Hi again W'ton Males & Wton blood females (and those Surname lines that are
genealogically thought to be associated thereto), and those who have the power to
persuade a W'ton brother, father, GFather, or W'ton blood cousin or uncle to fork
over $100 for a genealogical test sample via a simple mouth cotton swab to be mailed in,
if you are interested in a possibility of 'solving' to a near 100% your family
paternal ancestry, this is the time, place, and opportunity to participate.
Just below are the 'final' answers to many/ most/ all of our questions. It is
now time to fish or stick to cutting up the genealogical bait for others. If you are
interested in your family history, this is a quantum leap over any of the other methods we
presently use to establish our paternal bloodlines. Altho I'm not sure how the DAR
handles dna proofs, it is approaching near certainty that dna proofs are FAR more accurate
in establishing bllod lines - BUT, the more samples the better, a general truism for all
of science.
As far as I can tell, after a few years of discussions (you will find a significant
number of RootsWeb List messages in the Archives of 'our' Lists posted by me, and
others, that discuss dna testing), the time and circumstances have arrived to move
forward. As for the consequences, understand that each single sample is potentially of
near dispositive effect, ie one single (repitition purposeful) sample could open, or
close, one genealogical surname line for may others, not just for the sampled participant.
Granted, if you do not participate right now, and as much as it disappoints me to say so,
because it might cause some of you to defer participating now, you may still be able to do
so in the future, altho mass consumer testing is unlikely, especially in the near term,
because testing is a one-on-one process.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/elliott_border_rei...
If you are convinced, as am I, you can proceed directly to the 'Join up' web
page at:
http://www.familytreedna.com/surname_join.asp?code=K58255
where you can apply online, the test kit will be shipped next day (& I presume you
return it with your check for $99, or more if you wish more information, altho that can
also be done on an 'upgrade' basis later), which I will be doing very soon!
Barry
Barry Wetherington
PO Box 1208
Birmingham MIch 48012
cbarrfly(a)comcast.net
248-563-2577
ReiverDNAprojectAnswrs
Barry,
In answer to your questions.
1) Once you join our group, you are a full-fledged customer at Family Tree DNA. You will
have full access to your DNA results, and may use them for any purpose that you choose.
2) You will have to pay for upgrades from 12 to 25, 12 to 37 or 25 to 37 Y-DNA markers,
but you will not have to pay for anything more. Family Tree DNA does not force you to
take any more tests. Nor are there any recurring costs. FTDNA will keep your data on
file for twenty years free of charge.
3) The DNA results are confidential. You will see them, and I - as the Group
Administrator - will see them. No one else. Your results will, of course, be included on
our data tables, but you will be identified there only by your Ysearch ID number and your
surname. You will have full access to your Ysearch record - which generally stores the
name and place of origin of your earliest known ancestor - and can control what goes into
it.
4) The DNA markers used for Y chromosome testing have no medical significance whatsoever.
Even if an insurance company got hold of them (which they couldn't), they wouldn't
know what to do with them.
5) Wives of Wetherington males can enroll their husbands on their behalf.
6) The data on my web sites is as correct as I can make it, although the data gleaned from
public databases is sometimes entered by the owner of the DNA profile by hand, thus
introducing the possibility of human error. Data from official participants, however,
will always be correct, because I can check it against the source.
7) You will be notified of even just close matches with other participants, and will be
free to discuss the results among yourselves to your hearts' content.
Sincerely,
Jim Elliott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
To: "James V. Elliott" jvance(a)tiac.net
Cc: "Fitchett-L" <fitchett-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Easterling-L"
<Easterling-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Dare-L" <dare-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
"Cleverly-L"
<CLEVERLY-l(a)rootsweb.com>; "Carruthers-L"
<carruthers-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
"Binkes-L" <Binkes-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Batson-L"
<Batson-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
"Bangs-L" <bangs-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Weatherton-L"
<weatherington-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "WEDDINGTON-L"
<WEDDINGTON-L(a)RootsWeb.com>;
"Wetherton-L" <WETHERTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Weth-L"
<wetherington-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Widd-L"
<widdrington-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
"With-L" <Witherington-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "BarryCast"
<cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>;
<withington-L(a)rootsweb.com>; <wethington-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: Border Reiver DNA Project Seeking W'ton Participants
Hi James V Elliott, Group Administrator, Elliott (And Border Reivers) DNA Project
GREAT IDEA!:
"DNA Project Seeking Witherington Participants," see excerpt below, & I
will post & endorse it to mine & other various W'ton-L Lists.
( I also host the Carruthers-L List, and ask if they should also be considered, even
though it was not listed on your website. By copy of this msg, I ask our very
knowledgeable Carruthers members if they feel support would be appropriate. I thought the
Carruthers WERE quite active 'Reivers.')
I did go to your website:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm
but while Witherington WAS listed, Carruthers was not.
Also, following the discussion outline on your site, specifically the name & US
migration pattern variations, the Witheringtons that migrated towards the states you
listed, are likely now carrying surname variations of Withington & Wethington and more
than 40 other W'ton variations we all have been subjected to (mine is Wetherington):
"3) If the ancestor lived in a state whose earliest settlers from Great Britain with
"Border" names came largely from Ulster (e.g., North Carolina, Tennessee,
Kentucky), "Scotch-Irish-USA" was assigned as "Place of
Origin"."
