My sister-in-law had her dad do a y-dna test, and had an identical
experience. Family name didn't match anyone else with same surname, lots of
matches to another surname. I tacitly suggested that someone changed a
surname...
She researched it more and found that the family had a neighbor with the
'other' surname - and the occupation of the family surname was an engineer
who frequently traveled. This was in the early 19th century, and the social
consequences for having an illegitimate child were significant. So ......
Yes, it happens often. Still it can be a difficult sell to the rest of the
family who has come to identify with the surname!
Keith
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gayle Ellison
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 1:04 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
After reading this entire group of emails, I am laughing, not at you all,
but at the situation, which is the same that I found myself about 8-9 years
ago when I found out that the ydna of my Braswell male cousins did not match
any other Braswell in the project. After that I searched until I found out
they matched the Riggs name. It so happened that there were several Riggs
families right in the area and actually his son-in-law was a Riggs, so
something occurred there that wasn't written down and it must have happened
around 1799. This occurs quite often. I still feel like a Braswell even
though my male Braswells are probably blood Riggs. But it was a shock.
Gayle Braswell Ellison
My gggrandmother was Jane Alice Carter, Sumner TN--Allen KY
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 4:26 PM, Pat Gallahorn
<patgallahorn(a)comcast.net>wrote:
Boy, am I sorry I ever got involved in this conversation. Sorry for
the "real".
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: nancy carter brooks
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:46 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I would call you a real Carter. That why I don't like the word REAL.
I don't think we should start having rules about the name or how the
person got it. That is why we have DNA's made, to help put us in the
right family units.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd" <ecarter1(a)kc.rr.com>
To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I am not a "real" Carter. Well my 4th G Grandmother was but she had 5
children out of wedlock (1820's). My DNA claims that I am a Llewellyn.
Todd Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:21 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Dale,
Your response makes me feel better. It's so frustrating - My male
cousin was nice enough to do the y-dna test at the 37 level. There are
many matches, but no one with a Carter name or even (to their
knowledge in the genealogy). I'd hope to use this method to help get
some information, but seems like that hasn't. Many of his matches have
the same last name, but just not the Carter name.
Bette
--- On Fri, 12/14/12, Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:57 AM
Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings
of Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an
occupational name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all
over the British Isles used the name as surnames came into use. That's
why there are some many different groups of Carters.
You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group
either, so maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't
be proven or disproven without further information.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or
French'
because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got
pregnant out of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Hampton
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
Carter???
> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
> To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
> break
> the code.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Terry
> Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Pat,
>
> Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
> County, South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1
> [Eye one] so your Carter family cannot be related to those with
> haplogroup R1b families in the Carter DNA project....
>
> When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any
> messages posted there so it appears to you that the message is to
> you individually and it is to everyone who subscribes.
>
>
>
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yres
> ul
> ts
>
>
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>
> Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
> Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
>
> Robert "Mike" Terry
> Carter DNA Project Administrator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
>
>
> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> carefully check the Markers.
>
>
> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
> Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
> better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
> if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
> Carter of Garston as many claim.
> I
> believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows
> that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of
> Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented
> to my satisfaction.
>
>
>
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