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Tom,
> Do you have any information about an outfit doing business from Salt Lake
> City called Kempe & Associates? They bill themselves as "forensic
> genealogists?"
"FORENSIC - something for court use; a forensic genealogist produces
genealogical documentation and testimony to be used by courts in
determining heirship and entitlement of heirs. ARB staff have qualified
to present evidence as forensic genealogists."
Out of curiosity, I checked on the web, and found just ONE site that
dealt with this term.
http://www.heirfinder.com/glossary.htm
Cheers!
Lori
In a message dated 99-01-26 21:04:08 EST, you write:
<< Subj: Re: Wm. R. Case/Terry(a)rahab.net
Date: 99-01-26 21:04:08 EST
From: Edeew99(a)aol.com
Reply-to: Case-Family-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: Case-Family-L(a)rootsweb.com
In a message dated 1/26/99 12:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SweetJazz5(a)aol.com writes:
<< Wm R. Case b. 11 Dec 1811 Pa d. 10 May 1873 Warren Co.IA m Jan 13
1835 Fayette Co. IND. to Sarah Ann Dillard b. 13 Feb 1817 In. d. 1894.>>
Guess all addresses accounted for in this email ;-).
YES I WAS RESPONDING TO TERRY'S EMAIL. DID THAT TO CATCH HER EYE.
Do you have the children for above William Rice CASE & Sarah DILLARD?
I show George H. b.1836, Rachel A b.1837 m.Ezekiel ROBINSON, Mary J.
b.1838, Thomas H. b.1840 m. 1860 Jane VANCE, Hannah A. b.1845,
Charles L. b.1849, Amanda b.c1853, William Rice b.c1855, James C. b.
1857 d.1921 CA m.c1880 Melinda LAWHEAD.
.......................EdeeW >>
YES HAVE ALL PLUS THREE INFANTS. Sorry. I am not shouting ..trying to
distinquish your type from mine. Also have William Dillard instead of William
Rice for son.
George Henry b. 11 Oct 1835 m 12 Nov 1863 Harriet Woodcock; Rachel Ann
(same);Mary Jane b. 1838 m. Crawford Houge; Thomas Hughes b 2 Apr l840 d. 1890
m Jane Vance; infant Catherine Arminda b 16 Dec 1841 d 18 Feb 1842; infant
Eliza. Maria b 24 Dec 1843 d. 21 Nov. 1845; Hannah Adaline b. 12 Nove 1844 d
23 Oct 1876 age 32, m. John W. Jellison;infant Nance Melisa b. 17 Apr 1846 d
25 Jan 1848; Charles Lee(MY LINE) b 20 Jan 1848 d 12 Apr 1919 m 20 Dec 1871
Julia Frances Cowan, Benjamin Franklin b. 27 Jan 1850 d 1875; Amanda Eliz. b.
21 Feb 1853;William Dillard b 1855 d 10 June 1855; James c b 14 Apr 1857 d
1921 m. 22 Jan 1880 Malinda Lawhead; (All born IND); Susanneh b 1862 Iowa.
I am interested in finding the parents of William Rice Case. Thanks.
In a message dated 99-01-26 20:20:55 EST, you write:
<<
I am also looking for a William Case. He came to Louisiana at age 16. Married
in Iberville Parish
LA in 1846 In the 1850 Iberville Census he was 20 years old. That Census has
his birthplace as
ILL but he claimed that he came to LA from Rising Sun, Indiana. I personally
feel he hopped a boat
on the Ohio River possibly worked on one, and Came here. This is all I have
on
Him. he named his
first 2 children Samuel and Catherine. There is no one of these names on his
wifes side .She was
of Spanish descent. does this sound familiar?
Bob Carlin
downdabuy(a)aol.com >>
Too young for mine and my William's kids were born later than this
William.....
Sixteen is really young for a man to marry. Interesting.
