I looked at "ira casey" in the 1840 census. I do think it is I R A, rather
than JNO. In part, I think this because the census taker spells out John
elsewhere on the page rather than using the Jno abbreviation. I have
another hypothesis, however:
Could Ira Casey actually be Aaron Casey? Here's my thinking:
In another census, and a non-Casey branch of my family, a boy named Aaron
was recorded as Ira or Iran. This could have happened as a matter of
census-taker background, combined with what my mother so delicately put as
"substandard Southern speech" (Who really knows what American English in
Wayne TN sounded like in 1840, anyway??). The name of the boy in my family
was spoken of as Eye-uh ruhn. Not hard to see how that could have been
confused with Ira. This Aaron was from Henderson Co TN, not far from Wayne
County.
Now, I haven't been closely following your genealogy, DLC and others, so I
just offer this as a hypothesis.
Rita Casey
on 4/22/07 3:02 AM, casey-request(a)rootsweb.com at casey-request(a)rootsweb.com
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Wayne Co, TN Caseys (jec2(a)gte.net)
2. Caseys from Co Tipp (Scott Humphrey)
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It was quite common for John to abbreviated as Jno, Charles as Chas, James as
Jas, Thomas as Thos, William as Wm, et cetera in centuries prior to the 20th.
It gradually waned over the years, but various census enumerators continued to
use the abbreviations throught the years. I use them occasionally.
The problem is not the abbreviations, but the change in cursive writing and
modern transcribers ability to read the older cursive.
Some J's looked like I's or vice versa, so it behooves us to look carefully
and verify the modern transcriber's interpretation. The transcription problem
needs to be kept in mind with the indexes as we find them on the internet.
Look at all transcriptions with suspicion until you make your own review of
the "original" writing.
Jim Crownover-
> From: VondaD(a)aol.com
> Date: 2007/04/20 Fri PM 12:40:04 CDT
> To: casey(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CASEY] Wayne Co, TN Caseys
>
> You are absolutely right that census takers often abbreviated John as Jno
> and I had made a note on my copy the 1830 census image (which I had
> enlarged)
> questioning whether the name was Ira (as transcribed by
Ancestry.com) or
> Jno.
> There are 3 other Johns and a Joshua on that same page and the "Js" in
all
> those names look the same as the first letter of the name transcribed as
> Ira.
> My only question was why did the census taker choose to write out the name
> John in 3 cases and abbreviate it in the other? Long ago I stopped trying to
> get inside the head of a census taker!!
>
> I am just curious about the 3 Casey children listed in the 1850 Wayne County
> census. Perhaps their father died and their mother remarried or perhaps both
> parents died. I was hoping maybe someone knew something about the family.
> The 1840 Wayne County census shows Wilson Casey with children in the
> household
> whose ages match those of the children shown on the 1850 census. Anyone know
> what happened to Wilson after 1840? Has he been found on a census after that
> date?
>
> Vonda
>
>
> In a message dated 4/20/2007 5:49:23 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
> dlc(a)casey-genealogy.com writes:
>
> Just for what it's worth, the Jas. H. Casey in the 1840 Wayne Co., TN census
> is beyond a doubt my ancestor (I of kit #45068).
>
> Since a lot of this query is about a John Casey, I would recommend folks
> look at the actual census images for 1830 where we find a Willis, Wilson,
> and IRA Casey, because I've looked at the images and believe Ira _may_
> actually be _Jno_ Casey (why is Jno. an abbreviation for John -- in other
> words why does John need to be abbreviated?). I could be wrong, and I think
> that this has been perpetuated by someone transcribing that census for us
> somewhere online as Ira for all this time when it's actually Jno...
>
> And some other BTW's: There are only 2 Caseys in the 1820 Wayne Co., TN
> census - bothAbners. James H. Casey's Memoriam states he was born in SC
> (Spartanburg) but was in Wayne Co., TN by 1820...of course he would have
> only been 7 in 1820 being born in 1813...and only 1 of these Abners had a
> male child of that right age... The 1830 census showing a Willis Casey is
> interesting as Jas. H. Casey later names one of his sons Willis Casey (b.
> 1836)...making me think this Willis Casey is either is uncle or perhaps an
> older brother (?)...
>
> Well, just tidbits from me at this late insomniac hour...
>
>
> "We CAN do eet!" -- Rob Schneider in any of a number of Adam Sandler
> movies...
>
> DLC
>
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2007 18:08:37 -0700
From: Scott Humphrey <sactoscott(a)juno.com>
Subject: [CASEY] Caseys from Co Tipp
To: casey(a)rootsweb.com
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Hi-
Is there anyone researching their Casey family coming from Co Tipp to MA?
Specifically, I think most of my family arrived between 1860 and 1875.
Thanks,
Scott
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