George-
Thanks for sharing your amazing information. I can't find a connector with
your line but to view the work is impressive and gives one of your "lost
cousins" hope that my family information is out there still floating around.
A real pat on the back for your work!
Janie Lynn Panagopoulos
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Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: Peter CASE part 6 of descendants
41. Josephine Elizabeth6 CASE [16] (Thomas5, Walter4, Henry3,
Obia2,
Peter1), born 26 Mar 1876 in Plaistow, West Ham; died,, 20 Jul 1960 in
156 Caulfield Rd., East Ham; buried 28 Jul 1960 in East London cemetery
(grave 41098). She married on 25 Dec 1896 in St Lukes, Victoria Docks,
West
Ham county William TAYLOR [17], born Est 1869 in Barnsley, Yorks (so
others
believe); died Mar 1920 R in West Ham County, son of Charles TAYLOR
[156]
and Mrs (TAYLOR) Taylor [249] .
Notes for Josephine Elizabeth CASE
Biography: Born at 20 Brunel Street, Canning Town off Victoria Dock Rd
(see Lizzie's birth certificate). Lived at 22 York St., (1881 census),
Later
lived at 61 Mary St., Canning Town in 1900/1901 (M A Taylor's
birth
Cert.),
By the outbreak of the second World War she was living in Vincent
St.,
then
moved to Stratford, London until 1949 where she moved in with her
daughter
(my Aunt) Lillian and Jim Graves at 156 Caulfield Road East Ham. My gran,
Lizzie, used to buy bacon bones, boil them and make bacon bone soup - a
mouth-watering aroma pervading the house, she also kept rabbits. Lizzie
and
Hetty were very close. See Hetty for further information.
Eldest sibling (Mary Ann) shown as born 1858, born in Westoe, South
Shields. Eldest child (William George) born 1898 (Lizzie aged 22). 9
children. Youngest son (Fred) born 1910 (Lizzie aged 34).
Probably interred in East London Cemetery, nr.Plaistow,.
1881 Census page 01824 shown as Elizabeth Case age 5 born Plaistow
district; Census district West Ham 1713 65 13 1341409. Others living at
same
address (22 York St) were: Caroline (mother), Hannah (aged 7),
Henrietta
(10), Mary Ann (23 unmarried born Sth Shields, Durham - page 01825, 1713
64
12 1341409), Minerva (13) and Walter (8) both born Plaistow, Essex on
page
01825, 1713 65 13 1341409.
Vincent St., E16 is off Rogers Rd & off 1890 Avenue nr Dock
Settlement.
1891 Census some of family lived at 61 Vincent St but 'Lizzie' not
there
that night, nor at 61 Mary St!
During WWII stayed for some time in Barnsley - others included
Harriet,
Hetty and Elsie.
RELATIONSHIPS: 1st cousin of Edmund George CASE and the 3rd cousin to
Charles Hedley Palmer and to Lucy Palmer (b. 1863) Found after much
searching
of each quarter of the years 1892 to 1900) for both London or
Yorkshire
Sources for Josephine Elizabeth CASE
Superintendent Registrar. Certified Copy Of An Entry Of Birth For The
Above. Certificate. 332. G E Toth, 170 Stockport Road, Cheadle Heath,,
Stockport, SK3 0NW, Cheshire, UK, Date of entry: 28 Apr 1876.
Extract from Birth Cert. of Josephine Elizabeth CASE. She rarely used the
Josephine and was known as Lizzie.
1876 West Ham, County of Essex
332
26 March 1876, 20 Brunel St., Plaistow
Josephine Elizabeth
girl
Thomas CASE, a dock labourer
Carloline Case formerley Allington
Informant: X the mark of Caroline Case, mother of 20 Brunel St.
Registered on 28 April 1876
G E Toth. Interviews With Phyllis McCartney & Vera Armstrong, Jun/July
1999. Telephone & Postal Notes. G E Toth, 170 Stockport Road, Cheadle
Heath,,
Stockport, SK3 0NW, Cheshire, UK,
!Biography: Lizzie used to live with her sister Hetty (during the 2nd
world
war) in Vincent St., Canning Town before moving in with daughter Lil
& Jim
Graves in Caulfield Rd. East Ham. Lizzie used to make bacon bone soup by
boiling the bacon bone creating a mouth-watering aroma wafting through the
house. She was a lovely little lady who worked as a ship scrubber to make
ends meet.
1881 British Census LDS. 1713 65 13 1341409. Family History Centre,
Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, Altrincham Road,,
Wythenshawe,,
Manchester, M22 4BJ, Date of entry: Apr 1881.
Census 1881
Head of house: Caroline Case Head's age: 46
Head's occupation: Cloth cutter+
Address shown: 22 York St,
Parish: West Ham
Relationship to head: Daughter
Age at census: 5 Dob: 1876 Birthplace: Plaistow, Essex
Birth qtr: June 1876 Occupation: ?
Mother: Caroline Case Maiden name: Allerton Mother's age: 46 thus bn. abt
1835 (before civil registration)
PRO piece no.: 1713 Folio No.: 65 Page No.: 13
GSV film: 1341409 Gfolio: Gpage:
Street index no.: 1713 64 12 1341409
Date of death: 20/7/60
1891 British Census. 91C20?-1322 ED 24 or 1321 ED 23. Family History
Centre, Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, Altrincham Road,,
Wythenshawe,, Manchester, M22 4BJ, Date of entry: Apr 1891.