SweetJazz5(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 99-01-26 11:17:31 EST, you write:
>
> << SweetJazz5(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Looking for family/parents of William R. Case b. 1811 Pa resided Indiana
> > 1850.
>
>
> Where at in Indiana? I found a William Case who married Mahala Case 20
> May 1827 in Harrison County, Indiana >>
>
> Thanks for help. I just started this search and didn't post all information.
> Here it is again (for the first time...lol....) Fayette is the Co. in IND.
>
> Wm R. Case b. 11 Dec 1811 Pa d. 10 May 1873 Warren Co. Iowa m Jan 13 1835
> Fayette Co. IND. to Sarah Ann Dillard b. 13 Feb 1817 In. d. 1894.
It's Corydon, Harrison County Indiana.
Terry
--
Teresa (Terry) Straub
terry(a)rahab.net
Harrison County, Indiana Coordinator, USGen Web
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inharris/
Surnames I am researching:
Applegate (Ky/IN), Arquett (NE/WA), Anderson (Ill/NE/England), Bennett
(IN/Ill/NE/KS), Brewer (KY/IN/Ill), Brown (IN/Ky/Ill), Burkholder (NE),
Case (MO), Comstock (MO), Darling (NY/Ill/KS/OK/Co), Dayton (Ill/KS/CO),
Downing (KS/Ill), Goodwin (IN), Huber (OH/Ill), Henson (KY), Hockett
(KS/OK), Keen (IN), Lamb (IN), Litchenthaller (MO), Long
(Ill/KY/MO/KS/OK), Metcalf (Ky/OK/IN), Meek (Ill/IN), McWilliams
(OH/Ill/Ireland), Palmer (KS), Phillips (MO), Saffer (IN), Shields
(IN/Ill), Snodgrass (IN/KY), Smith (KY/IN/NE/England), Stratton (MO),
Taylor (NE),
In a message dated 1/26/99 12:16:08 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SweetJazz5(a)aol.com writes:
<< Wm R. Case b. 11 Dec 1811 Pa d. 10 May 1873 Warren Co.IA m Jan 13
1835 Fayette Co. IND. to Sarah Ann Dillard b. 13 Feb 1817 In. d. 1894.>>
Guess all addresses accounted for in this email ;-).
Do you have the children for above William Rice CASE & Sarah DILLARD?
I show George H. b.1836, Rachel A b.1837 m.Ezekiel ROBINSON, Mary J.
b.1838, Thomas H. b.1840 m. 1860 Jane VANCE, Hannah A. b.1845,
Charles L. b.1849, Amanda b.c1853, William Rice b.c1855, James C. b.
1857 d.1921 CA m.c1880 Melinda LAWHEAD.
.......................EdeeW
I am also looking for a William Case. He came to Louisiana at age 16. Married
in Iberville Parish
LA in 1846 In the 1850 Iberville Census he was 20 years old. That Census has
his birthplace as
ILL but he claimed that he came to LA from Rising Sun, Indiana. I personally
feel he hopped a boat
on the Ohio River possibly worked on one, and Came here. This is all I have on
Him. he named his
first 2 children Samuel and Catherine. There is no one of these names on his
wifes side .She was
of Spanish descent. does this sound familiar?
Bob Carlin
downdabuy(a)aol.com
Brian:
Do you have any information about an outfit doing business from Salt Lake
City called Kempe & Associates? They bill themselves as "forensic
genealogists?"
They came out of the blue and contacted a friend about a recent death in the
family, no known heirs, etc.
Thanks.
