Hi Vam, (& all Carruthers & Bangs researchers, altho I'm not copying the
Bangs-L List. They suggested they were a bit overwhelmed by our input and
wanted some time to think it through.)
We had an enthusiastic online discussion over a period of a few months,
Jan-Feb with some of the Bangs-L List, all of us I hope trying to determine
whether there were significant Gen connections between the Lists. The
instigating issue was, as I recall, some research done by Christine, emailed
back in Dec, a copy of her msg is below.
I eventually posted a few messages, similar to this one, attempting to
marshal the arguments for just this issue - in fact, below are some of those
such messages, followed by more of them.
Later, Bitsy, Betty & others also brought other [of a number of similars]
sources to bear, copied way below. This isn't easy to follow, but it's pure
& fruitful research, better than sitting in a library all afternoon and
being skunked, which I'm sure has happened to us all.
I would have sworn we had copied you, but I'll post some of those
messages, and then you'll have most of what we saw; in return for which, I
hope you'll give us your analytical thoughts and informed conclusions.
If this post doesn't serve your purpose, go back into the Carruthers &
Bangs archives and follow the messages, which is quite easy at:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/CARRUTHERS/2002-02
We'll anxiously await your views.
Barry
====================
"From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Jon Bangs Mystery;
ancestry.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:52 -0800
Hi Bangs and other interested researchers,
I hope someone will be able to solve this mystery of whether there was an
Edwd Bangs' descendant Jonathan Bangs who md an Abiah (perhaps, as the
research suggests, a Carruthers) and that Jon had a sister (perhaps Content)
who also md a Carruthers (perhaps John, f/o Rocksolannah md John
Witherington).
----------
- Edwd Bangs' (arrived on the Anne to Mass. 1623) descendant (SON?)
Jonathan md Abiah Carruthers,
- John Carruthers (bro of Abiah) md Content Bangs (sis of Jonathan)
- Rocksolannah Carruthers md John Witherington s/o Robt Widdrington d 1722
w/will md Elizabeth Dare" [End of this msg]
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Content Bangs genealogy
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:41:18 -0800
Hi,
We are in the middle of a controversy re: whether there was a 'Content
Bangs' md John Carruthers. We show:
-----------------
Jonathan Bangs, dec of Edwd Bangs to MA 1623 on the "Anne"
b dec 1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass" Barnstable Co MA
md #2 ABIAH CARRUTHERS s/of John Carruthers f/of Rocksolanah.
Md MA John Carruthers md CONTENT BANGS s/of Jonathan.
-----------------
My 'Line' is:
1 Robt Widdrington/Witherington d 1722 w/will md Eliz Dare
2 John Witherington b1703 md Rocksolannah Carruthers b abt 1720
[d/o John Carruthers md Content (Bangs)]
My GGGG Gm Rocksolannah Carruthers' father John md Content Bangs, or at
least this is what we show. The well developed Bangs genealogy does not have
this connection.
Your Gen site:
http://www.reimert.org/genealogy/database/index.htm
is one of few that makes ref to a 'Content Bangs,' apparently having been in
your database from prior to the 'controversy' that has been raised. While I
know this seems to be a relatively isolated link in your database, I was
wondering if you might have any information to assist us to determine
whether your Content Bangs might be useful to this discussion.
TIA for your consideration and whatever assistance you may provide.
Barry Wetherington
PS: More info below FYI.
==================
Hi All Bangs, Carruthers, Dare, Witherington, Widdrington and other
associated family researchers;
In an attempt to answer some queries and to provide all of the NEW
"Bangs - Carruthers Evidence" 'proofs' in one short easy to read
message, I
am pasting below the new proofs, discovered in the last month or so,
consisting primarily of Christine's December evidence developed in her local
library in Texas, and then Betty's supporting evidence posted later in
January.
