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Thanks, Cynthia, for your reply. Do you have the siblings of your Isaac
Carter? It sounds perfect but I wonder about the Pike Co, MS. I do not
know of this Isaac coming to Pike Co.
Are you in contact with GeLee Corley Hendricks: gelee(a)juno.com ?
I am in Osyka, Pike County, MS and GeLee's "Carters" were here early 1800s.
She and I connect on the BOND line.
Your information does look promising, and he may be the brother of my
Martha, Ann, or Elizabeth Carter.
I have not heard from GeLee in over a year and she used to be good about
keeping in contact. Hope she is O.K.
Anxious to hear from you again. Joy
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> #1 [CARTER-L] Isaac CARTER [Joy Willson <joywil(a)telapex.com>]
> #2 Re: [CARTER-L] Isaac CARTER [Cynthia Samples
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> #3 [CARTER-L] Re: Sylvanus & Jotham B [RONCONLAF(a)aol.com]
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>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:13:17 -0400
>From: Joy Willson <joywil(a)telapex.com>
>Subject: [CARTER-L] Isaac CARTER
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>Isaac CARTER b ca 1750 probably Orangeburg Dist SC. Isaac had a sister
>Martha Ann or Elizabeth CARTER who married William TYLER ca 1775. Does
>anyone connect? Thanks. Joy
>
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>Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:35:50 -0500
>From: Cynthia Samples <samples(a)ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: [CARTER-L] Isaac CARTER
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>Joy, I have an Isaac Carter, said he was born in Cumberland County, NC,
>moved to Orangeburg, SC after revolutionary war, married Nancy Young in
>Orangeburg, moved to Pike County, MS in 1810. There are numerous
>descendants who are looking for his parents and we have very few clues. We
>believe he had a brother named Samuel, but no nothing about sisters or
>PARENTS. Could we have a connection here.
>
>See my webpage for further info
>http://pw2.netcom.com/~samples
>
>Let me know what you think.
>
>Cynthia Samples
>Plano, TX
>
>Joy Willson wrote:
>
>> Isaac CARTER b ca 1750 probably Orangeburg Dist SC. Isaac had a sister
>> Martha Ann or Elizabeth CARTER who married William TYLER ca 1775. Does
>> anyone connect? Thanks. Joy
>
>______________________________
>Date: Sat, 24 Apr 1999 12:12:15 EDT
>From: RONCONLAF(a)aol.com
>Subject: [CARTER-L] Re: Sylvanus & Jotham Brown
>To: CARTER-L(a)rootsweb.com
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>Hi,
>
>Some time back I posted a request on TNGREENE for information on families
who
>were First Settlers in Greene County, who may have had connections to NJ.
>Lots of people responded and their information has helped tremendously!
>
>Yesterday, after finding a bit of information linking the CARTER & BROWN
>names in NY/NJ, I put out a request for information on SYLVANUS BROWN.
>Again, some very nice people contacted me with information on Sylvanus. I
>really appreciate everyone's help, and want to provide an update on research.
>
>Here's where we are with CARTER/BROWN records:
>
>1) Nicholas CARTER was born 1629, in Helperby, Eng. He immigrated to
>Connecticut--then went over to Long Island--later, members of his family
went
>into Morris County, NJ. There were three sons and one daughter. The sons
>were John, b. abt. 1650, (the oldest), Samuel & Nicholas Jr. The daughter
was
>Elizabeth, who married John Radley. We have working files on these four
>children, thanks to the help of many NJ researchers.
>
>2) There are also documented records of Ephraim and David Carter from
>Morris Co., NJ, and probably the family of Levi Carter, b. 1736, ?Wales,
>coming from Morristown, Morris NJ, according to Levi researcher & author,
>Elizabeth Schnegelberger, who recently shared some of her notes re: possible
>Morris Co. as residence for Levi Carter's family. Some researcher believe
>that Levi, John Carter and others, in company, were brothers. As you may
>know, there were many CARTERs traveling together.
>
>3) There are documented New York/New Jersey records of a John Carter, b.
>abt. 1650, son of Nicholas, having sons John Jr. and Daniel. I believe that
>John Carter, First Settler of Greene County is of this line of Nicholas
>Carter's children, (either of John Jr.'s line or of Daniel's line).
>
>4) There are also New York/New Jersey records of a John Carter, son of
>Nicholas, who married Anne Rackett--NY records. This John had two sons and
>two daughters in his household. The sons were JOHN CARTER and DANIEL
CARTER.
>The daughters were KEZIA CARTER and ESTHER CARTER. There may have been a
>daughter, Mary as well.
