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You can import 23andMe Relative Finder tests to FTDNA for $89. The 23andMe test is $99. Therefore it
is cheaper to test at 23andMe and import the data into FTDNA than it is to test at FTDNA, even with
their sale pricing. Thus there is no reason to suggest participants test at FTDNA, as all the information
and matching they could get from Family Finder they will get from Relative Finder...and more.
The only problems are strange shipping costs for FOREIGN kit mailing, and possible FTDNA data import
delays relative to in-house test reporting.
But this method gives matches to both databases without testing twice.
There are more autosomal SNPs in the 23andMe test than in Family Finder. You also get
Y and mtDNA SNPs with 23andMe. You also get information about possible
health implications of your DNA from 23andMe. Thus, if you do 23andMe for
$99 and then transfer your data into the Family Finder database for $89 you
are paying less than if you ordered the Family Finder test at its current
sale price of $199.
Credit to Gregg Bonner and Tim Janzen for sharing this information.
In Carter Lineage Group I - 03 the probability on 111 markers that the families represented by Kit # 29811 (Carter), 220045 (Carter) and 96136 (French) shared a common ancestor.
A generation is usually considered to be 20 - 25 years....
Generations/ Percentage
4 85.19%
8 98.82%
12 99.92%
16 100.00%
20 100.00%
24 100.00%
I would certainly like those odds in Vegas.....
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresultshttp://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
Robert "Mike" Terry
Carter DNA Project Administrator
Thank you for that reminder. With DNA we focus on the biological but we should not forget the many adopted, foster, and step-parents who have given love, sweat and tears to the children they have taken into their homes and hearts.
> From: dmcarter2(a)suddenlink.net
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 10:28:02 -0600
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> For what it is worth. I was in the service in WWII with a guy who stated
> his G G ? Grandparents were on an orphan train and when it got to the end
> of the line there was still 6 boys and one girl left, not picked. The
> town took them in I think and eventually they went to some homes. He said
> his family did not know of their real names for the people that took them in
> gave them their name. No Carter names that I know of in this. interesting
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dale M. Crawford" <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
> To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
>
> I think you're still a real Carter, you just lack ah historical Carter Y
> chromosome, through no fault of yours. Think of it this way: you've
> started a new Carter line.
>
>
> Dale M Crawford
> 562 Acorn Ridge Lane
> Orange Park, Florida 32065
> 904-291-2708
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Todd
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:10 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> I am not a "real" Carter. Well my 4th G Grandmother was but she had 5
> children out of wedlock (1820's). My DNA claims that I am a Llewellyn.
>
> Todd Carter
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:21 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Dale,
> Your response makes me feel better. It's so frustrating - My male cousin
> was nice enough to do the y-dna test at the 37 level. There are many
> matches, but no one with a Carter name or even (to their knowledge in the
> genealogy). I'd hope to use this method to help get some information, but
> seems like that hasn't. Many of his matches have the same last name, but
> just not the Carter name.
> Bette
>
> --- On Fri, 12/14/12, Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>
> Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
> Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an occupational
> name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British Isles
> used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
> different groups of Carters.
>
> You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either, so
> maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
>
> Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
> proven or disproven without further information.
>
>
> Dale M Crawford
> 562 Acorn Ridge Lane
> Orange Park, Florida 32065
> 904-291-2708
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or French'
> because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
> Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant out
> of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
>
> What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
> Carter???
>
>
>
>
> > From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
> > To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
> > break
>
> > the code.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Terry
> > Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > Pat,
> >
> > Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
> > County, South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1
> > [Eye one] so your Carter family cannot be related to those with
> > haplogroup R1b families in the Carter DNA project....
> >
> > When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any
> > messages posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you
> > individually and it is to everyone who subscribes.
> >
> >
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresul
> > ts
> >
> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> >
> > Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
> > Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
> >
> > Robert "Mike" Terry
> > Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Holly Hampton
> > Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >
> >
> > A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> > looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> > carefully check the Markers.
> >
> >
> > Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
> > Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
> > better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
> > if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
> > Carter of Garston as many claim.
> > I
> > believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows
> > that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of
> > Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to
> > my satisfaction.
> >
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------
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> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
> > -------------------------------
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> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
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Todd, where did your female ancestor live when she had her 5 children out of
wedlock?
Alta
Daniel Brokerage
940-894-2040
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd" <ecarter1(a)kc.rr.com>
To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I am not a "real" Carter. Well my 4th G Grandmother was but she had 5
children out of wedlock (1820's). My DNA claims that I am a Llewellyn.
Todd Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:21 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Dale,
Your response makes me feel better. It's so frustrating - My male cousin
was nice enough to do the y-dna test at the 37 level. There are many
matches, but no one with a Carter name or even (to their knowledge in the
genealogy). I'd hope to use this method to help get some information, but
seems like that hasn't. Many of his matches have the same last name, but
just not the Carter name.
Bette
--- On Fri, 12/14/12, Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:57 AM
Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an occupational
name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British Isles
used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
different groups of Carters.
You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either, so
maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
proven or disproven without further information.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or French'
because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant out
of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Hampton
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
Carter???
> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
> To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
> break
> the code.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Terry
> Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Pat,
>
> Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
> County, South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1
> [Eye one] so your Carter family cannot be related to those with
> haplogroup R1b families in the Carter DNA project....
>
> When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any
> messages posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you
> individually and it is to everyone who subscribes.
>
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresul
> ts
>
> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>
> Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
> Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
>
> Robert "Mike" Terry
> Carter DNA Project Administrator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
>
>
> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> carefully check the Markers.
>
>
> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
> Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
> better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
> if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
> Carter of Garston as many claim.
> I
> believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows
> that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of
> Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to
> my satisfaction.
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
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I would call you a real Carter. That why I don't like the word REAL. I
don't think we should start having rules about the name or how the person
got it. That is why we have DNA's made, to help put us in the right family
units.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd" <ecarter1(a)kc.rr.com>
To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I am not a "real" Carter. Well my 4th G Grandmother was but she had 5
children out of wedlock (1820's). My DNA claims that I am a Llewellyn.
Todd Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:21 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Dale,
Your response makes me feel better. It's so frustrating - My male cousin
was nice enough to do the y-dna test at the 37 level. There are many
matches, but no one with a Carter name or even (to their knowledge in the
genealogy). I'd hope to use this method to help get some information, but
seems like that hasn't. Many of his matches have the same last name, but
just not the Carter name.
Bette
--- On Fri, 12/14/12, Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:57 AM
Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an occupational
name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British Isles
used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
different groups of Carters.
You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either, so
maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
proven or disproven without further information.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or French'
because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant out
of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Hampton
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
Carter???
> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
> To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
> break
> the code.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Terry
> Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Pat,
>
> Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
> County, South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1
> [Eye one] so your Carter family cannot be related to those with
> haplogroup R1b families in the Carter DNA project....
>
> When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any
> messages posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you
> individually and it is to everyone who subscribes.
>
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresul
> ts
>
> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>
> Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
> Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
>
> Robert "Mike" Terry
> Carter DNA Project Administrator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
>
>
> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> carefully check the Markers.
>
>
> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
> Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
> better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
> if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
> Carter of Garston as many claim.
> I
> believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows
> that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of
> Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to
> my satisfaction.
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
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>
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I failed to mention I have Greenberry name in my Roden and Stokes family who
did come from Maryland to Chester County, SC...... Nicholas Greenberry the
Governor may have been popular and might be the source for our Greenberry
names in our various families.