Tom in Pittsburgh
Annie,
I have a Liewellyn Milford Case born July 06, 1866 in Conquest, Cayuga
County, New York married to a Ida Miller born September 19, 1868 in Auburn,
Cayuga County, New York they were married on May 01, 1885 in Clifford, Lapeer
County, Michigan. I have them with 9 children
+Viola Victoria Case b.January 27, 1886
married Perry Firicke b.March 01, 1882
Francis F. Firicke b.January 06, 1905
Jane L. Firicke b.June 26, 1906
Mae G. Firicke b.May 30, 1908
Verne I. Firicke b.February 19, 1912
Gehe P. Firicke b.January 08, 1914
George A. Firicke b.August 05, 1915
Alton L. Firicke b.July 25, 1917
Fannie Esther Case b.August 31, 1887
Nathan Murray Case b.February 11, 1889
Charles Edwin Case b.February 16, 1891
Letha Addie Case b.June 12, 1895
Josephine Evelyn Case b.October 11, 1896
Arthur Lewellyn Case b.April 06, 1900
Roy Alexander Case b.March 22, 1902
Ruth ? Case b.July 09, 1912
If this is the right family I have 4 generations of Liewellyn Milford Case
ancestors and one of Ida Miller will be glad to share anything I have. I do
not have anything more on his descendants. Liewellyn is my 2 cousin 4 times
removed.
I look forward to hearing from you
Gods blessings to you
Tom
> Hello Everyone
>
> I have been asked to reply to some questions concerning
> our previous postings about the Gustave ANJOU forgeries
> and possibly clear up some confusion.
>
> First let us all understand something about Gustave ANJOU
> (1863-1942) born in Sweden ,and after serving a prison term
> there for forgery, he came to this country in 1890.
>
> ANJOU turned out many "genealogies" for those who could pay
> his fee of $9,000 and up His report took aprox. 3 weeks and included
> a coat of arms, surname history etc There is no great money in
producing
> a printed genealogy and ANJOU found an easier way to become very
> wealthy.
>
> The reports were in manuscript form and were ment for his client.
There
> was never any thought at this time of our history that everything in
the
> "genealogy" could be verified and since the more he produced, the
> more his fees while each completed "genealogy" would lead to
> additional clients through the false lines.
>
> In later life ,when the Genealogy Bubble burst, he produced many
> lines and sold them by mail at reduced prices, So there are many
> out there especially those of the English common names and it
> appears as if he found the German and Dutch lines were difficult
> for outsiders to trace so he excelled with them.
>
> All of the 'genealogies" were written around existing records that
were
> gathered from the client and through obvious sources that could be
proved.
> However, ANJOU then placed wills, births, deaths etc. that were his
> inventions, into various lines and then continued up another line that
> had many proven sources.
>
> A client was so overwhelmed with data that the false entries were
> accepted without question for the most part.
>
> It wasn't until later years that it was determined that ALL of Anjou's
> works were fraudulent and each and every entry must be searched
> and proven by original sources.
>
> At times he would tie lines throughout Europe by creating his own
> parishes and then using that as a source for wills, births, deaths
> etc., all false. He would also list non existing church records he
> "found" in established true parishes.
>
> Now we can trace those records. At the time they were introduced
> it was most difficult.
>
> If you have lines that are listed on our web site the first thing you
> will want to do is have someone copy the manuscript at it's location
> to make it available for research. Then determine the line.
>
> You will never determine a false entry just from lookin at it and each
> entry must be researched.
>
> Many original manuscripts have found their way into public hands
> and information contained within them have been passed on through
> the years by trusting writers.
>
> Be very careful of all entries that bring a collateral line into a
genealogy.
> You will not find the normal factor of a lot of missing maiden names
with
> ANJOU , he made sure they all had maiden names connecting to lines
> that had many proven sources.
>
> Male births will appear with sources to parents (starting another
> line) who never had children or who had proven children but his birth
> was never found.
>
> I urge you all to read the data we have on our web site at;
>
> http://www.linkline.com/personal/xymox/
>
>
>
> We direct you to sources for additional reading through the
> "Genealogical Journal" published by the Utah Genealogical
> Association. Their internet address is;
>
> http://www.infouga.org/
>
> The Genealogical Journal Volume 19 Numbers 1 and 2 of
> 1991 contains six articles on various genealogy frauds including
> two fine ones on Gustave Anjou.