>
>5) There was a NJ marriage: John Carter to ISABELLA HAVELAND, 1737,
>recorded in Piscataway, New Jersey. They had a daughter, Mary. Some Greene
>County researchers show Isabella Haveland as the wife of John Carter of
>Greene County. *See page 347, "Historic Greene County, Tennessee and Its
>People; 1783-1992, The Warner family: "Their son, John Ross (1775-1849),
>married Rebecca Carter, daughter of John Carter (1720-1811) and Isabell
>Haveland."
>
>6) Now, back to those early Carters of Long Island: KEZIA CARTER, (the
>granddaughter of Nicholas Carter, via John and Ann (Rackett) Carter-or a
>previous wife of John's), married SYLVANUS BROWN. In 1719, in Aquebogue,
>Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, Kezia had a baby boy. She and her
>husband, Sylvanus Brown, named that boy, JOTHAM BROWN.
>
>7) These same given names, Sylvanus and Jotham Brown, are repeated in
>Green County History, and, I've just received family records, (via
>e-mail--HN69jc) indicating a Sylvanus Brown was in residence in Montgomery
>Co., VA., and married Ruth Johnston, daughter of Moses Johnston, on Sept. 8,
>1794. He had sons, John, Moses, Jotham, Alfred and several daughters.
>Sylvanus entered Greene County abt. 1800.
>
>8) Were these Browns the descendants of KESIA CARTER and SYLVANUS BROWN
>of Long Island? Is this all coincidence? Are there other records we can
>examine?
>
>I'm asking for HELP...HELP...HELP with early records--1700-1800, of any
>BROWNS who have Sylvanus and Jotham--
>
>and any CARTERS who have Long Island or New York records.
>
>I'm also curious about HAVELAND records, which might give more evidence of
>the Carter/Haveland marriage, perhaps providing the parents or siblings of
>Isabella Haveland; a date of death for Isabella, and possible other wives
for
>John Carter of Morris County, New Jersey and Greene County, Tennessee.
>
>I'm very grateful for all your help.
>
>Connie LaFontaine
>
Hi all , new member to this list .
1920 Lamar County Texas Census
Vol 112 , ED 118 , Sheet 7 , Line 35
George W. Lock , White Male , age 45 , b. Tx
Wife : Tina , age 38 , b. Tx
Son : Jessie , age 10 , b. Tx
Step Son : John Pruett , age 14 , b. Tx
Father in Law : William F. McCarter , age 70's? , b. Tn
Son : William Lock , age 2 Months , b. Tx
( Note : William Lock " AKA : Rusty ) sang on a Radio Station in Paris Texas
with a small Band and they traveled all over performing from Texas to New
York )
( George W. Lock is the Son of George Sims Locke of Fannin County Texas )
If I understand it right , Mrs Tina Locke 1st married a man named Pruett and
had 1 known Son named John Pruett .
Tina then married 2nd , George William Lock , Tina was George's 2nd or 3rd
wife .
Tina's Maiden name was McCarter ? Tina is AKA: "Tinnie ,or, Tinney Pruett "
Question : what was the first name of Mr. Pruett , 1st Husband of Tina
McCarter .
Anyone know more on Mr. William F. McCarter , age 70's? , b. Tn , Father? of
Tina
Would like to learn more on the person's mentioned above :)
Thanks
Donald Locke
Hi,
Some time back I posted a request on TNGREENE for information on families who
were First Settlers in Greene County, who may have had connections to NJ.
Lots of people responded and their information has helped tremendously!
Yesterday, after finding a bit of information linking the CARTER & BROWN
names in NY/NJ, I put out a request for information on SYLVANUS BROWN.
Again, some very nice people contacted me with information on Sylvanus. I
really appreciate everyone's help, and want to provide an update on research.
Here's where we are with CARTER/BROWN records:
1) Nicholas CARTER was born 1629, in Helperby, Eng. He immigrated to
Connecticut--then went over to Long Island--later, members of his family went
into Morris County, NJ. There were three sons and one daughter. The sons
were John, b. abt. 1650, (the oldest), Samuel & Nicholas Jr. The daughter was
Elizabeth, who married John Radley. We have working files on these four
children, thanks to the help of many NJ researchers.
2) There are also documented records of Ephraim and David Carter from
Morris Co., NJ, and probably the family of Levi Carter, b. 1736, ?Wales,
coming from Morristown, Morris NJ, according to Levi researcher & author,
Elizabeth Schnegelberger, who recently shared some of her notes re: possible
Morris Co. as residence for Levi Carter's family. Some researcher believe
that Levi, John Carter and others, in company, were brothers. As you may
know, there were many CARTERs traveling together.