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7egallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm
More to come later, but want to get this off ASAP.
Barry Wetherington
PS: Of course, The Witherington Derwentwaters poem (continued to fight on
his leg stumps) is quite well known.
----- Original Message -----
From: <jvance(a)tiac.net>
To: <WITHERINGTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 2:00 PM
Subject: [Witherington] Border Reiver DNA Project Is Seeking Witherington
Participants
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: WITHERINGTON
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/GFXBAIB/53
Message Board Post:
Hello,
If you are an adult male paternally descended from the Anglo-Scottish Border family
Witherington, and have ever considered getting your Y chromosome tested, you may do so at
a substantial discount by joining the Border Reiver DNA Project at Family Tree DNA.
The Border Reiver DNA Project is a serious genetic and genealogical study started this
March by two customers of Family Tree DNA, James V. Elliott and David B. Strong. Although
it began as a study of the Elliott Border Reiver family, it has since expanded to include
members of other Border Reiver families, including a direct descendant of the legendary
Border Reiver, Johnnie Armstrong, a senior officer of the Clan Hall Society, Dixons,
Irvings, Kerrs, Littles, Taylors, Carruthers, Davisons, Ogles, Hunters and others. Members
of all Border Reiver families are welcome now, and we emphatically encourage your
participation.
The home page for our study, which includes many links to other web pages about the
Scots, the Britons, the Border Reivers and their ancestors, may be accessed at the URL
below:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/elliott_border_reive...
We are conducting our study of the Border Reiver families using Y chromosome DNA markers,
because the Y chromosome is passed, just like a surname, from father to son with very few
changes over many generations. That makes these DNA markers an ideal tool for tracing
paternal descent and, by extension, the history of families.
The goals of the Border Reiver DNA Project are as follows:
1) James Leyburn, in his excellent book "The Scotch-Irish: A Social History",
characterized the ancestry of the Anglo-Scottish Border people as a diverse mixture of
Picts, Brythonic Celts, Scotti, Irish Gaels, both Danish and Norwegian Vikings, Angles and
Saxons, troops and settlers from all over the Roman Empire - as well as Normans, Flemish
and many others. We intend to use Y chromosome analysis to explore the ancestral origin of
Border Reiver descendants, both individually (if we can) and as a group. We have already
done substantial reading about both the history of Europe and the latest developments in
population genetics, and have compiled a database of more than 350 likely Border Reiver
descendants obtained from public databases at Family Tree DNA and elsewhere.
The URL below will give you some idea of the extent of our ongoing study:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/dna_by_haplogroup.htm
2) The Border Reivers rode during a period of extreme chaos in the history of the
Anglo-Scottish Border. any young mothers were widowed, and many children were orphaned.
The social customs of the Reivers, affected by a need for self-reliance and the shifting
circumstances of the era, favored trial marriages, and allowed even married women to keep
their surnames. The larger Border Reiver clans themselves were like tribes or military
units as much as families, and many born with different surnames joined these clans for
protection, eventually assuming the clan surname as their own. As a consequence of all
these factors, Border Reiver descendants are to this day closely interrelated. Many with
different surnames share the same ancestors, and many with the same surname are descended
from genetically distinct paternal lines. Our DNA Project seeks to determine the
relationships among these descendants, both on an individual and a family level.
The URL below will give you some idea of the families already included in our study:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gallgaedhil/dna_by_surname.htm
The group rate for joining the Border Reiver DNA Project is 99 USD for a 12 marker Y
chromosome test, or 169 USD for a 25 marker test. The 12 marker test easily suffices to
determine your "deep ancestry", and can provide enough data to suggest a shared
paternal ancestry within the last 14 or 15 generations. The 25 marker test, more favored
by DNA genealogists, can identify a shared paternal ancestry within the last 7
generations.
These group rates represent a substantial savings over the cost of joining Family Tree
alone. For instance, the cost of getting the 12 marker test is nearly 40 percent less than
what I paid for the same test last summer. Once you join our group, you will have full
privileges as a Family Tree DNA customer. Family Tree DNA will store your genetic material
with absolute privacy and security for twenty years, and will publish information about
your Y chromosome markers, their likely ethnic origin, and the e-mail addresses of exact
matches, on your own personal, password-protected web
page. In addition, all other
DNA tests you wish to order will be available to you at a considerable discount.
Despite the foregoing discussion of cost, this is a serious study, not a commercial
venture. If you are interested in joining us, or would simply like more info, please
contact James V. Elliott at jvance(a)tiac.net.
Sincerely,
James V. Elliott
Group Administrator
Elliott (And Border Reivers) DNA Project
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James V. Elliott" <jvance(a)tiac.net>
To: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>; "Weth-L"
<wetherington-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Wetherton-L"
<WETHERTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
"WEDDINGTON-L" <WEDDINGTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Weatherton-L"
<weatherington-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Widd-L"
<widdrington-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
<WITHERINGTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>; <Wethington-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
<Withington-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Cc: "BarryCast" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>; "Carruthers-L"
<carruthers-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2004 10:43 PM
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: Border Reiver DNA Project Seeking W'ton
Participants