I am not sure if I am the one that you refer to or not, but I did write some
time ago. my brother and I are one marker distant. That should be proof that
a marker can change within the SAME generation.
I am 39347 in Group 19, my full brother is 25377. I am about 5 years older
than him. We differ in the 21st marker. both took the 25 marker test. He was
born with 3 kidneys. I don't know if that would have any relevance to the
difference in markers or not.
Incidentally, I believe that we are descended from the Robert "King" Carter
line. I have evidence, but no paper trail proof. Some of you may recall from
something I wrote to the list some time ago that my 3rd great grandmother
and 3rd great grandfather never married, for reasons unknown. Both were
Carters. We know the name of my 3rd great grandfather, Charles Edward
Carter, but the paper trail is elusive. I believe him to be the son of
Charles Carter of Deerwood and grandson of Edward Carter of Blenheim. I am
hoping that DNA testing will provide some proof. My 2nd great grandfather,
Berry Lafayette Carter, lived at and ran Deerwood from about 1853 to 1860
after the death of Charles Carter in 1827. Several of his children,
including my great grandfather, were born there. One of my cousins, Calvin
Carter, was the one who led Apco officials to the grave of Charles Carter of
Deerwood during the grave removal program when Smith Mountain Lake Dam was
being built in the early 1960's. Even the known living descendants of
Charles at the time did not know that he was buried there. Calvin had been
taken to the grave for the first time by his father, Charles Lewis Carter,
as a boy. Other family members were known to have visited the grave over the
years, including Charles Edward Carter, one of the sons of Berry Lafayette
Carter. The grave was subsequently moved to North Hill Farm near Berryville,
VA next to the grave of his wife Betty Lewis Carter. I do plan on checking
at the Carter Society that Vickie mentioned. I had not heard of that before.
The genealogy I have posted goes back to me 2nd grandfather, and from there
goes back on the maternal side (my 3rd great grandmother) to William Carter
of Middlesex County (1641).
Our DNA is 2 markers off from Group 2 in the 24 marker test, and 3 markers
distant in the 25 marker test. The 3rd marker difference is the same marker
that my brother and I differ on.
Incidentally, Margaret Baldock, who is a descendant of Ammon Carter in the
genealogy, has pointed out some errors to me with regard to her line, which
I have not corrected yet. I do plan to do so when I get the chance.
Ken Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: Isabel M. Carter [mailto:icarter@triad.rr.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:35 PM
To: CARTER-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter group?
I am a member of a couple of other DNA projects, and I recall receiving an
email that was sent to members of one of the groups when there was a
discussion of changes in markers. The writer and his brother had both
submitted DNA to a project, and there was one marker difference. My
recollection is that this was the Anderson DNA project, and one of the
rapidly changing makers was different in the 25 marker test.
I no longer have this email. Since it is not usual for two brothers to
submit DNA to a family project, we wouldn't see this often. All it takes is
one person and one mutation each generation to confuse our charts. There is
also the possibility of lab errors.
Isabel
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gayle Ellison-Assistance Unlimited" <gayle(a)apbb.net>
To: <CARTER-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter group?
I am the co-administrator of the FamilyTreeDNA Lawson Project. I
would be
interested in the information you have that some scientists think a
marker
can change in one generation. I have been thinking the scientists
would
change their minds. We have cousins in the Lawson project that are
one
marker different. We have a situation in the Braswell family name
where
fourth and sixth cousins (from different brothers) are three markers
different. One of them is not a fast mutating marker either and we
have
documentation that they are indeed cousins. One of the fathers was
older
when his son was conceived and it is possible that might cause a
marker to
mutate. Also, there is research that the health condition of the
parents
at time of conception can make a difference. That makes sense to me.
The
DNA technology is relatively new and it will take time to refine it.
Gayle Braswell Ellison
----- Original Message -----
From: <woodbee(a)adelphia.net>
To: <CARTER-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter group?