Civil Parish: West Ham, Municipla Borough: West Ham, Municipal Ward:
Canning
Town, Ecclesiastical Parish or District: Holy Trinity, Parliamentary
Borough:
south West Ham for Shirley St.
61 Mary St., Canning Town:
Not J Elizabeth Taylor here on this date.
It was Emma Barker & children.
fiche 1322 ED 24
61 Vincent St., lived Caroline Case, widow plus 3 children - fiche 1321 ED
23
at 62 Vincent St., lived the WHITE family.
Notes for William TAYLOR
Biography: Died aged 47. Info not verified. Thus, if true & he was
born
in 1869 then he died about 1916.
Marriage certificate suggests he was 27 in 1896 (Christmas day
marriage)
therefore calculated birth year 1869.
Informed that daughter Ellen was about 7 when William passed away.
Since
Ellen was born in 1908, then William's death would have occurred
about
1915
(source Vera). If aged 47 when deceased, then birth year was about
1868.
If born in 1865 then he would have been 33 when first child (William
George) was born, 34 when Harriet was born and 35 when Mary Ann (Bessie)
born. At the birth of the eldest child in 1915 he would have been 50!
If William died in 1920 (two sources both cousins) at the age of 47
then
his birth year would be 1873/1874. Searched Death indexes for 1919
(March
,
June qrts) and 1920 all quarters, 1921 March & June, 1932 (Mar
& June).
Try
1919 (Sept & Dec qrters) and 1921 Sept/Dec).
In that case if he was born in 1873 then he would have been 25 when
first
known child (William George) was born, 26 when Harriet was born and
27
when
Mary Ann (Bessie) born. At the birth of the eldest child in 1915 he
would
have been 42!
Siblings: Samuel, Hannah, Lucy (married a Mr Greenoff), Charlotte and
Frederick. (Source: Phyllis)
Searched birth indices for 1865/6, 1868/70, 1873/75 added results as
separate individuals since no clue that any are this individual.
Children:
William George born 1898 suspected age of William Taylor 28 to 29
Harriett 1899 29 to 30 Mary Ann 1900 30 to 32 Henrietta 1906 2 others
then
Ellen Elizabeth 1908 38 to 40 Fred 1910 40 to 42 Hannah 1912 42 to
44
Search for birth index info for the above children.
Told that his family were shopkeepers (source Vera).
The name Taylor is a Kentish name of Norman origin and first appears
in
the ancient records of Kent pre 1100 AD
The name Taylor also appears to be of Palatinate family origins of
Gaulish origin (now Germany/France (Normandy)).
Search census records for 1871 & 1891 both Yorkshire and Essex
counties
but could have been anywhere in UK? .
Removals: St John's Road is 1) off Barking Rd., & High St. North, East
Ham E6 St John's Road is 2) off Fords Park Rd., Canning Town, E16 61
Vincent
St. 61 Mary St
Occupations: 1896 - a Glass Blower. Note Glassmakers were very mobile,
with a habit of marrying into other glass conected families, by so doing
keeping the trade secrets in a close knit community. Look fo rother glass
links in the family.
1891 British Census. 1320 ED 19. Family History Centre, Church Of
Jesus
Christ Of Latter Day Saints, Altrincham Road,, Wythenshawe,,
Manchester,
M22
4BJ, Date of entry: 1891.
Searched 1891 census for this person in St Johns Rd, but none found
Children of Josephine Elizabeth CASE and William TAYLOR were as
follows:
+ 64 i Harriet7 TAYLOR [21], born, 26 Mar 1899 in Vincent
St.,
Canning Town; died abt 1972/73 in West Ham; buried in City of London
cemetary. She married Nicholas AREOFF [22].
+ 65 ii Mary Ann or Bessie7 TAYLOR [31], born, 28 Dec 1900 in 61
Mary
St. Canning Town, West Ham; died 31 Jan 1985 in Selly Oak Hospital;
buried
8 Feb1985 in Lodge Hill Crematoriam, Selly Oak. She married John
William
Paul TOTH [38].
66 iii May7 TAYLOR [58], born Stillborn. May was stillborn
+ 67 iv Lilian7 TAYLOR [133], born <1902/03 in Canning Town, West
Ham,
Essex; died Dec 1977; buried in City of London Cemetery. She
married
James
B GRAVES [131].
+ 68 v Henrietta (or Hetty)7 TAYLOR [14], born, 19 Mar 1906 in
Vincent St., Canning Town; died 6 Jan 1995 in St Pauls Home, Aged 88. She
married Robert Charles (or Bob) ALGER [13].
+ 69 vi Ellen Elizabeth7 TAYLOR [18], born 14 Jun 1908 in West Ham;
died 4 Apr 1987 in St Andrews Hospital, Bow, E3. She married Daniel
Frederick TAYLOR [95].
+ 70 vii Frederick7 TAYLOR [90], born,, 26 Jul 1910 in Canning
Town,
West Ham County; died, 13 May 1967 in Billericay; buried in
Corbets
Tay,
(Upminster) Cemetary. He married Lily Louisa (EVERITT) Taylor
[119].
71 viii Hannah7 TAYLOR [114], born Dec 1912 in Est Canning Town;
died, 14 Sep 1935 in Whipps Cross; buried 23 Sep 1935 in East London
cemetary. Died at 22 of Peritanitus. Spinster and sister of Ellen, Bess,
Harriet, Lill, Fred etc. Died in Whipps Cross Hospital. Ellen took Iris
to
see her in hospital. Source Vera. DEATH: Aged 22 BURIAL: grave
28419,
East
London cemetary
George Toth
Stockport
Cheshire
UK
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