-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Hampton
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 11:21 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Nicholas Greenberry
There was Nicholas Greenberry. His line has daughter-out in the U.S. and as
you know, it is often hard to track daughters.
http://pweb.netcom.com/~fzsaund/greenberry.html
"Nicholas GREENBERRY died 17 Dec. 1697 in Anne Arundel Co., MD "age 70.""
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Greenberry
"Colonel Nicholas Greenberry (December 1627 – December 17, 1697) was the 4th
Royal Governor of Maryland, and Commander of the Military Forces of Anne
Arundel and Baltimore Counties."
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I think at one time Greenberry was a popular name for a boy. Wasn't
necessarily a family surname. I have several Greenberry's in my May line and
can find no one with Greenberry as a surname in my family lines. I have
also noticed the name in other lines back in the mid-1800s.
Patsy
-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Hampton
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:38 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Giles-Carter (note the hyphen punctuation mark)
I think it was usually the original surname of the mother or one of the
grandmothers but not always. I don't know of any specific convention. I
think it was pretty much what/who the parents liked.
I've been trying to find how the name Greenberry got introduced into my
Stevens family. One of my Carter ancestors married a Miss Stevens . Mrs.
Carter's brother had a son named Greenberry Stevens. I thought the
Greenberry name might be a clue to ancestry since it seemed like an odd name
to pull out of thin air but I have found no other Greenberry in the family.
Plus, there was another Greenberry Stevens from Virginia who seems to be
from an unrelated Stevens family.
.................................... /John Stevens
............................ /James Stevens b: 2 Apr 1677
............................ |...... \Mary Mumford
.................... /Thomas (Sr.) Stevens b: 12 Mar 1712 d: ~1758
.................... |...... \Sarah {Stevens}
............ /Thomas (Jr.) Stevens b: ~1740 d: 12 Jan 1795
............ |...... \female {Stevens} [ NOT Cunningham ]
.... /John Stevens b: ~1769
.... |...... \female {Stevens} d: ( in or before 1772 )
Greenberry Stevens b: ~1792
.... |.............. /William Kendrick
.... |...... /John Kendrick b: 30 Jun 1735 d: 16 Dec 1811
.... |...... |...... \Sarah Jones
.... \Keziah Kendrick b: ~1773
............ |...... /Richard Fox d: 1771
............ \Amy Fox
.................... \Hannah Williamson
We also have the name Baynes Carter in the family and it has created a lot
of speculation of where the name Baynes came from.
> From: broach(a)udel.edu
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 14:19:46 +0000
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Giles-Carter (note the hyphen punctuation mark)
>
> Whoops. I should have said: I’m intrigued by how the surname, Giles,
> became a forename. My forenames, Vance & Carter, are surnames from my
> paternal grandmother’s maiden name & her ancestor. That naming
> "convention" facilitates tracking lineage. Are you aware of any naming
> conventions prevalent in the Carters, or branches thereof, that might
> suggest clues of ancestry?
>
>
> Carter
> broach(a)udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
> ________________________________
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] on
> behalf of Holly Hampton [seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 8:43 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Giles-Carter (note the hyphen punctuation mark)
>
>
>
> If you check out the Giles Surname Project at Family Tree DNA you will see
> there is a "Q" Kit there that is a close Y-DNA match with my Carter line
> "Q" Y-DNA. The Giles (surname) family that lived in the same area where
> my Carter's lived goes back to William Giles, Sr. & wife Bethaniah
> (Bethany) Knowles. The Giles-Carter connection is probably through their
> son Nicholas Giles. Apparently one of my male Carter ancestors or one of
> his male relatives fathered a son with a Giles woman. I don't know if she
> was a Miss Giles or a Mrs. Giles but it looks like her son with "Carter"
> Y-DNA was given the Giles surname.
>
>
> The line of William Giles, Sr. & wife Bethaniah (Bethany) Knowles is the
> same Giles family of William Branch Giles of Amelia County, Virginia, "the
> 24th Governor of Virginia."
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Branch_Giles
>
>
> Every family has its secrets.
>
>
>
> 111513 Giles Q 13 23 13 10 13 20 12 12 12 12 14 28 18 9 10 11 12 27 15
> 19 30 15 15 16 16 10 11 19 22 17 15 18 20 34 34 12 12
>
> 136249 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 28 18 9-10 11 12 27 15
> 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 19 34-34 12 12
> 215071 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 28 19 9-10 11 12 27 15
> 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 20 34-34 12 12
> 097672 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 28 19 9-10 11 12 27 15
> 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 21 34-34 12 12
> 068902 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 29 19 9-10 11 12 27 15
> 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 20 34-34 12 12
>
>
>
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I think you're still a real Carter, you just lack ah historical Carter Y
chromosome, through no fault of yours. Think of it this way: you've
started a new Carter line.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Todd
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2012 9:10 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I am not a "real" Carter. Well my 4th G Grandmother was but she had 5
children out of wedlock (1820's). My DNA claims that I am a Llewellyn.
Todd Carter
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:21 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Dale,
Your response makes me feel better. It's so frustrating - My male cousin
was nice enough to do the y-dna test at the 37 level. There are many
matches, but no one with a Carter name or even (to their knowledge in the
genealogy). I'd hope to use this method to help get some information, but
seems like that hasn't. Many of his matches have the same last name, but
just not the Carter name.
Bette
--- On Fri, 12/14/12, Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:57 AM
Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an occupational
name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British Isles
used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
different groups of Carters.
You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either, so
maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
proven or disproven without further information.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or French'
because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant out
of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
-----Original Message-----
From: Holly Hampton
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
Carter???
> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
> To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
> break
> the code.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Terry
> Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Pat,
>
> Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
> County, South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1
> [Eye one] so your Carter family cannot be related to those with
> haplogroup R1b families in the Carter DNA project....
>
> When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any
> messages posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you
> individually and it is to everyone who subscribes.
>
>
> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresul
> ts
>
> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>
> Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
> Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
>
> Robert "Mike" Terry
> Carter DNA Project Administrator
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
>
>
> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> carefully check the Markers.
>
>
> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
> Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
> better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
> if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
> Carter of Garston as many claim.
> I
> believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows
> that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of
> Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to
> my satisfaction.
>
>
>
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That's not how I call it. You may have Y-DNA that is a match with other men who have the Llewellyn surname but in my book you are a "real" Carter.
Personally, I consider it a prejudice of our male-dominated society to think that a "real" surname can only come from the father. Women are people too!!! Women are valid parents!!
This whole "real" / "not real" surname business continues to paint women as second class citizens!!!
> From: ecarter1(a)kc.rr.com
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 08:09:42 -0600
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> I am not a "real" Carter. Well my 4th G Grandmother was but she had 5
> children out of wedlock (1820's). My DNA claims that I am a Llewellyn.
>
> Todd Carter
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bette
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:21 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Dale,
> Your response makes me feel better. It's so frustrating - My male cousin
> was nice enough to do the y-dna test at the 37 level. There are many
> matches, but no one with a Carter name or even (to their knowledge in the
> genealogy). I'd hope to use this method to help get some information, but
> seems like that hasn't. Many of his matches have the same last name, but
> just not the Carter name.
> Bette
>
> --- On Fri, 12/14/12, Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dale M. Crawford <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Friday, December 14, 2012, 7:57 AM
>
>
> Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
> Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an occupational
> name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British Isles
> used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
> different groups of Carters.
>
> You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either, so
> maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
>
> Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
> proven or disproven without further information.
