Hi Martha,
Many thanks for the Bangs Carruthers Hodges et al database. You've got
some great stuff there, some of which Christine Tomlin uncovered back in
December, leading us to this Bangs - Carruthers connection. Let me paste the
15-20 lines from what she located below, in case there is something there
for you.
The revelation for us was that Content (Bangs) Carruthers (md John
Carruthers f/o Rocksolannah) was, assuming the info is as appears, a Bangs.
Bangs, of course, is a well researched New England family, see below. I'm
looking fwd to a week w/the Bangs collection of 60 boxes at Yale, and then a
few more weeks in NY & MA.
As you can see, another of Christine's revelations was:
"Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven
Co., NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the Carruthers deed
may be there too."
which coupled w/the John Carruthers will of 1751 w/Abiah Bangs, and all the
other connections, let the sun shine in, and matched your musings also, see
a copy of your database pasted below. Matching the seal would also be
valuable.
There was no 'Rouse' in either Bangs or Carruthers Archives - other
spellings not yet checked.
Your contact Judy Cole has been involved in this discussion.
You also spotted immed that the John Carruthers in the Abiah will was
different than the 1751 will John, altho I offered another thought to
Francis Hodges today.
You mention:
"Phoebe was probably a descendant of the Hopkins family who came over on the
Mayflower." I haven't yet checked that or Hopkins surname, but Edwd Bangs
avd 1623 on the Anne.
Much more to do in March.
Best
Barry
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Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, SMTomlin(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the "Anne", b dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as wife #2 ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah. Marriage took
place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the Carruthers deed
may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the Bangs and
Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in deep south
texas.
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's brother),
named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and Samuel
Withington
Christine
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And then Betty's follow on of some more familiar CD info:
Bettys January 2002 PROOFS:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:30:51 EST, BNOREM(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry,
I found the following will abstracts - don't know if you have them
already, but am sending them in case you don't.
Betty Norem
Source: Family Tree Maker CD #509 - Genealogical Records: NC Wills,
1665-1900
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760 p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS (my lot in Newbern Town).
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, oturney at law.
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William CARRUTHERS, Sr.
No probate.
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.
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From : Martha Marble <mmarble(a)erols.com
To :
Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject :
Re: Bangs Carruthers Hodges - Content (Bangs?) Carruthers
Date : Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:49:38 -0500
Attachment : BANGS.doc (42k)
Barry,
Have ya'll checked out the New York possible connection? I have never
followed up on this. My interest was the Rouse family whom I think were
from Rhode Island but can't prove it.
Martha
. . . . .
Took a VERY quick look at the books for Barnstable Co, Mass. No land records
and no wills - they must be somewhere else. To work in Mass records we need
someone to guide us otherwise would take a couple of months just to learn
where to go look for what.
I did not see the Carruthers name anywhere I looked. There was a index to a
book - not named - that I tried to find with no success. Appears it is an
old history of local families that goes way back to the first settlers.
There was a John Rouse listed and a couple of Rows and other possible
spellings but have no indication of the dates.
There is a VERY old History of the Bangs family at the DAR which is
extremely difficult to follow. Several things of interest.
1. the name Elkana runs through part of this family and a Freeman family in
the late 1600's and early 1700's. Never seen that name except associated
with the Loftin family
2. There was an early marriage with a Hatch family - names of James and
Benjamin - there was a Hatch family in Craven/Jones Co
3. There were several early marriages with the Sparrow family - names of
Isaac, Jonathan, Benjamin, Joshua,, Phebee, Solomon - there was an early
Sparrow family in Craven Co and the name Isaac shows up in it.
4. There are no Rouse or any spelling, Carruthers, but there is a Hedges
later in the 1700's. Names were Puritian names
5. The author of the book states that Jonathan Bang Jr son of Capt Edward -
b 1673 md 1st Elizabeth 2nd Experience Berrry - he d 1736 - will dated 3
Feb 1736/7 pro 17 March 1736 - daughters Mercy, Mary, Elizabeth, Thankful
Covell, sons Abner - not 21, John, James, Samuel, Elisha and Jonathan. Son
Jonathan received no land - only money. Son Jonathan b Dec 1798 - md Ruth
Bangs and they went to Putnam co, NY. He does not follow the line
6. The name Abiah as a male name shows up in the Bangs family in the 1600's.
I then went and pulled Putnum Co, NY records. Putnum Co at this time was
Duchess Co. Like Mass, there were no land records or wills - all wills
before 1779 or so in NY are in one place - somewhat like the Sec of State
records in NC. Did not have time to find them in the stacks. A
A Samuel Bangs did go from Mass to Duchess Co and stayed. Jonathan may have
gone for awhile and then moved to Craven co. Going to take getting into the
land records. What little I saw in Duchess Co, mostly histories and family
genealogies - there were Rouses both of that spelling and other spellings,
Hedges, but no Carruthers. Most of the Rouse and Hedges were the end of the
1700's.
Seems to me all this is worth following up after a lengthy lesson in Mass
records and New York records and I don't have time right now.
Martha:
Found these on a web site called "coastal carolina connections." I am
betting that this Jonathan was the son of the Massachusetts Jonathan Bangs
(1640-1728). As you can see, John Carruthers was his uncle, and Abiah Bangs
was his widow. He had a sister named Thankfull--a solid Puritan ring to it.
Since there is a coat of arms on the seal, it would be easy to compare it to
any NE coat of arms of the same family..
Am going to try to plot out the Craven relationships and then attempt to
connect them with what I can find on the Bangs from New England. There is
definitely a connection. If John Carruthers were Jonathan Bangs blood
uncle, then John's sister must have been Jonathan's mother.