> Hello All,
> 14833 is the descendant who comes from Robert King Carter.. He
has very
> good information to prove it.. However, though our Cary # 40186 ,
we can
> not..
> That was one reason we did the Dna.. We had long been told we
descended
> from King Carter, but you can not always believe what you are
told.. We
> try to document everyhing..
> And The Carter Society ,from what what I understand, wants 3 DNA
test fom
> various members of a family to solidate the finds. being costly,
and
> being that our Carter surname has been blessed with women more
than men,
> we cannot obtain the three test.
> But at least this site has helped us validate which direction we
should
> be following for clues in furthering our ancestry.
> And as I have been reading quite alot about DNA testing, there
are many
> scientist who think that one marker change can take place in one
> generation ?
> And I have meant to ask Kathy about the Well's name, being
that our
> ancestor left Virginia and came to Kentucky with a Peter Wesley
Wells',
> and their seemed to be a kinship to them of some sort.
> Jamie
> ---- David & Kathy Wells <rebeltrumpet(a)sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
>> I don't get it! How can they both be from the king
Carter family, yet
>> their DNA isn't even close??? I would venture to say
they aren't both
>> 'King' Carter lines?? I was told on the
'Wells' DNA site, that if
>> you are ONE marker off when doing a 12 marker test, they
could be up to
>> 35 generations apart from each other. And that is only one
marker off.
>>
>> I can see why I missed # 17720 as being King Carter lineage
because it
>> is a mess. I wish someone could go in there and clean that
up so we
>> could see the lineage better. At least put a line space
between each
>> name. I can't make heads or tails of it, and I
don't have enough time
>> to print it and try to sort it out. I'm guessing they
have the
>> 'proof' linking each generation? Does anyone
know?
>>
>> The other #14833....unless #17720 is wrong, then I would say
# 14833 is
>> not from that line?????
>> Please help me out here. Am I crazy or is
this not
>> adding up?
>> Thanks, Kathy Wells.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: ELOISE LUCCKESE
>> To: Kathy Wells
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
group?
>>
>>
>> kATHY #17720 IS kING cARTER FAMILY, ALSO #14833
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kathy Wells
>> To: CARTER-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 10:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
group?
>>
>>
>> Soooo, am I understanding this correctly. After looking
at the DNA
>> website
>> then, that no one has done DNA that actually has
documented the fact
>> that
>> they descend from Robert 'King' Carter??? I
didn't see that
>> Robert
>> anywhere, or did I just look too quickly? If he is
there, which
>> group is
>> it? Maybe we could label the groups, possibly with the
oldest
>> proven or
>> best known ancestor listed by the group number???
>> Kathy Wells.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <woodbee(a)adelphia.net>
>> To: <CARTER-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:57 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Robert "King" Carter
group?
>>
>>
>> > yes, the one that can be traced back to
Robert'King' Carter, is
>> Henry
>> > Faunltroy Carter. He's the name above Cary. He
comes though John..
>> I don't
>> > know why he didn't included his whole Genealogy
on the site.
>> > has it.
>> > And Nancy, the Cary Lewis Carter, you mentioned, is
supposingly
>> ours. Yet
>> > the age of Elizabeth Trueman Carter concerns me ?
Seems she would
>> be too
>> > old to have had our Cary ?
>> > Jamie
>> > ---- TiaWyn(a)aol.com wrote:
>> >> In a message dated 6/26/2006 8:24:03 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
>> >> woodbee(a)adelphia.net writes:
>> >>
>> >> > We did run our DNA and it does match some
of other descendants
>> that
>> >> > claim
>> >> > to be descendants of Robert " King
' Carter.
>> >>
>> >> Is there a Robert "King" Carter group
in the Project? If so,
>> which
>> >> number is
>> >> it?
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >> Cheryl
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >>
>> >> "The possibility of a thousand blooms is in
one seed."
>> >>
>> >> "To plant a garden is to believe in
tomorrow."
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________________
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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