>
> I hope this helps and makes you aware that there is much information
> out there. Some of it created by frauds. We will cover some of these
> people from time to time.
>
> When ever you receive a piece of information, ask yourself "Where
> did this come from?". Make it a point to source everything back to its
> original source. If an item is not sourced, you have nothing but a
> PROBABLE and you must not follow further until you can prove it.
>
> It is sad to say but we all have spent much time researching lines
> that are not ours.
>
> Also another point. NO FAMILY HISTORY IS A SOURCE. Only the
> primary sourced information within the History may be considered
> as reliable.
>
> If any of you come across anything written by an ANJOU, please
> call it to our attention so we may inform those whose lines it touches
> and they in turn can trace down the problem entries.
>
> The best to you all and happy hunting.
>
> Harold Oliver
> Director
> America's First Families
SweetJazz5(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Looking for family/parents of William R. Case b. 1811 Pa resided Indiana
> 1850.
Where at in Indiana? I found a William Case who married Mahala Case 20
May 1827 in Harrison County, Indiana.
IT lists the following in the Certificate book
5/19/1827 William Case child of Nathaniel Case by James Case
Mahala Case
Just for everyone else's info there are a couple of other Cases listed
12/24/1852 John Case
Mary Ann Miller child of father Joseph Miller
6/30/1855 Nathan Shoe maker
Lucinda G Case
6/13/1837 James Kitterman child of father John Kitterman
Sarah Case
4/27/1865 William H. Davis
Sousan A. Case (this is the way the book spelled her name)
In my newspaper book for Corydon Indina, it list the following on Cases.
6 March 1879 Marriage licence William J. Treece and Dora Case
14 March 1889 Marriage Licence Reuben E. Case and Mary C. Gresham
23 April 1885 Marriage Licence William R. Lane and Mary E. Case
Hope this helps someone.
Terry
--
Teresa (Terry) Straub
terry(a)rahab.net
Harrison County, Indiana Coordinator, USGen Web
http://www.rootsweb.com/~inharris/
Surnames I am researching:
Applegate (Ky/IN), Arquett (NE/WA), Anderson (Ill/NE/England), Bennett
(IN/Ill/NE/KS), Brewer (KY/IN/Ill), Brown (IN/Ky/Ill), Burkholder (NE),
Case (MO), Comstock (MO), Darling (NY/Ill/KS/OK/Co), Dayton (Ill/KS/CO),
Downing (KS/Ill), Goodwin (IN), Huber (OH/Ill), Henson (KY), Hockett
(KS/OK), Keen (IN), Lamb (IN), Litchenthaller (MO), Long
(Ill/KY/MO/KS/OK), Metcalf (Ky/OK/IN), Meek (Ill/IN), McWilliams
(OH/Ill/Ireland), Palmer (KS), Phillips (MO), Saffer (IN), Shields
(IN/Ill), Snodgrass (IN/KY), Smith (KY/IN/NE/England), Stratton (MO),
Taylor (NE),
In a message dated 99-01-26 11:17:31 EST, you write:
<< SweetJazz5(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Looking for family/parents of William R. Case b. 1811 Pa resided Indiana
> 1850.
Where at in Indiana? I found a William Case who married Mahala Case 20
May 1827 in Harrison County, Indiana >>
Thanks for help. I just started this search and didn't post all information.
Here it is again (for the first time...lol....) Fayette is the Co. in IND.
Wm R. Case b. 11 Dec 1811 Pa d. 10 May 1873 Warren Co. Iowa m Jan 13 1835
Fayette Co. IND. to Sarah Ann Dillard b. 13 Feb 1817 In. d. 1894.
Roberta and Edeew, and all of you that want to know...
> If I understand the answers to Edee's conundrum, putting 'reply to name'
> is how it could be done to make it very clear who the message is
> replying to while at the same ime keeping everyone on the list informed
> as well??? Have I got it?
As you see, the Reply To: was addressed to the mail list.