>
>
> Dale M Crawford
> 562 Acorn Ridge Lane
> Orange Park, Florida 32065
> 904-291-2708
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or French'
> because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
> Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant out
> of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
>
> What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
> Carter???
>
>
>
>
> > From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> > Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
> > To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
> > break
>
> > the code.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Terry
> > Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > Pat,
> >
> > Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
> > County, South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1
> > [Eye one] so your Carter family cannot be related to those with
> > haplogroup R1b families in the Carter DNA project....
> >
> > When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any
> > messages posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you
> > individually and it is to everyone who subscribes.
> >
> >
> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresul
> > ts
> >
> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> >
> > Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
> > Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
> >
> > Robert "Mike" Terry
> > Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Holly Hampton
> > Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >
> >
> > A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> > looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> > carefully check the Markers.
> >
> >
> > Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
> > Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
> > better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
> > if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
> > Carter of Garston as many claim.
> > I
> > believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows
> > that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of
> > Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to
> > my satisfaction.
> >
> >
> >
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If you check out the Giles Surname Project at Family Tree DNA you will see there is a "Q" Kit there that is a close Y-DNA match with my Carter line "Q" Y-DNA. The Giles (surname) family that lived in the same area where my Carter's lived goes back to William Giles, Sr. & wife Bethaniah (Bethany) Knowles. The Giles-Carter connection is probably through their son Nicholas Giles. Apparently one of my male Carter ancestors or one of his male relatives fathered a son with a Giles woman. I don't know if she was a Miss Giles or a Mrs. Giles but it looks like her son with "Carter" Y-DNA was given the Giles surname.
The line of William Giles, Sr. & wife Bethaniah (Bethany) Knowles is the same Giles family of William Branch Giles of Amelia County, Virginia, "the 24th Governor of Virginia."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Branch_Giles
Every family has its secrets.
111513 Giles Q 13 23 13 10 13 20 12 12 12 12 14 28 18 9 10 11 12 27 15 19 30 15 15 16 16 10 11 19 22 17 15 18 20 34 34 12 12
136249 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 28 18 9-10 11 12 27 15 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 19 34-34 12 12
215071 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 28 19 9-10 11 12 27 15 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 20 34-34 12 12
097672 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 28 19 9-10 11 12 27 15 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 21 34-34 12 12
068902 Carter Q 13 23 13 10 13-20 12 12 12 12 14 29 19 9-10 11 12 27 15 19 30 15-15-16-16 10 11 19-22 17 15 18 20 34-34 12 12
"Political marriages" were for the 1% who were nobility but 99% of our ancestors were just common folks who had no political thoughts beyond growing/hunting/trapping food for their tables and chopping/finding wood for their fires. Most men married the girl next door. And occasionally some fooled around behind the barn. No doubt some got caught and no doubt some carried their secrets to their graves. I think I saw a post on the Family Tree DNA website, or possibly some other genetic genealogy website, that gave the number of approximately 3% of births in each generation were NPE.
For most of these 99% ordinary folks, their names have been lost in time. They left behind no paper-trail. The surviving paper-trail that we have is only the tip of the iceberg of the people who actually lived. People see them and latch on to them because that is all they see and think that is all there were.
Please don't dishonor your forgotten ancestors who didn't leave a paper-trail by falsely "adopting" someone else's ancestors simply because that is all the paper-trail that you see.
> Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2012 11:46:34 -0800
> From: robertbcarteriii(a)yahoo.com
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com; dhiott(a)lowcountry.com; smharn(a)bellsouth.net; 2010x(a)ronhudson.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable because you wanted family to run your
> far flung lands. I personally am not surprised to find at least three or four lines from a common source with no real DNA relationship on the male side.
> As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally matching surname French
> on both sides to the same degree that my mothers Sanford side does. I show matches with several
> R1b Hudson's who seem to be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with Hutson ties.
> We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
> Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we come from in my viewpoint
> and someone who understands charts & the such is needed to keep track of it all (Ms. Holly?).
> Robert-
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Holly Hampton <seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com>
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
>
>
> "... and he proved we descend from John Carter of London."
>
>
> Well, all I can say is that we currently have two Carter lines (R1b-04 and R1b-32) who both claim to have "proof" to be descended from him and the Y-DNA says both can't be right. Not unless one is an NPE or from an out-of-wedlock birth.
>
>
> 134472 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28 15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-38 11 12
> 172256 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-39 11 12
>
>
> 223271 R1b1a2 13 23 14 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30 15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
> 218088 R1b1a2 13 23 15 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30 15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:53 -0800
> > From: hewick1(a)yahoo.com
> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> > I submitted my cousin Gayland E Carter in Texas DNA kit #134472 based on my research of my Mom's maiden name since 1967 along with the extensive research of the late Bill Murphy of Raleigh, NC. He sent me all the documentation in the 1980's on our Carter line. He went to London and researched our Thomas Carter line of Isle of Wight Co., VA & NC, and he proved we descend from John Carter of London. Gayland Carter is in the Carter group 04 DNA Carter - R1b1a2. There are at least 12 other Carter's with the same markers. Many of these Carter's went from VA to NC, on to Tennessee & Mississippi, Arkansas & Texas, where my Mom was born in 1916.
> >
> >
> > Helen Nichols Murphy, Coronado, CA hewick1(a)yahoo.com 619-694-9415 Robinson Rootsweb Admin
> >
> >
> > >________________________________
> > >From: "Broach, Vance C, JR" <broach(a)udel.edu>
> > >To: "carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com" <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> > >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:01 AM
> > >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >
> > >To which line does Giles Carter belong?
> > >
> > >
> > >Carter Broach
> > >broach(a)udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
> > >________________________________
> > >From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] on behalf of Holly Hampton [seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
> > >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:54 AM
> > >To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >
> > >
> > >Totally for sure. By the Y-DNA, these are three different Carter lines.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >1) R1b-32 :
> > >Robert "King" Carter of Virginia (~1662-1732) [from Richard Carter (~1500-1558) of Garston Manor, Watford Parish, Hertfordshire, England]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >2) R1b-04 :
> > >Thomas Carter, Jr. of Isle of Wight County, Virginia (wife Magdalene Moore) (son of Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. & Elinor Cooke) [Pres. Jimmy Carter]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >3) I-03 :
> > >Jacob Carter of Colleton County, South Carolina
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Of course there is always the chance of an NPE or an out-of-wedlock birth where the Y-DNA changes but the surname does not.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> > >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:30:01 -0500
> > >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >>
> > >> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Holly Hampton
> > >> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> > >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to carefully check the Markers.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of Garston as many claim. I believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to my satisfaction.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
> > >> > To: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:37:02 -0600
> > >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >> >
> > >> > Pat Gallahorn: Are these three Carter Families R1b's? YES
> > >> >
> > >> > In the Carter DNA project we have established the Y-DNA for descendants of
> > >> > Robert “King” Carter of Corotoman, Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight and
> > >> > also those who claim descent from Thomas Carter, of Barford. Based on
> > >> > Y-DNA results, none of these families are closely related even though some
> > >> > older genealogies and more recent ones suggest they are.
> > >> >
> > >> > See Y-DNA groups: R1b – 04 (Isle of Wight); R1b – 02 (Thomas Carter of
> > >> > Barford) and R1b – 32 (Robert “King” Carter)
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
> > >> >
> > >> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> > >> >
> > >> > Both the Robert “King” Carter Family and Kit # 172256 claim descent from
> > >> > John Carter, Vintner of London, (1574-1630). Clearly, someone's family is
> > >> > the odd one out if we consider the Y-DNA.
> > >> >
> > >> > I would appreciate your comments....
