Thank you David,
This is very useful information. I wonder if anyone has checked the Hackney
parish registers for Cary births, marriages or burials to double check the
statements of the pedigree of 1701? I know that the registers have been filmed
by the LDS church and are available through Family History Libraries. I haven't
had time to do this myself:
Title: Baptisms, marriages and lives of Hackney families, 1520-1750 : taken
from marriage licenses and registers of city of London churches FHL BRITISH
Film1656560 Item 8
Title: Parish register printouts of Hackney, London, England, (Saint John),
christenings, 1545-1741 Authors: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Genealogical FHL BRITISH Film 933425 Item 2
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Lisa & Jay
Ref. your 11/18/99 emails, the John Cary (Apr 1583 - Feb 1661) who wed
Elizabeth Hereford did indeed have a son John, but according to the Heralds
College pedigree of 1701, the son was John of Hackney (1610?-1656?) who lived
and died in Hackney. The son was not the John Cary the Plymouth Pilgrim of
Bridgewater, MA.
Jay is correct regarding proof of the parents of John Cary, the Plymouth
Pilgrim; however, Walter (1588-1633) Cary and Grace Browne (d. 1668) are good
candidates. In his Devon Carys, Fairfax Harrison is mistaken about them leaving
no children. The Heralds College pedigree of Bristol Carys copied in Edward
Cary Gardiners The Gardiner Family shows son John and daughters Mary and
Elizabeth living in 1668. Henry F. Waters Genealogical Gleanings in England Vol
II includes Walter's 1633 will which leaves his entire estate to his wife Grace
and mentions "all my children" .
Grace's 1668 will names daughters Mary Dunner and Elizabeth Croome and
"sonne John Cary if living att the tyme of my decease the summe of five
shillings as a small remembrance of my love to him". The words "if
living"
suggest that Grace did not know if John were living or dead, possibly because
they were estranged.
Walter's 1633 will also states " . . . the cause wherefore I do leave my
children wholly to my wife's disposing and that I do not give them portions
myself is because I would thereby tie and bind them to be more loving and
dutiful their tender and careful mother", suggesting that at least some of them
were of legal age to be given portions. Walter would have been about 22 years
old when John the Pilgrim was born in 1610. John would have been about 23 when
Walter died, old enough to have resented being bound to his mother and old
enough to have gone to America in about 1634 as Cary family tradition says.
Another Cary family tradition says that John came to America after a
dispute with his brothers, rather than with his mother, over his father's
estate. That tradition is contained in a manuscript owned by Ralph M. Cary of
Turner, Maine in 1961. I have a typewritten copy which Luther Cary made that
year. The original was written by Francis Cary, the gr-gr-gr-grandson of John
the Pilgrim. Some details may have been garbled in five generations of
retelling, but the basic elements fit Walter Cary as well as several other of
the wealthy merchant Carys of Bristol of his generation.
Happy Hunting,
David Carey of Albuquerque
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