3) There are documented New York/New Jersey records of a John Carter, b.
abt. 1650, son of Nicholas, having sons John Jr. and Daniel. I believe that
John Carter, First Settler of Greene County is of this line of Nicholas
Carter's children, (either of John Jr.'s line or of Daniel's line).
4) There are also New York/New Jersey records of a John Carter, son of
Nicholas, who married Anne Rackett--NY records. This John had two sons and
two daughters in his household. The sons were JOHN CARTER and DANIEL CARTER.
The daughters were KEZIA CARTER and ESTHER CARTER. There may have been a
daughter, Mary as well.
5) There was a NJ marriage: John Carter to ISABELLA HAVELAND, 1737,
recorded in Piscataway, New Jersey. They had a daughter, Mary. Some Greene
County researchers show Isabella Haveland as the wife of John Carter of
Greene County. *See page 347, "Historic Greene County, Tennessee and Its
People; 1783-1992, The Warner family: "Their son, John Ross (1775-1849),
married Rebecca Carter, daughter of John Carter (1720-1811) and Isabell
Haveland."
6) Now, back to those early Carters of Long Island: KEZIA CARTER, (the
granddaughter of Nicholas Carter, via John and Ann (Rackett) Carter-or a
previous wife of John's), married SYLVANUS BROWN. In 1719, in Aquebogue,
Suffolk County, Long Island, New York, Kezia had a baby boy. She and her
husband, Sylvanus Brown, named that boy, JOTHAM BROWN.
7) These same given names, Sylvanus and Jotham Brown, are repeated in
Green County History, and, I've just received family records, (via
e-mail--HN69jc) indicating a Sylvanus Brown was in residence in Montgomery
Co., VA., and married Ruth Johnston, daughter of Moses Johnston, on Sept. 8,
1794. He had sons, John, Moses, Jotham, Alfred and several daughters.
Sylvanus entered Greene County abt. 1800.
8) Were these Browns the descendants of KESIA CARTER and SYLVANUS BROWN
of Long Island? Is this all coincidence? Are there other records we can
examine?
I'm asking for HELP...HELP...HELP with early records--1700-1800, of any
BROWNS who have Sylvanus and Jotham--
and any CARTERS who have Long Island or New York records.
I'm also curious about HAVELAND records, which might give more evidence of
the Carter/Haveland marriage, perhaps providing the parents or siblings of
Isabella Haveland; a date of death for Isabella, and possible other wives for
John Carter of Morris County, New Jersey and Greene County, Tennessee.
I'm very grateful for all your help.
Connie LaFontaine
Joy, I have an Isaac Carter, said he was born in Cumberland County, NC,
moved to Orangeburg, SC after revolutionary war, married Nancy Young in
Orangeburg, moved to Pike County, MS in 1810. There are numerous
descendants who are looking for his parents and we have very few clues. We
believe he had a brother named Samuel, but no nothing about sisters or
PARENTS. Could we have a connection here.
See my webpage for further info
http://pw2.netcom.com/~samples
Let me know what you think.
Cynthia Samples
Plano, TX
Joy Willson wrote:
> Isaac CARTER b ca 1750 probably Orangeburg Dist SC. Isaac had a sister
> Martha Ann or Elizabeth CARTER who married William TYLER ca 1775. Does
> anyone connect? Thanks. Joy
Isaac CARTER b ca 1750 probably Orangeburg Dist SC. Isaac had a sister
Martha Ann or Elizabeth CARTER who married William TYLER ca 1775. Does
anyone connect? Thanks. Joy
This contains Carter information.
Leota
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From: Susie Culwell <susienbuzz(a)earthlink.net>
To: JACKSON-CLAY-OVERTON-CO-TN-L(a)rootsweb.com
<JACKSON-CLAY-OVERTON-CO-TN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 12:48 PM
Subject: 1850-1880 Mortality Schedule
Information taken from the "Tennessee 1850=1880 Mortality Schedule" book, from
the Texas
State Genealogy Library. This is NOT a complete list.
Jackson Co:
Carter, James 74, b. VA Oct, physician, cause of death omitted
Carter, Harvey, 4 mos TN, april, fits
Carter, Jennie A., 1, TN VA KY (last two states parents birth...father,
mother) Sept,
cholera infantum
Carter, Nelson J., 38, TN, farmer, Jan, consumption
Roberts, Elizabeth 2, TN Jun, fever
Roberts, Hugh 15, TN, Feb fell from horse
Roberts, Jefferson P, 4 mos, TN Jan, deys svoil?
