWER & HAMMOND
001112 97/07/07 11:49 88 GLOVER genealogy
001619 97/07/21 14:20 86
RUTTER-BELL-HOLT-WHEELER-RYAN-CADE-KNOWLANDWOODALL-BILICK-HELMS
001647 97/07/22 10:06 146 THOMASSON
These were also summarized in the message:
>> Item #139 (26 May 1997 14:44) - TOWER & HAMMOND
Organization: home
Subject: TOWER & HAMMOND
^^^^^^^
MIME-Version: 1.0
***************
I have a very old Bible that was given to me by a neighbor. In the
center there is a marriage record for: Chas. C Tower and Dora Hammond,
^^^^^^^
m. Jan. 1, 1878 in Stockbridge, VT. It also has information on deaths,
>> Item #1112 (7 Jul 1997 11:49) - GLOVER genealogy
GLOVER, KIRBOW, SEALE, HODGE, MCBROOM, KINCANNON, TAYLOR, HALL, HILES
GULLEY, SMITH, HAMMOND, SIMMONS, NEWTON
^^^^^^^
>> Item #1619 (21 Jul 1997 14:20) -
RUTTER-BELL-HOLT-WHEELER-RYAN-CADE-KNOWLANDWOODALL-BILICK-HELMS
3 Rosie b: Unknown in ?
+Gene Hammonds b: Unknown in ? m: Unknown in ?
^^^^^^^
4 William Hammonds b: Unknown
^^^^^^^
4 Phillip Hammonds b: Unknown
^^^^^^^
3 Norma Rutter b: Unknown in ?
Now to get the full text of a message, send the following command to the
LISTSERV
GETPOST LISTNAME MESSAGE#
EXAMPLE
GETPOST DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L 139
retrieves the first message in the index list above
Item # Date Time Recs Subject
------ ---- ---- ---- -------
000139 97/05/26 14:44 22 TOWER & HAMMOND
Note that I removed the leading zeroes from the message number. Failing to
do so will return an error.
Think of this as using a call number request slip to retrieve a book in the
archives where you do not have access to the stacks.
Procedure for searching the ONELIST lists.
These lists are searchable and retrievable using your WWW browser. Go to
http://www.onelist.com
You'll find a handy box for typing in a keyword. Some of the lists'
archives
are available to members only, and you'll have to wade past thousands of
lists that have nothing to do with genealogy, but generally speaking, you'll
find some good info. here. You can even "browse the shelves" of the
genealogy section by typing in genealogy or family history as your key word.
The contents of each mailing list is then only a couple of clicks away.
Click on the list archive for the list or search the archive by keyword.
In conclusion, we now have at our fingertips over 20,000 volumes of family
history. Some of these volumes number in the tens of thousands of pages and
are growing at the rate of hundreds of pages each day. The challenge for
the
digital researcher (and the publishers of this information) is to document
and organize this information in a way that will aid both our current
research and that of future researchers.
GREAT! #9
--->Genealogy Research Easy Access Tip!
This information is excerpted from "How to Do Research on the Internet"
http://www.researchonline.net/res1.htm
Permission is explicitly granted to repost this message to other mailing
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GREAT! #9
--->Genealogy Research Easy Access Tip!
This information is excerpted from "How to Do Research on the Internet"
http://www.researchonline.net/res1.htm
Permission is explicitly granted to repost this message to other mailing
lists.
MINING THE MAILING LISTS
Step 2 of the research process involves identifying and locating available
resources. Many of us - myself included tend to ignore or scurry past this
process in order to get to the good stuff and then spend a lot of wasted time
and wonder why we can't find what we're looking for.
Some of the deepest veins of genealogical material on line are in the mailing
list and newsgroup archives. This GREAT tip deals with how to find and
retrieve information stored in these archives.
A careful researcher will first try to "survey the territory" and draw a
treasure map of places to research, then methodically follow the map to check
each source. In the digital age, bibliographies differ from the old
traditional bibliographies primarily in the fact that we now have two primary
repositories that were unavailable to "pre-net" researchers. These two
repositories are the World Wide Web and "Current Awareness Services" which
encompass the mailing lists, message boards, newsgroups, and IRC.
One of the things that makes it so very difficult to build a bibliography for
on line research is the shear volume of what is available. I estimate there
are now something like 20,000 mailing lists dealing with genealogy, and they
are scattered across a dozen or more different servers which are incompatible
with each other. The overview below however, should help you to sort through
the maze.
The largest provider of mailing lists to the genealogy community is Rootsweb.
They use a mailing list software called Smartlist.
Larry Stephens maintains a number of regional lists on Indiana.edu's Listserv
system. Prior to mid 1997 he also maintained about a thousand surname lists.
These were generally transferred to Rootsweb, but I do not know the status
of the message archives.
There are an estimated 2,000 mailing lists maintained by Onelist which deal
with genealogy.
Randall Haight's
Genweb.net has 10,000+ mailing lists dealing with specific
surnames and also a large number of regional lists. This system is based on
the Majordomo software.
There are a handfull of others, but these four probably cover 95+ % of what
is currently available. The most comprehensive directory of mailing lists
and how to subscribe is located at:
http://members.aol.com/johnf14246/gen_mail.html
Generally, this list covers what's available at Rootsweb,
Indiana.edu, and
the miscellaneous sites, but does not include the mailing lists at GENWEB or
ONELIST.