BANGS, JONATHAN. Craven County. October 7, 1743. June 15, 1744. Wife: ABIAH.
Daughter: BETTY BANGS. Sister: THANKFULL COVELL. Executors: JOHN CARRUTHERS
(uncle), ABIAH BANGS (wife). Witnesses: FRANCIS BRINLEY, JNO. CARRUTHFRS,
Jo.
RD. HICKSON. Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE. Coat of arms on seal.
BANGS, ABIAH, widow Of JONATHAN. Craven County. June 3, 1755. Cousin:
ELIZABETH HOBBS ("my lot in Newbern Town"). Daughter: BETTY BANGS. Sisters:
ELIZABETH and MARY CARRUTHERS. Brothers: JOHN CARRUTHERS, WILLIAM
CARRUTHERS. Executors: WIL-LIAM CARRUTHERS (brother), ROBERT JONES, "oturney
at law." Witnesses: WILLIAM CREEKMORE, RUBIN HAMMONTREE, WILLIAM CARRUTHERS,
SR. No probate
Notice the Creekmore. The Creekmores and Hodges (have no idea if they were
my Hodges) were related in Norfolk County Va. in late 17th and early 18th
centuries. And John Carruthers' dght, married Francis Hodges, according to
his will.
Here is a message I just received from Judy Cole of Buffalo, NY, the Bangs
web site manager. Obviously, the Jonathan Bangs who left the 1743 will in
Craven is Jonathan #4 on her list, as she points out, who was born in 1707.
He must have written this will while only in his thirties. . The fact that
his sister, Thankful Covell, is mentioned in the will is proof that this is
the same Jonathan. He must have married Abiah (Carruthers?) after his
second wife's death.
Unfortunately, she can't help with the Carruthers or possible Rouse
connection.
FRH
Hi Francis,
>All of the Bangs family descend from Edward(1) who came to
Plymouth Colony
>in 1623.
>My database has the following:
>Edward Bangs(1)
>(Capt.) Jonathan Bangs(2)
>Jonathan Bangs, Jr.(3)
>Jonathan Bangs, Jr.(3) shows these children, among others,
with his first
>wife, Elizabeth __?___:
>Thankful Bangs(4), b. Feb. 1702, m. John Covell
>Jonathan Bangs(4), b. 1707 who I show married twice (1)
1727 to Ruth Bangs
>(probably a cousin since Bangs was her maiden as well as married name), and
>(2) 1732 to Phebe Hopkins.
Phoebe was probably a descendant of the Hopkins family who came over on the
Mayflower.
>This Jonathan(4) is surely the
Jonathan you mention who left a will in
>1743, but I do not have a record of his wife being Abiah. I expect, then,
>that he probably had a 3rd wife, Abiah, by the time of his will in 1743.
>The daughter Betty was probably an Elizabeth, named after her grandmother,
>Elizabeth who was married to Jonathan, Jr.(3).
>I checked my material for the Carruthers, Hodges and Hobbs
and didn't come
>up with anything, I am sorry to say. I also looked for Rouse/Rows and I
>don't have anything.
>As to why Bangs may have gone to North Carolina by the
eighteenth century,
>they could have gone for a variety of reasons - land availability
>(probably), or they were mariners and liked the Carolina coastal waters, or
>perhaps they were Quakers and were being persecuted in New England for
>that. Most Puritans didn't stay Puritan for long, they gradually moved out
>of New England and went many different ways and adopted Quakerism, became
>Congregationalists, Methodists, etc. I believe most left New England when
>towns became filled up and they needed to find land to settle on.
>Do you have a copy of the Jonathan Bangs will, 1743? If
so, let me know if
>you could send me a copy of that. I will pay your costs.
PLEASE keep in touch and let me know if you find your Bangs connection to be
positive. When you are ready, I would like to have you send me your lineage
as you discover it.
>Thanks, Francis. Let me know about the will.
>Judy
>Judy Cole
>47 Baitz Ave.
>Buffalo, NY 14206-2905
>jcole(a)buffnet.net
>http:\\<http://www.buffnet.net/~jcole>www.buffnet.net\~jcole
>On Saturday, March 27, 1999 9:44
AM, frhodges [SMTP:frhodges@gate.net]
>wrote:
>>Hello!
>
>>I saw your web site and thought that perhaps you could
help me.
>
>>I have discovered a branch of the Bangs family from
which I may be
>>descended, and I wonder if you have any information on it. This branch
>>settled in Craven County, NC (the New Bern area) probably in the 1730's
>or
>>1740's. A Jonathan Bangs left a will there in `1743 in which he mentions
>>his widow, Abiah Bangs; a daughter, Betty Bangs; an uncle, John
>>Carruthers;
>>and a sister, Thankfull Covell (the name Thankfull has a Puritan ring to
>>it, which is why I thought of a possible New England origin for the
>>family).
>
>>In 1751, John Carruthers left a will which Abiah Bangs
witnessed. John
>>mentions a wife named Content (also a Puritan ring), He also mentions
>>several children and in-laws, including a son-in-law, Francis Hodges, who
>>is my ancestor.
>
>>In 1755.Abiah Bangs left a will also in Craven County
and mentioned a
>>daughter, Betty Bangs, a cousin , Elizabeth Hobbs; and brothers and
>sisters Elizabeth, Mary, and John Caruthers (obviously a different John
>that the one who died in 1751).
>
>>I am wondering if this Jonathan Bangs could have
perhaps been the son or
>>grandson of Captain Jonathan Bangs (1640-1728) of Massachusetts? Do you
>>have the line from his son, Jonathan? I could not find it on your site.
>>And also--what would have brought these Puritans to the Carolina
>tidewater in the early eighteenth century?
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