Like it or not, "non-paternity event" or NPE is the currently used term in the
genetic genealogy field. It's not something I made up.
"Non-paternity event is a term in genetic genealogy and clinical genetics to describe
the case where the biological father of a child is someone other than who it is presumed
to be."
I like NPE because it is short -- 3 letters. The problem I have with it is that it
isn't clear if it includes cases where the father of the child is totally unknown --
that is, there is no "presumed" father. This might be the case if the mother
was a victim of a sexual assault.
From: broach(a)udel.edu
To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com; robertbcarteriii(a)yahoo.com;
dhiott(a)lowcountry.com; smharn(a)bellsouth.net; 2010x(a)ronhudson.com
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 12:38:17 +0000
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Matches with other surnames on different DNA tests
Mike,
I much prefer your substitute for NPE, i.e., "the documented father is NOT the
biological father" because it is more descriptive of the "event" &
suggests next steps for genealogical research
Carter Broach
broach@udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
________________________________
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] on behalf of Mike
Terry [mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 4:21 PM
To: Robert B. Carter III; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com; David Hiott; Sandra Harn; Ron Hudson
Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Matches with other surnames on different DNA tests
I have changed the thread as we are not talking about Ancestors of Jimmy and
Rosalynn Carter any more. If your families tests are getting solid Y-DNA
matches at 37 markers or beyond and/or Family Finder matches with others
with different or the same surnames in their lines then you need to
entertain the possibility of some kind of event... It might be adoption or
someone just taking another name. Some families accept these as interesting
and move on and some choose to ignore them or even discuss the
possibilities. All I can say it this sometimes makes your family history
and the "brick walls" not quite so boring.... For the person who has that
perfect family pedigree passed along for generations the match with other
surnames can be very disconcerting so when speaking about this one needs to
be sensitive to this. I really do not like the term NPE or Non Paternal
Event as everyone has a father. Instead of NPE I would rather say at some
point in the line "the documented father is NOT the biological father".
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert B. Carter III
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:46 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com ; David Hiott ; Sandra Harn ; Ron Hudson
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although
one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable
because you wanted family to run your
far flung lands. I personally am not surprised to find at least three or
four lines from a common source with no real DNA relationship on the male
side.
As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally
matching surname French
on both sides to the same degree that my mothers Sanford side does. I show
matches with several
R1b Hudson's who seem to be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with
Hutson ties.
We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not
cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we come
from in my viewpoint
and someone who understands charts & the such is needed to keep track of it
all (Ms. Holly?).
Robert-
________________________________
From: Holly Hampton <seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com>
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
"... and he proved we descend from John Carter of London."
Well, all I can say is that we currently have two Carter lines (R1b-04 and
R1b-32) who both claim to have "proof" to be descended from him and the
Y-DNA says both can't be right. Not unless one is an NPE or from an
out-of-wedlock birth.
134472 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28
15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-38 11 12
172256 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 28
15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-39 11 12
223271 R1b1a2 13 23 14 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30
15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
218088 R1b1a2 13 23 15 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30
15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:53 -0800
> From: hewick1(a)yahoo.com
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I submitted my cousin Gayland E Carter in Texas DNA kit #134472 based on
> my research of my Mom's maiden name since 1967 along with the extensive
> research of the late Bill Murphy of Raleigh, NC. He sent me all the
> documentation in the 1980's on our Carter line. He went to London and
> researched our Thomas Carter line of Isle of Wight Co., VA & NC, and he
> proved we descend from John Carter of London. Gayland Carter is in the
> Carter group 04 DNA Carter - R1b1a2. There are at least 12 other Carter's
> with the same markers. Many of these Carter's went from VA to NC, on to
> Tennessee & Mississippi, Arkansas & Texas, where my Mom was born in 1916.
>
>
> Helen Nichols Murphy, Coronado, CA hewick1(a)yahoo.com 619-694-9415 Robinson
> Rootsweb Admin
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: "Broach, Vance C, JR" <broach(a)udel.edu>
> >To: "carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com" <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >To which line does Giles Carter belong?
> >
> >
> >Carter Broach
> >broach@udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
> >________________________________
> >From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com]
> >on behalf of Holly Hampton [seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:54 AM
> >To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >
> >Totally for sure. By the Y-DNA, these are three different Carter lines.
> >
> >
> >
> >1) R1b-32 :
> >Robert "King" Carter of Virginia (~1662-1732) [from Richard Carter
> >(~1500-1558) of Garston Manor, Watford Parish, Hertfordshire, England]
> >
> >
> >
> >2) R1b-04 :
> >Thomas Carter, Jr. of Isle of Wight County, Virginia (wife Magdalene
> >Moore) (son of Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. & Elinor Cooke) [Pres. Jimmy
> >Carter]
> >
> >
> >
> >3) I-03 :
> >Jacob Carter of Colleton County, South Carolina
> >
> >
> >
> >Of course there is always the chance of an NPE or an out-of-wedlock birth
> >where the Y-DNA changes but the surname does not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:30:01 -0500
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Holly Hampton
> >> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> >> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> >> carefully check the Markers.
> >>
> >>
> >> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston
> >> in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better
claim
> >> to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John
Carter
> >> "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of
Garston
> >> as many claim. I believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert
> >> "King" Carter shows that he himself claimed to be a descendant
of
> >> Richard Carter of Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is
> >> not documented to my satisfaction.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
> >> > To: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:37:02 -0600
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Pat Gallahorn: Are these three Carter Families R1b's? YES
> >> >
> >> > In the Carter DNA project we have established the Y-DNA for
> >> > descendants of
> >> > Robert “King” Carter of Corotoman, Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight
> >> > and
> >> > also those who claim descent from Thomas Carter, of Barford. Based
> >> > on
> >> > Y-DNA results, none of these families are closely related even though
> >> > some
> >> > older genealogies and more recent ones suggest they are.
> >> >
> >> > See Y-DNA groups: R1b – 04 (Isle of Wight); R1b – 02 (Thomas Carter
> >> > of
> >> > Barford) and R1b – 32 (Robert “King” Carter)
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
> >> >
> >> >
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> >> >
> >> > Both the Robert “King” Carter Family and Kit # 172256 claim descent
> >> > from
> >> > John Carter, Vintner of London, (1574-1630). Clearly, someone's
> >> > family is
> >> > the odd one out if we consider the Y-DNA.
> >> >
> >> > I would appreciate your comments....
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:30 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Are these three Carter Families R1b's?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:07 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Correction: There is a Foreword in the book by President Jimmy Carter
> >> > ....
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 PM
> >> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > I received my Christmas present early -- a new book by Jeff Carter
> >> > called
> >> > “Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter”. There is an interesting
> >> > preface
> >> > from his father President Jimmy Carter and one section entitled “The
> >> > Thomas
> >> > Carter Conundrum” which should interest descendants of Thomas Carter
> >> > of
> >> > Barford and Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight. There is plenty of
> >> > Carter
> >> > family information with sources noted so you can certainly evaluate
> >> > for
> >> > yourself, the thoughts behind the Carter family assumptions that Jeff
> >> > Carter
> >> > proposes in each of his parents lines. My one disappointment with
> >> > the book
> >> > is the word DNA cannot be found anywhere in the publication even as a
> >> > footnote even though we have confirmed the Y-DNA for three Carter
> >> > families
> >> > from the Lancaster County area: Thomas Carter of Barford; Thomas
> >> > Carter of
> >> > the Isle of Wight [according to Jeff, the President’s family] and the
> >> > Robert
> >> > “King” Carter family. They are NOT closely related.
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
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