Based on the confirmation of the haplogroup for Robert "King" Carter if we were
to dig up Mr. St. Leger Landon Carter and did a DNA test we would expect the results to be
R1b1a2a1a1a4 since Y-DNA is passed father to son, father to son, father to son and so
forth. Naturally, we do not go about digging up our male ancestors because in some cases
we do not know where their final resting place is. -- Based on science though, if we did
we would expect the haplogroup to be consistent across the paternal line wherever that
might lead. I believe there are published baptismal record(s) for St. Leger Landon Carter
and several of his siblings which name sponsors and grandparents, proxies and so forth.
The paper trail from St. Leger Landon Carter to Robert "King" Carter is very
well established... I agree there.
It is my understanding that St. Leger Landon Carter 1785 - 1851 had no children by his
wife Elizabeth Ludwell Lee b 16 Apr 1787 d ca 10 Feb 1837. The sons of Jenny Terry who
were stated to be surnamed "Terry" in his Will, were born as slaves at the
"Cleves" plantation starting about 1838.
Based on the DNA test it would be appropriate to say, specifically for Kit 63875 at least,
St. Leger Landon Carter should not be listed as the Most Distant Ancestor and I have
expressed this to the person who tested. I just wanted the Y-DNA facts to be known and to
point out the incongruence of the listed Most Distant Ancestor as stated specifically for
Kit # 63875. To not point this out would suggest there is still an ambiguity as to the
correct haplotype for a male descendant of Robert "King" Carter WHATEVER the
surname might be.
Robert "Mike" Terry
Carter DNA project Co-Administrator & Terry DNA project Administrator
----- Original Message -----
From: "Holly Carter Dunlap Georgia" <holly_carter_dunlap(a)hotmail.com>
To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Is Kit 63875 a Descendant of St. Leger Landon Carter who is a
Great Grandson of Robert "King" Carter?
"Since St. Leger Landon Carter "of Cleve" 1785 - 1851 is a confirmed Great
Grandson of Robert "King" Carter 1663 - 1732 "
Confirmed only by paper-trail. Not confirmed by DNA testing.
And we don't know that the sons of Jenny Terry were not the sons of St. Leger Landon
Carter. An NPE could have happened between a son of Jenny Terry and Kit # 63875. Or some
but not all of the sons of Jenny Terry could have been sons of St. Leger Landon Carter.
As I have said many times, when you have only one Kit and no match, you can only assume
how far back the Y-DNA really goes.
There is an established procedure for identifying the generation where an NPE occurred.
It just takes more digging and cooperation.
"Therefore, based on the results of Kit 63875 we would have to state the male who
tested is NOT a descendant of Robert "King" Carter and it is NOT plausible that
St. Leger Landon Carter is the Most Distant Ancestor of the individual who tested."
I agree with the first part in that Kit # 63875 is not a direct paternal line descendant
of Robert "King" Carter. He may be a descendant by some other line.
As for the second part, I never thought it made sense to list St. Leger Landon Carter as
the Most Distant Ancestor for any Kit since "St. Leger Landon Carter "of
Cleve" 1785 - 1851 is a confirmed Great Grandson of Robert "King" Carter
1663 - 1732".
> From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 09:58:39 -0500
> Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Is Kit 63875 a Descendant of St. Leger Landon Carter who is a
Great Grandson of Robert "King" Carter?
>
> One of the reasons for my becoming a Carter DNA Project Co-Administrator was based on
my interest in this question: Is Kit 63875 a descendant of St. Leger Landon Carter who is
a Great Grandson of Robert "King" Carter? That question plus the fact I have two
Landon Carter's in my own Carter line and there is the fascinating story of this Jenny
Terry family.
>
> This family is represented by Kit # 63875 is in the Terry DNA project and as well as
the Carter DNA project.
>
>
http://www.terry-family-historian.com/King_George_County_VA/KingGeorgeCoV...
>
> Note: Transcription of the Will of St. Leger Landon Carter
>
>
> There are some researchers who believe that St. Leger Landon Carter "of
Cleve" is in the paternal line of descent of the children of Jenny Terry mentioned in
the will of St. Leger Landon Carter.
>
>
http://www.geni.com/people/St-Leger-Landon-Carter-of-Cleve/60000000011802...
>
> Grave for one of Jenny Terry's sons.
>
>
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=77670969
>
> See Kit # 63875 in link below in the Terry & Carter DNA projects:
>
>
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/terry/results
>
>
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
>
>
> Based on the DNA results for Kit 63875 this Terry family would be haplogroup I1.
Since St. Leger Landon Carter "of Cleve" 1785 - 1851 is a confirmed Great
Grandson of Robert "King" Carter 1663 - 1732 we would expect any male
descendants of his to test as confirmed haplogroup R1b1a2a1a1a4 [See Lineage Group R1b -
32 in the Carter DNA project]. Therefore, based on the results of Kit 63875 we would have
to state the male who tested is NOT a descendant of Robert "King" Carter and it
is NOT plausible that St. Leger Landon Carter is the Most Distant Ancestor of the
individual who tested.
>
> Note: This is a public forum and when responding we do not mention the names of the
persons who DNA tested.
>
>
> Robert "Mike" Terry
> Carter DNA project Co-Administrator & Terry DNA Project Administrator
>
>
>
>
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