Huff, Martha 13, TN Feb, tyfoid fever
other counties:
Hamilton Co:
roberts, Thomas 78, NC NC NC, farmer Jul, chronic rheumatism
Carroll Co:
Woodall, Alvin 16, TN, farmer, Sept, congestive chill
Tipton Co
Woodall, H.W. 1, mullatto, TN, Apr, dysentary
Robertson Co
Woodall, Sis 19, TN, March, consumption
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This was found on another list. It contains a Carter in the list.
Leota
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From: Susie Culwell <susienbuzz(a)earthlink.net>
To: JACKSON-CLAY-OVERTON-CO-TN-L(a)rootsweb.com
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Date: Friday, April 23, 1999 12:36 PM
Subject: 1860 Slave Schedule
Information taken off microfilm 1860 Slave Schedule for Jackson Co, Overton
and Smith.
Again, this is NOT a complete list. It will give a list of the "owner", Dist
#, number of
slaves, sex and ages. Also, found out that the US Gov't only did Slave
Schedules twice, once
in 1850 and the other in 1860.
Jackson Co
Jessey? (hard to read) Roberts , 1 slave age 40 male
William P. Roberts, 1 slave, age 9, female
Jackson Co, Dist 15 Cumberland River:
James Roberts, 10 slaves, 1 month old to 43, 6 males/4 females (four mulato's)
James Pharis, 3 slaves, ages 3-24, all female
Elizabeth Hollimann, 2 slaves, ages 10 and 50, all male
?anah Hollimann, 1 slave, age 78, female
John Pharis, 8 slaves, ages 1-90; 4 males/4 females
Dist 1, south of cumberland, done July 2, 1860::
James E. Wheeler, 16 slaves, ages 2-31, 10 females/6 males
William Davidson, 1 slave, age 11, female
Absolam Pharis, 5 slaves, ages 11-34, 4 male and 1 female
OVERTON CO:
Dist 11 done June 9, 1860
?eper (hard to read) Roberts, 45 slaves, ages 5 mos to 60, 20 female, 25 males
(4 mulatos)
Dist 12 done June 18, 1860
James N. Pharis, 1 slave, age 8 yrs, male
John D. Pharis, 3, ages 16-50, all mulatos 2 females/1 male
William Pharis, 3 slaves, ages 11-53, 2 males/1 female
SMITH CO:
Dist 2 done June 5, 1860
William T? Woodall, 3 slaves, ages 4-23, 2 female/1 males (all mulato's)
Dist 14 done June 2, 1860
John T. Carter, 13 slaves, ages 9 mos to 43, 5 females/8 males (total of 5
mulato's)
Harriett Goodall, 10 slaves, ages 10-75, 4 males and 4 females (total of 4
mulato's)
Dist 16 done July 6, 1860
Hiram Pyles, 16 slaves, ages 2-51, sex couldn't read, 2 slaves mulato/rest
black
Dist 3
John Chambers, 6 slaves, ages 2-50
Dist 1 done June 12, 1860
Jane M. Goodall, 9 slaves, ages 1-32, 5 females/4 males (total of 5 mulato's)
Research done at Texas State Genealogy Library, Austin, Texas by Susie Culwell
on April 21,
1999
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What a coincidence! Two days ago I received a message from a "professional"
researcher Chris Baer for Edgarstown on Martha's Vineyard, Dukes County Mass..
in response to a query about another family line that had married a Daggett.
The Web site for Martha's Vineyard is http://www.vineyard.net/vineyard/history
Several early histories can be found on that site and the one for this family
is very good. Especially note the last statement in the quote below. Chris
said:
"Daggett, Doggett, and other spelling variations are all the same family!
The original spelling was most often "Doggett" although today in this area
we spell it "Daggett." You may wish to post on the Daggett Genweb forum,
and also the Daggett Rootsweb mailing list at DAGGETT-D(a)rootsweb.com There
are some very good Daggett genealogies available which I don't have and
members of these forums do. I believe that most US Daggett families are
descended directly from the Martha's Vineyard Daggett family."
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From: JSABSK(a)aol.com <JSABSK(a)aol.com>
To: CARTER-L(a)rootsweb.com <CARTER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:31 PM
Subject: [CARTER-L] Carter/Daggett
Hi,
I am looking for anyone with information about the following family:
William Carter born Dec. 15, 1812 in Cheango County, NY, the son of William
Carter and Abigail Blackman. William was a lawyer. Married Elizabeth Ann
Daggett Nov. 3, 1839 in Brunersburg, OH. Elizabeth was born July 4, 1818 in
Poultney, VT, the daughter of Gardner Daggett and Eunice White. Elizabeth
died after 1892 because in 1892 she was living in Defiance, OH. Known
children of William and Elizabeth:
1. Emma Elizabeth Carter born Feb. 3, 1844 in Defiance, OH and married Frank
Arthur Hooker on August 5, 1868 in Defiance, OH.