My greeting was to Roberta, EdeeW and anyone else that cared to see what
I said :)
IF you reply and want the group to see it, then Reply To: will get the
group address. If you only want to reply to the person that asked a
question, you will need edit the address in Mail To: to read the
person's address. This is a copy/paste function...
Cheers!
Lori
Reply to Edee.
Edee, I have wondered this very thing, I'm gald you brought it up!
If I understand the answers to Edee's conundrum, putting 'reply to name'
is how it could be done to make it very clear who the message is
replying to while at the same ime keeping everyone on the list informed
as well??? Have I got it?
Roberta
Edeew99(a)aol.com wrote:
> How come, no matter whether I put addition addresses in the TO or
> COPY TO columns - they never how up on the Case-Family emails??
> If I send TO the Case-Family with 3 addresses in the COPY TO,
> shouldn't they all show up on the main Case-Family email? Am I
> making this as clear as mud?
> My aim is to have ALL the addresses show up on one email. Its
> very confusing to read an email that seems to be addressing someone
> but the only addressee is Case-Family.
> ..................EdeeW
RIGHT!!!! ONLY ONE MESSAGE - ONE ADDRESS!!!!!! Carole, walkerc(a)gnes.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Edeew99(a)aol.com <Edeew99(a)aol.com>
To: Case-Family-L(a)rootsweb.com <Case-Family-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: Email
>How come, no matter whether I put addition addresses in the TO or
>COPY TO columns - they never how up on the Case-Family emails??
>If I send TO the Case-Family with 3 addresses in the COPY TO,
>shouldn't they all show up on the main Case-Family email? Am I
>making this as clear as mud?
>My aim is to have ALL the addresses show up on one email. Its
>very confusing to read an email that seems to be addressing someone
>but the only addressee is Case-Family.
>..................EdeeW
>
>
Edee,
> How come, no matter whether I put addition addresses in the TO or
> COPY TO columns - they never how up on the Case-Family emails??
It is as it says: Copy to: meaning a copy is sent to the address you
place in the line. It won't come to mail list address. To: to the
person only, not the group.
> If I send TO the Case-Family with 3 addresses in the COPY TO,
> shouldn't they all show up on the main Case-Family email? Am I
> making this as clear as mud?
No, they will get routed to the addresses you list.
> My aim is to have ALL the addresses show up on one email. Its
> very confusing to read an email that seems to be addressing someone
> but the only addressee is Case-Family.
In that case (hehehe) you will have to do a copy and paste of the
addresses, *IN* the text of the reply coming to the group.
The best way is to mention all the people you are actually wanting to
get the message, in the salutation.
Each person's address gets their post from you, in addition to seeing
teh post to the group.
Does that help any, or is it clear as mud too?
Lori
Edee, I only GET one copy - that is to Case-Family. Carole
walkerc(a)gnes.net
-----Original Message-----
From: Edeew99(a)aol.com <Edeew99(a)aol.com>
To: Case-Family-L(a)rootsweb.com <Case-Family-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, January 25, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: Email
>How come, no matter whether I put addition addresses in the TO or
>COPY TO columns - they never how up on the Case-Family emails??
>If I send TO the Case-Family with 3 addresses in the COPY TO,
>shouldn't they all show up on the main Case-Family email? Am I
>making this as clear as mud?
>My aim is to have ALL the addresses show up on one email. Its
>very confusing to read an email that seems to be addressing someone
>but the only addressee is Case-Family.
>..................EdeeW
>
>
I have some knowledge of the Dutchess County Case families. There were
several generations of Nathan and altho I can't remember the details the
Nathan who died towards the end of the 18th century is referring to his
grandson rather than his son because the son preceded the father in death,
The DAR has accepted this. If you can get the supplementary papers of
Jeanne M Rhodes you will see this. The Stoutenburghs are from the same
family. I'd like to know why they went to Ontario. Di you know?
The David Casewho married Mary Carroll would jave used Andrew because Mary
Carroll's grandfather was Andrew Carroll of Dundee, Scotland. See how
family stories get mixed up?