The analyses of these proofs have been contained in a number of messages
sent by many co-operating researchers in the last month, and there have been
many other relevant posts over the years, BUT, for purposes of the requested
NEW 'Proofs', at least as I see them, this is IT!
Christines Dec 2001 PROOFS:
_________________
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, SMTomlin(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the "Anne", b dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as wife #2 ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah. Marriage took
place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the Carruthers deed
may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the Bangs and
Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in deep south
texas.
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's brother),
named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and Samuel
Withington
Christine
___________________________________________________
===================================================
Bettys January 2002 PROOFS:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:30:51 EST, BNOREM(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry, I found the following will abstracts - don't know if you have them
already, but am sending them in case you don't.
Betty Norem
=============
Source:
Family Tree Maker CD #509 - Genealogical Records: NC Wills, 1665-1900
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760
p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS (my lot in Newbern Town).
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, oturney at law.
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William CARRUTHERS, Sr.
No probate.
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.
_____________________
=====================
Good Hunting!
Barry Wetherington
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==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Edwd BANGS avd 1623 1591-1677 Carruthers
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 23:08:56 -0800
Hi Maureen, [and all Bangs researchers on the List]
The only Bangs of whom we had ever been aware is Abiah Bangs, and up pops
Content (Bangs) md one of 'our' Carruthers:
- Edwd Bangs (arrived on the Anne to Mass. 1623) and his descendant (SON?)
Jonathan Bangs md Abiah Carruthers,
- John Carruthers (bro of Abiah) md Content Bangs (sis of Jon)
- Rocksolannah Carruthers md John Witherington s/o Robt
Widdrington(e)/Witherington d 1722 md Elizabeth Dare
And so, in one incredibly packed message/exchange, we joined the Bangs
family at an early time, w/no known present/recent connections.
While we have all been aware that there was a possible, even suspected,
Bangs connection, because of the prominence played by the Bangs in the lives
of Carruthers/Wtons (and how significant does that witness to the John
Carruthers 1751 will by the name of Abiah Bangs look now!!!), we've been
busy doing gen, but not much Bangs Gen, so we are not knowledgeable of any
present Bangs Gen.
However, I'm posting this to the Bangs-L List, in case someone can
assist.
Good luck,
Barry
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Abiah Caruthers md Jon Bangs Ed BANGS 1591-1677
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 09:06:20 -0800
Hello Anne Gault, Jacksonville, Florida, (My GF's home),
Thank you very much for the Jonathan b & d dates and location, and other
valuable to us information, which is very helpful. I can't tell to whom your
note is addressed, but, at the risk of being presumptuous, and since in
recent messages to the Bangs List, I have copied and pasted a great deal of
information, I will respond.
You mention children of Jonathan. Is there info avail to determine which
wife bore them, how many, or names? It isn't totally clear to me if it was
made clear in our message, and this is recent and as yet not fully
documented, but I don't think we are claiming 'our' Jonathan was Edwd's
son,
rather the research suggests he was a descendant of Edwd. That could account
for the discrepancy in wives you point out. We have not yet made a
determination of descendancy. Have you or other Bangs representatives known
to you had the opportunity to review the extensive Yale Library Bangs
records? I would guess there are refs to children, spouses, dates,
locations, etc there, which might clear up this discrepancy. Mass. is a bit
far for Christine (Texas) and myself (CA), but we do hope to review the Yale
info one day.
We did post Christine's research info and refs, hoping researchers, such
as yourself, could expand, for which thanks. JIC you were not able to locate
her notes, I've re-reproduced them below, entitled 'Sources of research.
However, we encourage someone near to the site to pick up from where
Christine exited with what was, for us, some epiphanic results, particularly
considering we were not previously focused on the Bangs surname.
Again, thanks Anne and we look fwd to more Bangs/Carruthers/W'ton
synergistic research results.
Barry Wetherington
-----------------------------
Sources of research:
While the info has been accumulated here, most of it in this single message,
it has NOT yet been consolidated or evaluated - please, someone take a look
at this very useful info! bw
PPS: This message/info also to the Lists.