> > >> >
> > >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> > >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:30 PM
> > >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >> >
> > >> > Are these three Carter Families R1b's?
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Mike Terry
> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:07 PM
> > >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >> >
> > >> > Correction: There is a Foreword in the book by President Jimmy Carter ....
> > >> >
> > >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > From: Mike Terry
> > >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 PM
> > >> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> > >> > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> > >> >
> > >> > I received my Christmas present early -- a new book by Jeff Carter called
> > >> > “Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter”. There is an interesting preface
> > >> > from his father President Jimmy Carter and one section entitled “The Thomas
> > >> > Carter Conundrum” which should interest descendants of Thomas Carter of
> > >> > Barford and Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight. There is plenty of Carter
> > >> > family information with sources noted so you can certainly evaluate for
> > >> > yourself, the thoughts behind the Carter family assumptions that Jeff Carter
> > >> > proposes in each of his parents lines. My one disappointment with the book
> > >> > is the word DNA cannot be found anywhere in the publication even as a
> > >> > footnote even though we have confirmed the Y-DNA for three Carter families
> > >> > from the Lancaster County area: Thomas Carter of Barford; Thomas Carter of
> > >> > the Isle of Wight [according to Jeff, the President’s family] and the Robert
> > >> > “King” Carter family. They are NOT closely related.
> > >> >
> > >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> > >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> > >> >
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Everyone in Group I - 03 is haplotype I1 (Eye One) and they include families
surnamed Carter, Hudson, Hutson, Boatwright and French. The Y-DNA is so
close that I would suggest they all share a common paternal ancestor at some
point. If two individuals match at 37+ on Y-DNA they would have to have the
same haplotype as the number values are what is used to determine that
designation based on a mathematical formula and/or SNP testing. These kind
of matches only result when there is a 1st cousin or sibling match somewhere
in the line. You may not have a paper trail on the other surnames; however,
they are very closely related within a genealogical time frame. For
example, I have a 67/63 match with a known and confirmed 3rd Cousin twice
removed. We KNOW our MRCA was born in 1788. Thematches in the I - 03 Group
are much better than that....
See the marker numbers in Group I - 03 and the listed Most Distant
Ancestors....
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
See pedigree listings here for Group I - 03
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
This know this does not give you any other information about Jacob Carter...
However, if it were me, I would try to find out where those other families
resided about 1800 - 1820. I have looked at a lot of Y-DNA matches and I
think that is the time period where you may match based on the closeness of
the match. You certainly can rule out a majority of Carter families in the
Y-DNA project, as you state, based on their haplotype of R1b1a2 .....
Robert "Mike" Terry
Carter DNA project Administrator
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale M. Crawford
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 4:39 PM
To: 'Mike Terry'
Subject: RE: [CARTER-DNA] Matches with other surnames on different DNA tests
If two persons match at 37+ places, do they necessarily belong to the same
haplotype. This disagreement within the descendants of Jacob Carter of
Colleton District, South Carolina is of long standing, and I appear to be in
the minority. Jacob is, to date, a stone wall, and that has led some to
believe that we actually descend from the French or Hudson family, because
FTDNA matches us with a bunch of people of those surnames, and people with
those surnames lived in the area around Jacob Carter. My position has been
that mere proximity and overall matches does not prove that we descend from
either family. For that matter, the Hudson family is R1b and we're I1. I
don't know the French haplotype. Whomever we descend from is an I1
haplotype. Some of my distant cousins want so badly to connect up further
back than Jacob that they are willing to accept tenuous connections as fact
if it gets them beyond Jacob Carter. I would like so much to go back
further than Jacob myself, but I want something proven, not just possible.
I may never get any further back, but if that's all that is provable, I can
accept that. After all, throughout history, most people have not been rich
or large landowners or heads of powerful families.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida
-------------------------------
My Carter line is I-07 on the familytreedna project. I can pick them up at
1800 in SC....does anyone know which Carter they come from back in VA.
Alta
Daniel Brokerage
940-894-2040
940-894-3641 Fax
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale M. Crawford" <dalemcrawford(a)comcast.net>
To: "'Robert B. Carter III'" <robertbcarteriii(a)yahoo.com>;
<carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>; "'David Hiott'" <dhiott(a)lowcountry.com>; "'Sandra
Harn'" <smharn(a)bellsouth.net>; "'Ron Hudson'" <2010x(a)ronhudson.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> Jacob Carter is an I1 haplotype, so any connection with an R1b Hudson is
> not through the paternal lines.
>
>
> Dale M Crawford
> 562 Acorn Ridge Lane
> Orange Park, Florida 32065
> 904-291-2708
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robert B. Carter III
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:47 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com; David Hiott; Sandra Harn; Ron Hudson
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although
> one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable
> because you wanted family to run your far flung lands. I personally am not
> surprised to find at least three or four lines from a common source with
> no real DNA relationship on the male side.
> As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally
> matching surname French on both sides to the same degree that my mothers
> Sanford side does. I show matches with several R1b Hudson's who seem to
> be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with Hutson ties.
> We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not
> cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
> Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we
> come from in my viewpoint and someone who understands charts & the such is
> needed to keep track of it all (Ms. Holly?).
> Robert-
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Holly Hampton <seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com>
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
>
>
> "... and he proved we descend from John Carter of London."
>
>
> Well, all I can say is that we currently have two Carter lines (R1b-04 and
> R1b-32) who both claim to have "proof" to be descended from him and the
> Y-DNA says both can't be right. Not unless one is an NPE or from an
> out-of-wedlock birth.
>
>
> 134472 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19
> 28 15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-38 11 12
> 172256 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20
> 28 15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-39 11 12
>
>
> 223271 R1b1a2 13 23 14 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19
> 30 15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
> 218088 R1b1a2 13 23 15 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19
> 30 15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:53 -0800
>> From: hewick1(a)yahoo.com
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> I submitted my cousin Gayland E Carter in Texas DNA kit #134472 based on
>> my research of my Mom's maiden name since 1967 along with the extensive
>> research of the late Bill Murphy of Raleigh, NC. He sent me all the
>> documentation in the 1980's on our Carter line. He went to London and
>> researched our Thomas Carter line of Isle of Wight Co., VA & NC, and he
>> proved we descend from John Carter of London. Gayland Carter is in the
>> Carter group 04 DNA Carter - R1b1a2. There are at least 12 other Carter's
>> with the same markers. Many of these Carter's went from VA to NC, on to
>> Tennessee & Mississippi, Arkansas & Texas, where my Mom was born in 1916.
>>
>>
>> Helen Nichols Murphy, Coronado, CA hewick1(a)yahoo.com 619-694-9415
>> Robinson Rootsweb Admin
>>
>>
>> >________________________________
>> >From: "Broach, Vance C, JR" <broach(a)udel.edu>
>> >To: "carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com" <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
>> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:01 AM
>> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >
>> >To which line does Giles Carter belong?