Before I tell you how to search some of the archives of the various lists,
let me briefly tell you about the message boards, newsgroups, query systems,
and such.
Newsgroup postings may be searched at:
http://www.dejanews.com
GenConnect is a Worldwide message board for genealogy messages and is the
backbone of the current query system for The USGenWeb Project, although not
all county coordinators use it. It may be searched at:
http://surhelp.rootsweb.com/srchall.html
or you can access the individual county's pages from each county. This
allows you to narrow your search request to a geographic area. This system
has been in place since mid 1997. Queries prior to that time are generally
archived on the individual county pages of The USGenWeb Project and have been
indexed as a part of The Genealogist's Index to the World Wide Web CD-ROM.
Details on this CD are available at:
http://members.aol.com/genwebindx
Genforum has a number of message boards both for individual surnames and
regional areas. They may be searched globally or individually - Very nice!
http://genforum.genealogy.com
The message boards on America OnLine prior to 1997 are all archived by month
(approximately) and may be downloaded from the Genealogy Forum of AOL. These
message archives are also indexed on The Genealogist's Index to the World
Wide Web CD. Messages since mid 1997 are organized by surname and may be
browsed and searched on line. I understand that Prodigy and Comppuserve have
similar systems in place. At one time, Prodigy's was the largest message
base of the major systems, but I suspect AOL has greatly outstripped it now.
There was also a large set of messages on GEnie and Delphi, but I do not know
their status.
Procedure for searching the LISTSERV lists at
Indiana.edu
This procedure should also work with other LISTSERV lists. These are
generally served by large mainframe computer systems. You will find that
many of the more academic lists run by libraries and archives are based on
the LISTSERV software. You will recognize this by the mailing address: EX
DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU.
1. Send an email to the LISTSERV for the list - not the mailing list address
you normally use for posting messages.
SEARCH LISTNAME KEYWORD
EX.
Search DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L Hammond
sent to
LISTSERV(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
retrieved a list of 30 hits
Item # Date Time Recs Subject
------ ---- ---- ---- -------
000139 97/05/26 14:44 22 TOWER & HAMMOND
001112 97/07/07 11:49 88 GLOVER genealogy
001619 97/07/21 14:20 86
RUTTER-BELL-HOLT-WHEELER-RYAN-CADE-KNOWLANDWOODALL-BILICK-HELMS
001647 97/07/22 10:06 146 THOMASSON
These were also summarized in the message:
>> Item #139 (26 May 1997 14:44) - TOWER & HAMMOND
Organization: home
Subject: TOWER & HAMMOND
^^^^^^^
MIME-Version: 1.0
***************
I have a very old Bible that was given to me by a neighbor. In the
center there is a marriage record for: Chas. C Tower and Dora Hammond,
^^^^^^^
m. Jan. 1, 1878 in Stockbridge, VT. It also has information on deaths,
>> Item #1112 (7 Jul 1997 11:49) - GLOVER genealogy
GLOVER, KIRBOW, SEALE, HODGE, MCBROOM, KINCANNON, TAYLOR, HALL, HILES
GULLEY, SMITH, HAMMOND, SIMMONS, NEWTON
^^^^^^^
>> Item #1619 (21 Jul 1997 14:20) -
RUTTER-BELL-HOLT-WHEELER-RYAN-CADE-KNOWLANDWOODALL-BILICK-HELMS
3 Rosie b: Unknown in ?
+Gene Hammonds b: Unknown in ? m: Unknown in ?
^^^^^^^
4 William Hammonds b: Unknown
^^^^^^^
4 Phillip Hammonds b: Unknown
^^^^^^^
3 Norma Rutter b: Unknown in ?
Now to get the full text of a message, send the following command to the
LISTSERV
GETPOST LISTNAME MESSAGE#
EXAMPLE
GETPOST DEEP-SOUTH-ROOTS-L 139
retrieves the first message in the index list above
Item # Date Time Recs Subject
------ ---- ---- ---- -------
000139 97/05/26 14:44 22 TOWER & HAMMOND
Note that I removed the leading zeroes from the message number. Failing to
do so will return an error.
Think of this as using a call number request slip to retrieve a book in the
archives where you do not have access to the stacks.
Procedure for searching the ONELIST lists.
These lists are searchable and retrievable using your WWW browser. Go to
http://www.onelist.com
You'll find a handy box for typing in a keyword. Some of the lists' archives
are available to members only, and you'll have to wade past thousands of
lists that have nothing to do with genealogy, but generally speaking, you'll
find some good info. here. You can even "browse the shelves" of the
genealogy section by typing in genealogy or family history as your key word.
The contents of each mailing list is then only a couple of clicks away.
Click on the list archive for the list or search the archive by keyword.
In conclusion, we now have at our fingertips over 20,000 volumes of family
history. Some of these volumes number in the tens of thousands of pages and
are growing at the rate of hundreds of pages each day. The challenge for the
digital researcher (and the publishers of this information) is to document
and organize this information in a way that will aid both our current
research and that of future researchers.
GREAT! #9
--->Genealogy Research Easy Access Tip!
This information is excerpted from "How to Do Research on the Internet"
http://www.researchonline.net/res1.htm
Permission is explicitly granted to repost this message to other mailing
lists.
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