2. Florence Adell Carter born Aug. 15, 1850 in Defiance, OH.
3. William Carter born Dec. 31, 1856 in Defiance, OH and married Emma H.
Houghton on April 30, 1878 in Defiance, OH.
4. Elbert Eugene Carter born Dec. 9, 1860 in Defiance, OH.
Thank you,
Jo Ann (Good) Weems
Hello, I am a new member, and I am researching the following CARTERS:
WILLIAM CARTER, SR, born in last quarter of 1700s, moved to White Co., ?, TN
then to Marion Co., AL (shows up there in 1830 Census with his son SANFORD
CARTER (my line). WILLIAM had the following other children (maybe more):
HUGH CARTER, BAINES CARTER, WILLIAM CARTER, JR., IRWIN CARTER.
FRANKLIN CARTER, and SAMUEL CARTER. SANFORD CARTER and others show up on the
Itawamba Co., MS census in 1840. SANFORD CARTER's brother, HUGH moved to
Rusk (Cherokee Co), TX, I believe. My ggggrandfather SANFORD CARTER had the
following children (maybe more) from the 1850 Itawamba Co, MS
Census: WILLIAM G. CARTER age 22 (married to Drucilla); ALEXANDER CARTER,
age 20 (my line); CALVIN CARTER, 19 (married to Lucinda); MARY CARTER, 14;
SUSAN CARTER, 13; LUTHER CARTER, 9; ALFRED CARTER, 7; DRUCILLA CARTER, 3;
SANFORD CARTER, 1.
If anyone has further information on this family, I would love to hear from
you.
Please e-mail me at: rgsapg(a)aol.com
PATSY CARTER GARRISON
Hi,
I am looking for anyone with information about the following family:
William Carter born Dec. 15, 1812 in Cheango County, NY, the son of William
Carter and Abigail Blackman. William was a lawyer. Married Elizabeth Ann
Daggett Nov. 3, 1839 in Brunersburg, OH. Elizabeth was born July 4, 1818 in
Poultney, VT, the daughter of Gardner Daggett and Eunice White. Elizabeth
died after 1892 because in 1892 she was living in Defiance, OH. Known
children of William and Elizabeth:
1. Emma Elizabeth Carter born Feb. 3, 1844 in Defiance, OH and married Frank
Arthur Hooker on August 5, 1868 in Defiance, OH.
2. Florence Adell Carter born Aug. 15, 1850 in Defiance, OH.
3. William Carter born Dec. 31, 1856 in Defiance, OH and married Emma H.
Houghton on April 30, 1878 in Defiance, OH.
4. Elbert Eugene Carter born Dec. 9, 1860 in Defiance, OH.
Thank you,
Jo Ann (Good) Weems
Hi everyone,
I have only been on the lists a couple of months, and I have communicated
through them to alot of very nice people, even found some distant cousins,
which is great! Since I have been on, I have tried to help people. Firstly,
because I feel I am lucky enough to live near LVA, and I can get alot of
information easier than most of you and I can share it with you, I know
having another side of my family from Ny & NJ how hard it can be to get info
when you live far away. Also, I like to help others, as I know most of you do
as well. Now, about my postings of newspaper items. I had over 20 e-mails the
other day from the Vaughan list wanting them, Vaughans or no. Well, since
here and there I have had a few who don't want, etc. I have decided that what
I am going to do is the very best thing. I cannot possibly send copies to
each and everyone who wants these, and I hope no one minds, but I am just
going to post these newspaper items from now on to the VAROOTS list. I would
think most everybody is subscribed to that, and as all these wonderful lists
do, they make it easy to subscribe, if you are not. And, since all of these
newspaper listings are about people who lived in Virginia, I think it is for
the best. And, it certainly makes it easier for me. I have been up until 1:00
in the morning, after a long day, almost every night, part of it has to do
with my home pages, but I was starting to stay up later & later at night
before that typing whatever. I can't do that anymore, I am sorry, I need some
sleep. Thank you all for your patience and understanding. I have alot to
do(as we all do) other than this, and I need more rest and time. I hope this
will make evryone happy. As President Lincoln said ".....you can't please all
the people, all the time", he was indeed a brilliant man.
Thank you all!
Beth
MBond94365(a)aol.com
Author unknown.
Life in the 1500's-----
Anne Hathaway was the wife of William Shakespeare. She married at the
age of 26. This is really unusual for the time. Most people married
young, like at the age of 11 or 12. Life was not as romantic as we may
picture it. Here are some examples:
Anne Hathaway's home was a 3 bedroom house with a small parlor, which
was seldom used (only for company), kitchen, and no bathroom.