>> >
>> >
>> >Carter Broach
>> >broach(a)udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
>> >________________________________
>> >From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com]
>> >on behalf of Holly Hampton
>> >[seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
>> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:54 AM
>> >To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >
>> >
>> >Totally for sure. By the Y-DNA, these are three different Carter lines.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >1) R1b-32 :
>> >Robert "King" Carter of Virginia (~1662-1732) [from Richard Carter
>> >(~1500-1558) of Garston Manor, Watford Parish, Hertfordshire, England]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >2) R1b-04 :
>> >Thomas Carter, Jr. of Isle of Wight County, Virginia (wife Magdalene
>> >Moore) (son of Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. & Elinor Cooke) [Pres. Jimmy
>> >Carter]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >3) I-03 :
>> >Jacob Carter of Colleton County, South Carolina
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Of course there is always the chance of an NPE or an out-of-wedlock
>> >birth where the Y-DNA changes but the surname does not.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
>> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:30:01 -0500
>> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >>
>> >> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Holly Hampton
>> >> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
>> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
>> >> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
>> >> carefully check the Markers.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of
>> >> Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the
>> >> better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is
>> >> if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard
>> >> Carter of Garston as many claim. I believe the Coat of Arms that was
>> >> used by Robert "King" Carter shows that he himself claimed to be a
>> >> descendant of Richard Carter of Garston but the line from Richard down
>> >> to Robert is not documented to my satisfaction.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
>> >> > To: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:37:02 -0600
>> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >> >
>> >> > Pat Gallahorn: Are these three Carter Families R1b's? YES
>> >> >
>> >> > In the Carter DNA project we have established the Y-DNA for
>> >> > descendants of
>> >> > Robert “King” Carter of Corotoman, Thomas Carter of the Isle of
>> >> > Wight and
>> >> > also those who claim descent from Thomas Carter, of Barford. Based
>> >> > on
>> >> > Y-DNA results, none of these families are closely related even
>> >> > though some
>> >> > older genealogies and more recent ones suggest they are.
>> >> >
>> >> > See Y-DNA groups: R1b – 04 (Isle of Wight); R1b – 02 (Thomas Carter
>> >> > of
>> >> > Barford) and R1b – 32 (Robert “King” Carter)
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>> >> >
>> >> > Both the Robert “King” Carter Family and Kit # 172256 claim descent
>> >> > from
>> >> > John Carter, Vintner of London, (1574-1630). Clearly, someone's
>> >> > family is
>> >> > the odd one out if we consider the Y-DNA.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would appreciate your comments....
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
>> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Pat Gallahorn
>> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:30 PM
>> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >> >
>> >> > Are these three Carter Families R1b's?
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Mike Terry
>> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:07 PM
>> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >> >
>> >> > Correction: There is a Foreword in the book by President Jimmy
>> >> > Carter ....
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: Mike Terry
>> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 PM
>> >> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>> >> >
>> >> > I received my Christmas present early -- a new book by Jeff Carter
>> >> > called
>> >> > “Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter”. There is an interesting
>> >> > preface
>> >> > from his father President Jimmy Carter and one section entitled “The
>> >> > Thomas
>> >> > Carter Conundrum” which should interest descendants of Thomas Carter
>> >> > of
>> >> > Barford and Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight. There is plenty of
>> >> > Carter
>> >> > family information with sources noted so you can certainly evaluate
>> >> > for
>> >> > yourself, the thoughts behind the Carter family assumptions that
>> >> > Jeff Carter
>> >> > proposes in each of his parents lines. My one disappointment with
>> >> > the book
>> >> > is the word DNA cannot be found anywhere in the publication even as
>> >> > a
>> >> > footnote even though we have confirmed the Y-DNA for three Carter
>> >> > families
>> >> > from the Lancaster County area: Thomas Carter of Barford; Thomas
>> >> > Carter of
>> >> > the Isle of Wight [according to Jeff, the President’s family] and
>> >> > the Robert
>> >> > “King” Carter family. They are NOT closely related.
>> >> >
>> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
>> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
>> >> >
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Well, since I'm the one that said "real" and started this, guess I need to
address it...
I didn't mean anything derogatory about being a Carter since I have been one
all my life as has my Father and his entire family....he happens to be in
the group that goes back to Jacob Carter of St. Bartholomews Parish,
Colleton County, South Carolina. Since we can't prove anything further
because we don't know where he was born, exactly when he died, or who his
parents were. Believe me, many of us have done research to try and find
out. I could care less whether my Carter's were from Virginia or wherever
or whether they were rich or poor. I'd just like to know more about them.
The descendants either stayed in Colleton County, or went to Southern
Georgia in the early 1800's.
Because of the DNA testing, it seems that French and Hutson are 100% match
67 + markers......I'm not smart enough to understand it all, but Robert
Carter who has done much more research than probably anyone has the
following to say to some of us who descend from Jacob Carter (I hope he
won't mind me sharing):
"You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although
one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable
because you wanted family to run your
far flung lands. I personally am not surprised to find at least three or
four lines from a common source with no real DNA relationship on the male
side.
As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally
matching surname French
on both sides to the same degree that my mothers Sanford side does. I show
matches with several
R1b Hudson's who seem to be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with
Hutson ties.
We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not
cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we come
from in my viewpoint
and someone who understands charts & the such is needed to keep track of it
all (Ms. Holly?).
Robert-"
Hope I haven't insulted anyone regarding being "real" Carters....not my
intention at all.
Pat Carter Gallahorn
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale M. Crawford
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:49 AM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com ; 'Mike Terry'
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I completely agree with you.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nancy carter brooks
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Mike Terry; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I think the wording " real" has given a wrong impression. All names has
come from an occupation or son of son of, but that doesn't make one a real
anything. Are we trying to say they are not amoung the well known Carters or
the rich Carters ? I know that there will be some people that are not blood
Carters because of out- of wedlock children and such, but to say the other
Carters aren't REAL Carter because they do not match what some people may
think are just 2 or 3 main families of Carters is wrong, in my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Terry" <mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
> Excellent response Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale M. Crawford
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:57 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
> Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an
> occupational
> name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British
> Isles
> used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
> different groups of Carters.
>
> You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either,
> so
> maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
>
> Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
> proven or disproven without further information.
>
>
> Dale M Crawford
> 562 Acorn Ridge Lane
> Orange Park, Florida 32065
> 904-291-2708
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or
> French'
> because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
> Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant
> out
> of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
>
> What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
> Carter???
>
>
>
>
>> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
>> To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
>> break
>
>> the code.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Terry
>> Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
>> County,
>> South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1 [Eye one] so
>> your
>> Carter family cannot be related to those with haplogroup R1b families in
>> the
>> Carter DNA project....
>>
>> When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any messages
>> posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you individually
>> and it is to everyone who subscribes.
>>
>>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
>>
>> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>>
>> Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
>> Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
>>
>> Robert "Mike" Terry
>> Carter DNA Project Administrator
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pat Gallahorn
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Holly Hampton
>> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>>
>>
>> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
>> looking
>> at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to carefully
>> check the Markers.
>>
>>
>> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston
>> in
>> 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better claim to
>> being
>> from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John Carter "Vintner of
>> London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of Garston as many claim.
>> I
>> believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows that
>> he
>> himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of Garston but the
>> line
>> from Richard down to Robert is not documented to my satisfaction.
>>
>>
>>
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Yeah Robert. What does it all mean? I've been out of it for 2 years now,
but plan to get back in the 'fray' after February.......
You seem to be saying that we have a female who married into the Carters but
had children by someone else.....is that right?
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert B. Carter III
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 2:46 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com ; David Hiott ; Sandra Harn ; Ron Hudson
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although
one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable
because you wanted family to run your
far flung lands. I personally am not surprised to find at least three or
four lines from a common source with no real DNA relationship on the male
side.
As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally
matching surname French
on both sides to the same degree that my mothers Sanford side does. I show
matches with several
R1b Hudson's who seem to be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with
Hutson ties.
We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not
cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we come
from in my viewpoint
and someone who understands charts & the such is needed to keep track of it
all (Ms. Holly?).
