Hi Jay,
Yes, our Carson paternal line is Nordic (possibly Viking or Norsemen
invader origins) in the I haplogroup Some researchers think our Nordic DNA may
come from the Pict people who were in early Britain, prior to the
Scots/Angles/Saxons and Normans arriving. Also, the Norman French (William the
Conqueror c1100AD) who took over England from the Saxon kings descended from
the Norsemen who settled Normandy (i.e., Vikings), so they would also be from
the Nordic origins.
My results are posted as C-11, kit 68584.
Our I haplogroup of Nordic origin Carson lines show up in some of the same
counties in PA, NC and SC as the Western European lines (the R
haplogroup). The Thomas Gibson Carson in SC is not in our group per DNA
results...they are the R group. So far, the 3 Carson lines proven to have been in
Lancaster/Cumberland PA 1740s-1770s are in our Nordic DNA group (3 branches).
One of those was in Chester and Cumberland both. As you know, your Thomas
Carson b1740 line was in New Castle DE initially. Some Carson lines from
that county were later in Guilford NC with my Carson line although I haven't
seen DNA results for those DE lines. I think they tie back to Chester PA
also.
One thing to keep in mind is that the DNA results don't lie. Some people
who descend from a particular line on paper find out that there was a
different father somewhere back there, so their biological paternal ancestor is
from a different surname. The DNA results proved that in two other
surnames in my ancestry lines. One was a "bastard" as shown by both DNA
results
and court records, and the other was apparently fathered by one of two
uncles or was an orphan fathered by a relative of those uncles who was given a
different last name. The latter threw a wrench into some assumptions.
Keep me posted. Thanks.
Gary
_gkcarson(a)aol.com_ (mailto:gkcarson@aol.com)
In a message dated 4/10/2009 10:43:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,
gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com writes:
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Gary:
Greetings, nice to here from a possible distant cousin.
I have used the DNA site for several years now and looked up DNA
explainations on other sites.
YES, I intend to do the test sometime in the not to distant future. Over
a couple of years I wasn't sure if I wanted my DNA floating out there on
public web sites. When I decided to do it I lost my job, so as soon as my
finacial situation turns around I will do the test.
I could not tell from the names you through out what DNA group you believe
you are part of, what is the Kit# you match - Like Thomas b1940 is C-3.
Do you understand there are two very distinct CARSON surname DNA groups in
existance, Western Europeon (R1)and Nordic (I2) and the two DNA's have to
go back 30,000 years to tie togeher. For you or others do not know, this
is the reason why:
R1 is decended from the original Celtic Tribes, the Carson surname comes
from the tribe of Mcpherson(sp)(not the tribe of Kerr like sometimes
misquoted)
I2 is decended from the Nordic, as in Vikings, as in Scandinavia
Thomas Carson b1740 is I2 DNA according to the sample submitted - that's
right to all who read this if your related to Thomas your DNA is not Scotish
it is Viking.
On the DNA web page the following kit # are Nordic = C3 C11 C12 C15 C21
C27 C33 all the others are Scotch/Irish
So how are we decident from an Irishman with Viking DNA, after much
research on Wikipeda and other sites.....this is the story.
In 800 A.D. Vikings invaded Ulster, Ireland and the entire north coast
east and west, Scotland, Wales and England. They established major cities
where some ruins remain today. For unknown reason about 1040 the Vikings as a
people abadoned all of these regions. Over the 240 years of occupation
some did interbred with native peoples. Obvisouly many of these mixed
individuals stayed in the native lands. As a result there is a smattering of I2
DNA throughout Northern Scotland, Wales, England and the most concentrate
out of Ireland.
Now in the West vs. Far East, surnames did not first occure until 1086
A.D., the first place they were recorded was in the English "Doomsday Book"
established by the King. So the surname Carson would have been taken or
assigned after the Vikings DNA already existed in the now, British Isles. Which
is how you have two very different DNA strains with the same surname from
the same geographic region.
So, if the reader did not already know this welcome to the Viking
Clan.....lol
Gary - another problem I run into that is frustrating, is how many Thomas
Carson's came here from Ireland. There may have been AT LEAST one other in
Washington Co., the about the same time as Thomas b1740. I also have
found at least three other Thomas Carson's in Lancaster County the same time or
earlier. And a Thomas Gibson Carson from 1710 from Ireland to the
Carolina's; which is really strange because Thomas has a grandson named Thomas
Gibson Carson b1794 who is directly in my line.
Name repitations sometimes makes this stuff messy. I have a G Grandfather
named Hiram Porter, thought it was an unusally name. The PA census from
the 1870 has 3 pages of Hiram Porter's, ugh. lol
Anyone can feel free to contact me jayfcarson(a)gmail.com
Gary take care.
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