Mother and Father shared a bedroom. Anne had a queen sized bed, but
did not sleep alone. She also had 2 other sisters and they shared the bed
also with 6 servant girls. (this is before she married) They didn't
sleep like we do lengthwise but all laid on the bed crosswise.
At least they had a bed. The other bedroom was shared by her 6
brothers and 30 field workers. They didn't have a bed. Everyone just
wrapped
up in their blanket and slept on the floor. They had no indoor heating so
all the extra bodies kept them warm.
They were also small people, the men only grew to be about 5'6" and
the women were 4'8". SO in their house they had 27 people living.
Most people got married in June. Why? They took their yearly bath in
May, so they were till smelling pretty good by June, although they were
starting to smell, so the brides would carry a bouquet of flowers to
hide their b.o.
Like I said, they took their yearly bath in May, but it was just a big
tub that they would fill with hot water. The man of the house would get
the privilege of the nice clean water. Then all the other sons and men,
then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then
the water was pretty thick. Thus, the saying, "don't throw the baby out
with the bath water," it was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it.
I'll describe their houses a little. You've heard of thatch roofs,
well that's all they were. Thick straw, piled high, with no wood
underneath. They were the only place for the little animals to get warm. So
all the pets; dogs, cats and other small animals, mice, rats, bugs, all
lived
in the roof. When it rained it became slippery so sometimes the animals
would slip and fall off the roof. Thus the saying, "it's raining cats
and dogs." Since there was nothing to stop things from falling into the
house they would just try to clean up a lot. But this posed a real problem
in the bedroom where bugs and other droppings from animals could really mess
up your nice clean bed, so they found if they would make beds with big
posts and hang a sheet over the top it would prevent that problem. That's
where those beautiful big 4 poster beds with canopies came from.
When you came into the house you would notice most times that the floor
was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt, that's where
the saying "dirt poor" came from. The wealthy would have slate
floors. That was fine but in the winter they would get slippery when they
got wet.
So they started to spread thresh on the floor to help keep their footing.
As the winter wore on they would just keep adding it and adding it
until when you opened the door it would all start slipping outside. SO they
put a piece of wood at the entry way, a "thresh hold".
In the kitchen they would cook over the fire, they had a fireplace in
the kitchen/parlor, that was seldom used and sometimes in the master
bedroom.
They had a big kettle that always hung over the fire and every day they
would light the fire and start adding things to the pot. Mostly they
ate vegetables, they didn't get much meat. They would eat the stew for
dinner then leave the leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight and
then start over the next day. Sometimes the stew would have food in it
that had been in there for a month! Thus the rhyme: peas porridge hot, peas
porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot nine days old."
Sometimes they could get a hold of some pork. They really felt special
when that happened and when company came over they even had a rack in
the parlor where they would bring out some bacon and hang it to show it off.
That was a sign of wealth and that a man "could really bring home the
bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and they
would all sit around and "chew the fat."
If you had money your plates were made out of pewter. Sometimes some of
their food had a high acid content and some of the lead would leach out
into the food. They really noticed it happened with tomatoes. So they
stopped eating tomatoes, for 400 years.
Most people didn't have pewter plates though, they all had trenchers,
that was a piece of wood with the middle scooped out like a bowl. They
never washed their boards and a lot of times worms would get into the wood.
After eating off the trencher with worms they would get "trench mouth."
If you were going traveling and wanted to stay at an Inn they usually
provided the bed but not the board.
The bread was divided according to status. The workers would get the
burnt bottom of the loaf, the family would get the middle and guests
would get the top, or the "upper crust".
They also had lead cups and when they would drink their ale or whiskey.
The combination would sometimes knock them out for a couple of days.
They would be walking along the road and here would be someone knocked
out and they thought they were dead. So they would pick them up and take
them
home and get them ready to bury. They realized if they were too slow
about it, the person would wake up. Also, maybe not all of the people
they were burying were dead. So they would lay them out on the kitchen
table
for
a couple of days, the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait
and
see if they would wake up. That's where the custom of holding a "wake"
came from.
Since England is so old and small they started running out of places to
bury people. So they started digging up some coffins and would take
their bones to a house and re-use the grave. They started opening
these coffins and found some had scratch marks on the inside.
One out of 25 coffins were that way and they realized they had still
been burying people alive. So they thought they would tie a string on their
wrist and lead it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie
it to a bell. Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night to
listen for the bell. That is how the saying "graveyard shift" was
made.