Robert-
________________________________
From: Holly Hampton <seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com>
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
"... and he proved we descend from John Carter of London."
Well, all I can say is that we currently have two Carter lines (R1b-04 and
R1b-32) who both claim to have "proof" to be descended from him and the
Y-DNA says both can't be right. Not unless one is an NPE or from an
out-of-wedlock birth.
134472 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28
15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-38 11 12
172256 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 28
15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-39 11 12
223271 R1b1a2 13 23 14 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30
15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
218088 R1b1a2 13 23 15 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30
15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:53 -0800
> From: hewick1(a)yahoo.com
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I submitted my cousin Gayland E Carter in Texas DNA kit #134472 based on
> my research of my Mom's maiden name since 1967 along with the extensive
> research of the late Bill Murphy of Raleigh, NC. He sent me all the
> documentation in the 1980's on our Carter line. He went to London and
> researched our Thomas Carter line of Isle of Wight Co., VA & NC, and he
> proved we descend from John Carter of London. Gayland Carter is in the
> Carter group 04 DNA Carter - R1b1a2. There are at least 12 other Carter's
> with the same markers. Many of these Carter's went from VA to NC, on to
> Tennessee & Mississippi, Arkansas & Texas, where my Mom was born in 1916.
>
>
> Helen Nichols Murphy, Coronado, CA hewick1(a)yahoo.com 619-694-9415 Robinson
> Rootsweb Admin
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: "Broach, Vance C, JR" <broach(a)udel.edu>
> >To: "carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com" <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >To which line does Giles Carter belong?
> >
> >
> >Carter Broach
> >broach(a)udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
> >________________________________
> >From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com]
> >on behalf of Holly Hampton [seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:54 AM
> >To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >
> >Totally for sure. By the Y-DNA, these are three different Carter lines.
> >
> >
> >
> >1) R1b-32 :
> >Robert "King" Carter of Virginia (~1662-1732) [from Richard Carter
> >(~1500-1558) of Garston Manor, Watford Parish, Hertfordshire, England]
> >
> >
> >
> >2) R1b-04 :
> >Thomas Carter, Jr. of Isle of Wight County, Virginia (wife Magdalene
> >Moore) (son of Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. & Elinor Cooke) [Pres. Jimmy
> >Carter]
> >
> >
> >
> >3) I-03 :
> >Jacob Carter of Colleton County, South Carolina
> >
> >
> >
> >Of course there is always the chance of an NPE or an out-of-wedlock birth
> >where the Y-DNA changes but the surname does not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:30:01 -0500
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Holly Hampton
> >> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> >> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> >> carefully check the Markers.
> >>
> >>
> >> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston
> >> in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better claim
> >> to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John Carter
> >> "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of Garston
> >> as many claim. I believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert
> >> "King" Carter shows that he himself claimed to be a descendant of
> >> Richard Carter of Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is
> >> not documented to my satisfaction.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
> >> > To: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:37:02 -0600
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Pat Gallahorn: Are these three Carter Families R1b's? YES
> >> >
> >> > In the Carter DNA project we have established the Y-DNA for
> >> > descendants of
> >> > Robert “King” Carter of Corotoman, Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight
> >> > and
> >> > also those who claim descent from Thomas Carter, of Barford. Based
> >> > on
> >> > Y-DNA results, none of these families are closely related even though
> >> > some
> >> > older genealogies and more recent ones suggest they are.
> >> >
> >> > See Y-DNA groups: R1b – 04 (Isle of Wight); R1b – 02 (Thomas Carter
> >> > of
> >> > Barford) and R1b – 32 (Robert “King” Carter)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
> >> >
> >> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> >> >
> >> > Both the Robert “King” Carter Family and Kit # 172256 claim descent
> >> > from
> >> > John Carter, Vintner of London, (1574-1630). Clearly, someone's
> >> > family is
> >> > the odd one out if we consider the Y-DNA.
> >> >
> >> > I would appreciate your comments....
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:30 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Are these three Carter Families R1b's?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:07 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Correction: There is a Foreword in the book by President Jimmy Carter
> >> > ....
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 PM
> >> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > I received my Christmas present early -- a new book by Jeff Carter
> >> > called
> >> > “Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter”. There is an interesting
> >> > preface
> >> > from his father President Jimmy Carter and one section entitled “The
> >> > Thomas
> >> > Carter Conundrum” which should interest descendants of Thomas Carter
> >> > of
> >> > Barford and Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight. There is plenty of
> >> > Carter
> >> > family information with sources noted so you can certainly evaluate
> >> > for
> >> > yourself, the thoughts behind the Carter family assumptions that Jeff
> >> > Carter
> >> > proposes in each of his parents lines. My one disappointment with
> >> > the book
> >> > is the word DNA cannot be found anywhere in the publication even as a
> >> > footnote even though we have confirmed the Y-DNA for three Carter
> >> > families
> >> > from the Lancaster County area: Thomas Carter of Barford; Thomas
> >> > Carter of
> >> > the Isle of Wight [according to Jeff, the President’s family] and the
> >> > Robert
> >> > “King” Carter family. They are NOT closely related.
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
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I have changed the thread as we are not talking about Ancestors of Jimmy and
Rosalynn Carter any more. If your families tests are getting solid Y-DNA
matches at 37 markers or beyond and/or Family Finder matches with others
with different or the same surnames in their lines then you need to
entertain the possibility of some kind of event... It might be adoption or
someone just taking another name. Some families accept these as interesting
and move on and some choose to ignore them or even discuss the
possibilities. All I can say it this sometimes makes your family history
and the "brick walls" not quite so boring.... For the person who has that
perfect family pedigree passed along for generations the match with other
surnames can be very disconcerting so when speaking about this one needs to
be sensitive to this. I really do not like the term NPE or Non Paternal
Event as everyone has a father. Instead of NPE I would rather say at some
point in the line "the documented father is NOT the biological father".
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert B. Carter III
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:46 PM
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com ; David Hiott ; Sandra Harn ; Ron Hudson
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although
one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable
because you wanted family to run your
far flung lands. I personally am not surprised to find at least three or
four lines from a common source with no real DNA relationship on the male
side.
As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally
matching surname French
on both sides to the same degree that my mothers Sanford side does. I show
matches with several
R1b Hudson's who seem to be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with
Hutson ties.
We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not
cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we come
from in my viewpoint
and someone who understands charts & the such is needed to keep track of it
all (Ms. Holly?).
Robert-
________________________________
From: Holly Hampton <seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com>
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
"... and he proved we descend from John Carter of London."
Well, all I can say is that we currently have two Carter lines (R1b-04 and
R1b-32) who both claim to have "proof" to be descended from him and the
Y-DNA says both can't be right. Not unless one is an NPE or from an
out-of-wedlock birth.
134472 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28
15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-38 11 12
172256 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 28
15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-39 11 12
223271 R1b1a2 13 23 14 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30
15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
218088 R1b1a2 13 23 15 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30
15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:53 -0800
> From: hewick1(a)yahoo.com
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I submitted my cousin Gayland E Carter in Texas DNA kit #134472 based on
> my research of my Mom's maiden name since 1967 along with the extensive
> research of the late Bill Murphy of Raleigh, NC. He sent me all the
> documentation in the 1980's on our Carter line. He went to London and
> researched our Thomas Carter line of Isle of Wight Co., VA & NC, and he
> proved we descend from John Carter of London. Gayland Carter is in the
> Carter group 04 DNA Carter - R1b1a2. There are at least 12 other Carter's
> with the same markers. Many of these Carter's went from VA to NC, on to
> Tennessee & Mississippi, Arkansas & Texas, where my Mom was born in 1916.