Carol Preece docpreece(a)mindspring.comAt 01:26 PM 1/25/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Hello,
> Thanks for the help/offers/ideas. At this time we are trying to tie my
Nathan in
>with the Elizabeth and Patience Case girls who married Dunhan and
Stoutenburg and
>went to Ontario from Dutchess Co., New York . The names of my Nathan's
children
>are very similar to this line except for Nathan and Catherine Gallinger's
first
>son (at least we think he is the first son) Andrew B. circa 1825. In the
1871
>Ontario census Nathan is 84 and lives with his youngest son James (my
>Ggrandfather). We know when and where his wife Catherine died but do not
know for
>sure about Nathan - between 1871 and 1881 for certain. In this census,
Nathan
>claims to be Scots as does one of his sons while the other two sons say
they are
>of German extraction! They weren't very helpful. All my great aunts and
uncles
>have always speculated on their origins - some saying we were English, some
>German and others had no idea. It was not until I started looking at
genealogy a
>few years ago that the Scottish idea arose.
> We know very little for certain - it seems defininite that he was born
in the
>U.S. and we take his birth date of circa 1792 from later census records
and from
>The Militia Roll of 1828-29. We have a copy of Catherine's application
for a land
>grant as a DUEL in 1830 (31) and since she applied for the grant we have
always
>assumed he was not from a UEL family. However, Catherine's family were
almost all
>from the Cornwall, Ontario area and the first we know of Nathan, he was in
East
>Gwillimbury so... how did they meet? There were Cass/Case in
Quebec/Ontario with
>the first UEL but we have found nothing to tie our Nathan into that group.
> We have been looking for this man for about 10 years now - off and on--
as it
>becomes very discouraging. We have checked the N/Y. census for 1790 for
ideas but
>nothing definitive ever arises. We think it would even be possible that he
was
>married before Catherine Gallinger as perhaps that could help in
explaining the
>name Andrew. Any ideas/suggestions you have will be much appreciated.
>Cheryl Maxwell
>
>Marlou322(a)aol.com wrote:
>
>> Cheryl: My original ancestor was John Casse who immigrated ca,1635,. He was
>> born in St. Albans, Eng. He m. Martha Philbrick, if this is the line
that you
>> are researching, I do have quite a bit of information on this line. The
name
>> was changed to Case in the 1700's. Let me know if I can help you. I also
>> have a book about John Casse, the immigrant. Marion Stevens
>
>
Hi Marion,
I think we have connecteed before. I am also descended from John Casse
through the Dutchess County, NY Case family. Could you please tell me
where you discovered that John Case was born in St. Albans? I never had a
birthplace for him.
I was interested to read in one book on Hampton that at the time of his
death John Casse was the wealthiest man to have died, or had the largest
estate ever probated up to that time. Where did he get almost 1000 pounds?
That was a fortune in those days?
I have a book on monumental beasses and there is a Sir John Cassey who was
a high court official during a15th century period. I wondered if it could
be out family.
Carol Preece "docpreece(a)mindspring.comAt 01:15 PM 1/25/99 EST, you wrote:
>Cheryl: My original ancestor was John Casse who immigrated ca,1635,. He was
>born in St. Albans, Eng. He m. Martha Philbrick, if this is the line that
you
>are researching, I do have quite a bit of information on this line. The name
>was changed to Case in the 1700's. Let me know if I can help you. I also
>have a book about John Casse, the immigrant. Marion Stevens
>
>
How come, no matter whether I put addition addresses in the TO or
COPY TO columns - they never how up on the Case-Family emails??
If I send TO the Case-Family with 3 addresses in the COPY TO,
shouldn't they all show up on the main Case-Family email? Am I
making this as clear as mud?
My aim is to have ALL the addresses show up on one email. Its
very confusing to read an email that seems to be addressing someone
but the only addressee is Case-Family.
..................EdeeW