If the bell would ring they would know that someone was "saved by the
bell" or he was a "dead ringer".
I got this from another mailing list, but since it would effect all
genealogists I thought it was a good idea to pass it on.
Deborah Albright
>
>Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:35:13 -0600
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>HI Fellow Genealogists:
>
> In case you have not heard there is a bill in the Texas
> Legislature that might close the indexes to death and birth
> records in Texas for 25 and 50 years, respectfully.
>
> My column on Saturday April 24 will state most of what we
> know about the bill at this time. The column is already on
> my website at http://barnettesbooks.com Just click on read
> the columns. Scroll down and click on April 24.
>
> The column was submitted this morning for a Saturday
> publication date. Since being notified of this bill by
> Tommy Burns of Houston, I have found out only a little bit
> more.
>
> Supposedly, the bill was submitted to clarify the current
> law. The intent of the bill was to clarify the existing law
> and help open birth and death indexes in counties where the
> county clerk felt they were closed (At the same time, other
> county clerks felt the indexes were open). While in
> committee an amendment was placed on the bill stating the
> indexes would become open and public when the actual
> records (birth and death records) became open and public.
> According to the amendment the indexes would be closed for
> 25-50 years until the records themselves are public.
>
> The HB 836 passed the Public Health Committee in the State
> House of Representatives on March 30. It was referred to
> the Senate State Affairs Committee. As of today, the bill
> does not have a Senate sponsor. If we cause enough rancor,
> it is possible no one will take on the sponsorship of the
> bill and it will die in committee. On the otherhand, if a
> sponsor is found, we want to be on record requesting a
> hearing. At that hearing, we would need to flood the room
> with genealogists and other concerned citizens. While a law
> clarifying the present confusing law might be welcome,
> amendment on HB 836 closes the birth and death indexes
> until the actual records become public which is 25-50
> years.
>
> .Monday night I contacted Jack Brissee, Chair of the
> FGS/NGS Records Preservation and Access Committee. Jack and
> his committee work with genealogists and other
> organizations all over the country when records are
> threatened with closure or misuse. He jumped on it and has
> faxed a letter to the Chair of the Senate State Affairs
> Committee. He has urged everyone to contact all
> genealogists, genealogical, historical and other concerned
> organizations to write a calm, collected, but, concerned
> letter to the Chair of the Senate Affairs Committee and to
> our own Senator concerning this bill.
>
> The Honorable Florence Shapiro
> Chair, Senate Committee on State Affairs
> P.O.Box 12068
> Capital Station
> Austin, TX 78711
>
>
> Another bill in the legislature each of you should be aware
> of is HB13. This bill seeks to allow adoptees to obtain
> their original birth certificate upon reaching the age of
> 21. HB13 has met with the hostility of child placement
> services and birth mothers. Currently it is held up in
> committee where it may die. Part of the HB 13 awareness may
> have had some effect on HB 836 because both have to do with
> vital statistics registration
>
> If you wish to pass this letter around, please feel free to
> do so. I have included this mailing to a number of my
> columnist colleagues around the country who might wish to
> be alert to what is happening, down here, in Texas.
>
> I would appreciate hearing from anyone who hears any news
> on this matter.
>
> Thank You,
>
> MIC
>
> Mic Barnette's Writes a Weekly Genealogy Column In
> The Houston Chronicle. Read it on the Web At Barnette's
> Family Tree Book Company http://barnettesbooks.com
>
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Hi,
I want to thank those of you who have written nice letters. I have been
working two jobs today, I am extremely tired, so I will be brief. The reason,
as it turns out, that most of you haven't been able to see my photos on the
page, is that AOL wanted to place my page in a different "location" in
"hometown", I have two pages under that particular screen name, and
apparently, when they took the photo page from that list it messed up my
page. Sorry, again. I am trying. Beth
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Hi,
Two people have told me that they can't see the photos on my old family
photos page, I am hoping that this is just temporary. I can see them fine
when I type in the address, but I don't count. You all do. Let me know, and
hopefully it will work tomorrow. Thanks all. Beth
MBond94365(a)aol.com
Hi Everyone!
Yes, I have yet another page! My 4th. But, this one is a little different,
it is a page of my family photos, just the old ones, of which I have alot. If
anyone is interested, you can try this link:
<A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/gen4257250/genealgy/index.htm">Beth's Old
Family Photos page
</A> , or if that doesn't work for you the address is:
http://hometown.aol.com/gen4257250/genealgy/index.htm
I hope you like it. It wasn't easy getting it to work, but I am even more
pleased that it does since it was so difficult, I used that fun personal
publisher!(hah hah!)
Thank you for your attention.