>
>
> Helen Nichols Murphy, Coronado, CA hewick1(a)yahoo.com 619-694-9415 Robinson
> Rootsweb Admin
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: "Broach, Vance C, JR" <broach(a)udel.edu>
> >To: "carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com" <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >To which line does Giles Carter belong?
> >
> >
> >Carter Broach
> >broach(a)udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
> >________________________________
> >From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com]
> >on behalf of Holly Hampton [seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:54 AM
> >To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >
> >Totally for sure. By the Y-DNA, these are three different Carter lines.
> >
> >
> >
> >1) R1b-32 :
> >Robert "King" Carter of Virginia (~1662-1732) [from Richard Carter
> >(~1500-1558) of Garston Manor, Watford Parish, Hertfordshire, England]
> >
> >
> >
> >2) R1b-04 :
> >Thomas Carter, Jr. of Isle of Wight County, Virginia (wife Magdalene
> >Moore) (son of Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. & Elinor Cooke) [Pres. Jimmy
> >Carter]
> >
> >
> >
> >3) I-03 :
> >Jacob Carter of Colleton County, South Carolina
> >
> >
> >
> >Of course there is always the chance of an NPE or an out-of-wedlock birth
> >where the Y-DNA changes but the surname does not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:30:01 -0500
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Holly Hampton
> >> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
> >> looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to
> >> carefully check the Markers.
> >>
> >>
> >> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston
> >> in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better claim
> >> to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John Carter
> >> "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of Garston
> >> as many claim. I believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert
> >> "King" Carter shows that he himself claimed to be a descendant of
> >> Richard Carter of Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is
> >> not documented to my satisfaction.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
> >> > To: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:37:02 -0600
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Pat Gallahorn: Are these three Carter Families R1b's? YES
> >> >
> >> > In the Carter DNA project we have established the Y-DNA for
> >> > descendants of
> >> > Robert “King” Carter of Corotoman, Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight
> >> > and
> >> > also those who claim descent from Thomas Carter, of Barford. Based
> >> > on
> >> > Y-DNA results, none of these families are closely related even though
> >> > some
> >> > older genealogies and more recent ones suggest they are.
> >> >
> >> > See Y-DNA groups: R1b – 04 (Isle of Wight); R1b – 02 (Thomas Carter
> >> > of
> >> > Barford) and R1b – 32 (Robert “King” Carter)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
> >> >
> >> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> >> >
> >> > Both the Robert “King” Carter Family and Kit # 172256 claim descent
> >> > from
> >> > John Carter, Vintner of London, (1574-1630). Clearly, someone's
> >> > family is
> >> > the odd one out if we consider the Y-DNA.
> >> >
> >> > I would appreciate your comments....
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:30 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Are these three Carter Families R1b's?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:07 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Correction: There is a Foreword in the book by President Jimmy Carter
> >> > ....
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 PM
> >> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > I received my Christmas present early -- a new book by Jeff Carter
> >> > called
> >> > “Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter”. There is an interesting
> >> > preface
> >> > from his father President Jimmy Carter and one section entitled “The
> >> > Thomas
> >> > Carter Conundrum” which should interest descendants of Thomas Carter
> >> > of
> >> > Barford and Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight. There is plenty of
> >> > Carter
> >> > family information with sources noted so you can certainly evaluate
> >> > for
> >> > yourself, the thoughts behind the Carter family assumptions that Jeff
> >> > Carter
> >> > proposes in each of his parents lines. My one disappointment with
> >> > the book
> >> > is the word DNA cannot be found anywhere in the publication even as a
> >> > footnote even though we have confirmed the Y-DNA for three Carter
> >> > families
> >> > from the Lancaster County area: Thomas Carter of Barford; Thomas
> >> > Carter of
> >> > the Isle of Wight [according to Jeff, the President’s family] and the
> >> > Robert
> >> > “King” Carter family. They are NOT closely related.
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
> >> > -------------------------------
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> >> > the
> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >> >
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Henry Carter b 1776 Culpepper Co VA d 29 Mar 1860 IN Y-DNA Kit # 259686
I have added the pedigree for this family to: Carter Lineage Group R1b - 01 [R1b1a2]
Contact: Ruth Carter-Smith [lsmith107 AT Cox.net] Y-DNA Kit # 259686 Group R1b-01
0 Henry Carter b 1776 Culpepper Co VA d 29 Mar 1860 IN
http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
Note: This is an informational general broadcast to the entire Carter-DNA mail group
Robert Mike Terry
Carter DNA Project Administrator
I completely agree with you.
Dale M Crawford
562 Acorn Ridge Lane
Orange Park, Florida 32065
904-291-2708
-----Original Message-----
From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of nancy carter brooks
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 11:06 AM
To: Mike Terry; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
I think the wording " real" has given a wrong impression. All names has
come from an occupation or son of son of, but that doesn't make one a real
anything. Are we trying to say they are not amoung the well known Carters or
the rich Carters ? I know that there will be some people that are not blood
Carters because of out- of wedlock children and such, but to say the other
Carters aren't REAL Carter because they do not match what some people may
think are just 2 or 3 main families of Carters is wrong, in my opinion.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Terry" <mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 9:33 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
> Excellent response Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dale M. Crawford
> Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 7:57 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Lots of Carters don't match any other Carters. Each of those groupings of
> Carters on the website don't match other Carters. Carter is an
> occupational
> name, so unrelated people of that occupation from all over the British
> Isles
> used the name as surnames came into use. That's why there are some many
> different groups of Carters.
>
> You could also say that none of the other Carters match our group either,
> so
> maybe they aren't "real" Carters.
>
> Of course, a so-called non-parental event may have occurred. It can't be
> proven or disproven without further information.
>
>
> Dale M Crawford
> 562 Acorn Ridge Lane
> Orange Park, Florida 32065
> 904-291-2708
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:carter-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Gallahorn
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 9:17 PM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
> Ha, well, I think that we might be 'something else' like 'Hudson or
> French'
> because our DNA doesn't match any other Carters.
> Probably a female Carter that had an affair, or a woman who got pregnant
> out
> of wedlock and a Carter married her and thus the name.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Holly Hampton
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:58 AM
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CARTER-DNA] What is a "real" Carter???
>
>
> What??? What do you mean "not really Carters"? What makes a "real"
> Carter???
>
>
>
>
>> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
>> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:42:19 -0500
>> To: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> I understand. Seems we're not really Carters.....probably will never
>> break
>
>> the code.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Terry
>> Sent: 12/12/2012 2:08 PM
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> Pat,
>>
>> Assuming your family is related to the Jacob Carter family Colleton
>> County,
>> South Carolina, then you are care confirmed haplogroup I1 [Eye one] so
>> your
>> Carter family cannot be related to those with haplogroup R1b families in
>> the
>> Carter DNA project....
>>
>> When you subscribe to the Carter-DNA mail group you received any messages
>> posted there so it appears to you that the message is to you individually
>> and it is to everyone who subscribes.
>>
>>
>> http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
>>
>> http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
>>
>> Short answer to Pat Gallahorn: For sure you ARE NOT related to the
>> Lancaster County, Virginia Carter families we are referencing.
>>
>> Robert "Mike" Terry
>> Carter DNA Project Administrator
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Pat Gallahorn
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:30 PM
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Holly Hampton
>> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
>> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>>
>>
>>
>> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just
>> looking
>> at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to carefully
>> check the Markers.