Beth
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RECOGNIZE ANY???
McKinney CARTER, born 1780's possibly in VA, married Rachel __?__ about
1804, died on or before 23 Nov 1832 in Jackson Co., IN. He first
appeared in Washington Co., IN when he bought 154.5 acres of land on
Jan. 17, 1815 (for about $1.25 an acre); this land later became part of
Driftwood Twp., Jackson Co., IN.
The order and year of birth of Cullen Wesley and Elizabeth below have
been estimated from census and marriage records. The six (6) children
listed below were named as heirs of McKinney CARTER in probate records
in Jackson Co., Indiana. McKinney's widow, Rachel, married Clemons
DOWDEN on 14 Jul 1834 in Jackson Co., Indiana. What is McKinney
CARTER's ancestry?? Was "McKinney" his first name, a middle name, or a
nickname? Where did he come from?? What happened to Matthew and
Elizabeth??
McKinney and Rachel CARTER's children:
1. Matthew, b. Abt. 1806 in TN or VA; m. Allie LANGLEY on 25 Feb 1829 in
Jackson Co., IN.
2. Thomas W., b. 10 Aug 1808 in TN, m. Eliza NAYLOR (1808-1903) on 27
Dec 1827 in Jackson Co., IN; d. 11 May 1869 in Sullivan Co., MO. [My
ancestor.]
3. Benjamin M., b. Abt. 1811 in TN; m. Margaret NAYLOR on 8 Jul 1832 in
Jackson Co., IN; d. Aft. 1860.
4. Robert, b. Abt. 1814 in Eastern TN; m. 1st, Anna SANTLAND on 25 Sep
1832 in Jackson Co., IN; m. 2nd, Cynthia Ann STURGEON on 30 Dec 1847 in
Brown Co., IN; d. 17 Oct 1877 in Benton Co., AR.
5. Cullen Wesley, b. Abt. 1816 in Jackson Co., IN; m. Milley GREER on 5
Aug 1838 in Hancock Co., IN; d. Abt. 1844.
6. Elizabeth, b. Abt. 1818 in Jackson Co., IN.
Please see the web site I created for CARTERs with a Jackson Co.,
Indiana connection. It contains more info on some lines except for the
ancestors of the McKinney CARTER.
http://home.inreach.com/yellolab/cartweb.html
Bryan L. Court
I am looking for information on Joseph E. CARTER b. about 1815 in Virginia.
He married Elizabeth (maiden name unknown). They were the parents of;
Alfred b. abt 1835 in Marion Co. Virginia d. bef 1910. Married Malinda Sprout
(b. abt 1837 in Washington Co. Pa d/o William Sprout and Margaret Hineman) on
April 28, 1860 in Harrison Co. Virginia. Parents of 11 children: Gordon ,
Rebecca, Sarah, Rosetta, Frances, Mary, H. A. (f), Stella, Dora, Luella, and
Maud.
Rebecca b. abt 1838 in Harrison Co., married William F. Martin on Sept. 20,
1855 in Harrison Co. Va
Clarrissa b. abt 1837 in Monongalia Co. WV m. Charles Case on Sept 29, 1859
in Marion Co., WV
Any information would be appreciated. I have hit a brick wall with Joseph.
Linda Hall
LindySHall(a)aol.com
Still seeking someone related to or with information on the Prince George
Co, VA, CARTERS.
Especially, Joseph CARTER whose last Will & Testament dated 24 Jan 1760,
proved 12 Feb 1760.
Lists: Wife, Anne - sons Joseph, John, William, Daniel, David.
Daughters - Elizabeth, Lucy, Mary m John BROCKWELL, Sarah m Peter
WILLIAMS, Ann m ? WILLIAMS.
Grandsons - Joseph s/o John, Joseph s/o David, Carter BROCKWELL, Joseph
WILLIAMS
Lynn Marion
Kathleen Flint
vewood(a)sprint.ca
In reply to the Rutherfords(Rutherf1(a)netcom.ca), variants for Carder are
listed in the Wirksworth Parish Registers 1608-1837
at a terrific site for Wirksworth, Derbyshire, ENG
(http://www.lds.co.uk/wirksworth) as follows: CAWDIN CARDING CARDIN CARDEN
CARDER CARDINGS CAUDA CAUDIN CAUDING CAULDING CAWTEN CAWTON CAWTTON.
CARDER has been a middle name for the WALL family for three generations at
Matlock, DBY, Eng. I am just beginning my research, so I can't tell yet
whether the surname is a male ancestor or a maiden name carried on in this
family.
I understood Carder to be an occupational name arising from the wool or
cotton manufacturing trade. Hope this helps.