>>
>>
>> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston
>> in
>> 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better claim to
>> being
>> from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John Carter "Vintner of
>> London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of Garston as many claim.
>> I
>> believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows that
>> he
>> himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of Garston but the
>> line
>> from Richard down to Robert is not documented to my satisfaction.
>>
>>
>>
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You all are forgetting the fact that our era was the Norman era. Although one wife at a time was common, political marriages were quite acceptable because you wanted family to run your
far flung lands. I personally am not surprised to find at least three or four lines from a common source with no real DNA relationship on the male side.
As for the Jacob of Colleton group. Family finder shows me personally matching surname French
on both sides to the same degree that my mothers Sanford side does. I show matches with several
R1b Hudson's who seem to be from Massachusetts on the female side, also with Hutson ties.
We are all upgrading as fast as economics will allow but we are not cooperating with Family Finder results nor on the mtdna-full sequence.
Everyone needs to read lots of history to begin to understand where we come from in my viewpoint
and someone who understands charts & the such is needed to keep track of it all (Ms. Holly?).
Robert-
________________________________
From: Holly Hampton <seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com>
To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Friday, December 14, 2012 1:50 AM
Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
"... and he proved we descend from John Carter of London."
Well, all I can say is that we currently have two Carter lines (R1b-04 and R1b-32) who both claim to have "proof" to be descended from him and the Y-DNA says both can't be right. Not unless one is an NPE or from an out-of-wedlock birth.
134472 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 19 28 15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-38 11 12
172256 R1b1a2 13 24 14 10 11-14 12 12 10 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 25 15 20 28 15-15-17-18 11 11 19-22 15 15 19 17 37-39 11 12
223271 R1b1a2 13 23 14 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30 15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
218088 R1b1a2 13 23 15 11 11-12 12 12 12 13 13 29 17 9-10 11 11 23 15 19 30 15-16-17-17 11 10 19-23 17 14 18 17 37-38 13 12
> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2012 08:14:53 -0800
> From: hewick1(a)yahoo.com
> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
>
> I submitted my cousin Gayland E Carter in Texas DNA kit #134472 based on my research of my Mom's maiden name since 1967 along with the extensive research of the late Bill Murphy of Raleigh, NC. He sent me all the documentation in the 1980's on our Carter line. He went to London and researched our Thomas Carter line of Isle of Wight Co., VA & NC, and he proved we descend from John Carter of London. Gayland Carter is in the Carter group 04 DNA Carter - R1b1a2. There are at least 12 other Carter's with the same markers. Many of these Carter's went from VA to NC, on to Tennessee & Mississippi, Arkansas & Texas, where my Mom was born in 1916.
>
>
> Helen Nichols Murphy, Coronado, CA hewick1(a)yahoo.com 619-694-9415 Robinson Rootsweb Admin
>
>
> >________________________________
> >From: "Broach, Vance C, JR" <broach(a)udel.edu>
> >To: "carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com" <carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 8:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >To which line does Giles Carter belong?
> >
> >
> >Carter Broach
> >broach(a)udel.edu<mailto:broach@udel.edu>
> >________________________________
> >From: carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [carter-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] on behalf of Holly Hampton [seeking-the-mother-of-polly-stevens(a)live.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:54 AM
> >To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >
> >
> >Totally for sure. By the Y-DNA, these are three different Carter lines.
> >
> >
> >
> >1) R1b-32 :
> >Robert "King" Carter of Virginia (~1662-1732) [from Richard Carter (~1500-1558) of Garston Manor, Watford Parish, Hertfordshire, England]
> >
> >
> >
> >2) R1b-04 :
> >Thomas Carter, Jr. of Isle of Wight County, Virginia (wife Magdalene Moore) (son of Capt. Thomas Carter, Sr. & Elinor Cooke) [Pres. Jimmy Carter]
> >
> >
> >
> >3) I-03 :
> >Jacob Carter of Colleton County, South Carolina
> >
> >
> >
> >Of course there is always the chance of an NPE or an out-of-wedlock birth where the Y-DNA changes but the surname does not.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net
> >> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 13:30:01 -0500
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >> Does that mean that my Carter is not from there for sure
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Holly Hampton
> >> Sent: 12/11/2012 4:48 AM
> >> To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> A reminder to all that 2 out of 3 men from England are R1b so just looking at the Haplogroup of R1b is not enough. With R1b you have to carefully check the Markers.
> >>
> >>
> >> Based on the Coat of Arms that was granted to Richard Carter of Garston in 1546, I believe the Robert "King" Carter line has the better claim to being from John Carter "Vintner of London". That is if John Carter "Vintner of London" really was a grandson of Richard Carter of Garston as many claim. I believe the Coat of Arms that was used by Robert "King" Carter shows that he himself claimed to be a descendant of Richard Carter of Garston but the line from Richard down to Robert is not documented to my satisfaction.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > From: mterry3158(a)sbcglobal.net
> >> > To: patgallahorn(a)comcast.net; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:37:02 -0600
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Pat Gallahorn: Are these three Carter Families R1b's? YES
> >> >
> >> > In the Carter DNA project we have established the Y-DNA for descendants of
> >> > Robert “King” Carter of Corotoman, Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight and
> >> > also those who claim descent from Thomas Carter, of Barford. Based on
> >> > Y-DNA results, none of these families are closely related even though some
> >> > older genealogies and more recent ones suggest they are.
> >> >
> >> > See Y-DNA groups: R1b – 04 (Isle of Wight); R1b – 02 (Thomas Carter of
> >> > Barford) and R1b – 32 (Robert “King” Carter)
> >> >
> >> > http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carter/default.aspx?section=yresults
> >> >
> >> > http://www.worldfamilies.net/surnames/carter/pats
> >> >
> >> > Both the Robert “King” Carter Family and Kit # 172256 claim descent from
> >> > John Carter, Vintner of London, (1574-1630). Clearly, someone's family is
> >> > the odd one out if we consider the Y-DNA.
> >> >
> >> > I would appreciate your comments....
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Pat Gallahorn
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 7:30 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Are these three Carter Families R1b's?
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 8:07 PM
> >> > To: Mike Terry ; carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: Re: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > Correction: There is a Foreword in the book by President Jimmy Carter ....
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Mike Terry
> >> > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 6:42 PM
> >> > To: carter-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> >> > Subject: [CARTER-DNA] Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter
> >> >
> >> > I received my Christmas present early -- a new book by Jeff Carter called
> >> > “Ancestors of Jimmy and Rosalynn Carter”. There is an interesting preface
> >> > from his father President Jimmy Carter and one section entitled “The Thomas
> >> > Carter Conundrum” which should interest descendants of Thomas Carter of
> >> > Barford and Thomas Carter of the Isle of Wight. There is plenty of Carter
> >> > family information with sources noted so you can certainly evaluate for
> >> > yourself, the thoughts behind the Carter family assumptions that Jeff Carter
> >> > proposes in each of his parents lines. My one disappointment with the book
> >> > is the word DNA cannot be found anywhere in the publication even as a
> >> > footnote even though we have confirmed the Y-DNA for three Carter families
> >> > from the Lancaster County area: Thomas Carter of Barford; Thomas Carter of
> >> > the Isle of Wight [according to Jeff, the President’s family] and the Robert
> >> > “King” Carter family. They are NOT closely related.
> >> >
> >> > Robert “Mike” Terry
> >> > FTDNA Carter DNA Project Administrator
> >> >
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