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, Christine wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the "Anne", b dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as wife #2 ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah. Marriage took
place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the Carruthers deed
may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the Bangs and
Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in deep south
texas.
The libs. down here [Houston] cant offer any more that what I dug up. so I
guess sic the W'ton researchers on to this!
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's brother),
named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and Samuel
Withington
Christine
-----------------------------
From: Grammgault(a)aol.com
To: BANGS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [BANGS] Edwd BANGS avd 1623 1591-1677 Carruthers
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:17:31 EST
Hi All,
I do not have an Abiah Caruthers m. to Jonathan Bangs in my card index and
would like to know more as far as dates go. The only son of Edward Bangs
who had children was Jonathan. He was m. 3 times according to what I have
to a Mary Mayo, Sarah______, and Ruth Cole Young. Jonathan was b. c. 1640
at Plymouth and d. 9 November 1728 at Brewster, Barnstable co., Mass. I
welcome any corrections and new info. Thanks, Anne Gault, Jacksonville,
Florida
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Jon Bangs Mystery;
ancestry.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:52 -0800
Hi Bangs and other interested researchers,
I hope someone will be able to solve this mystery of whether there was an
Edwd Bangs' descendant Jonathan Bangs who md an Abiah (perhaps, as the
research suggests, a Carruthers) and that Jon had a sister (perhaps Content)
who also md a Carruthers (perhaps John, f/o Rocksolannah md John
Witherington).
----------
- Edwd Bangs' (arrived on the Anne to Mass. 1623) descendant (SON?)
Jonathan md Abiah Carruthers,
- John Carruthers (bro of Abiah) md Content Bangs (sis of Jonathan)
- Rocksolannah Carruthers md John Witherington s/o Robt Widdrington d 1722
w/will md Elizabeth Dare
----------
Meantime, below are some Jons on
ancestry.com which I won't have the
opportunity to dig into.
Best,
Barry
FYI,
BW
Ancestry.com Jonathan Bangs
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nativesoil&cres=33;31%2...
Document Number: 1001
Type of Manuscript: Property Deed
Location(s): Bridgewater, Massachusetts
Year: 1726
Contains the following Names: Thomas Whitman, Isaac Harris, Jonathan Bap,
Benjamin Allen, Jonathan Bangs
Comments: A land deed from 1726 describing a sale in which two partners,
Isaac Harris and Jonathan Bap, pruchased a piece of land from Thomas
Whitman. What's most interesting is, the land described herein contains not
only a saw mill, but a GIN MILL! This deed is also interesting for the fact
that, next to the signatures of Whitman, et al., there are three circles
instead of the usual wax seals. Nice document, with some unusual
circumstances surrounding its origins.
Order document
------------------
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=graves&cres=33;31%2c34;...
Abstract of Graves of Revolutionary Patriots
Viewing records 1-1 of 1 Matches
Name Cemetery Location Reference
BANGS, Jonathan Cem nr railroad, South Dennis MA 50 Abstract of Graves of
Revolutionary Patriots, Vol.1, p. Serial: 11507; Volume: 6
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&gst=35&cres=3...
Search Results: Jonathan Bangs = Member Database
Your search returned 39 hits in the databases below. Subscribe today to
access all of these results.
Census Records matches | info
1800 United States Federal Census 1
1810 United States Federal Census 2
1820 United States Federal Census 2
1830 United States Federal Census 4
1840 United States Federal Census 3
1850 United States Federal Census 2
Barnstable County Massachusetts 1855 Census 1
Connecticut Census, 1790-1890 1
Maine Census, 1800-90 8
Massachusetts Census, 1790-1890 11
New York Census, 1790-1890 2
North Carolina Census, 1790-1890 1
Rhode Island Census, 1740-1890 1
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Bangs/Carruthers Content
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:33:11 -0800
Thanks Judy,
I have been communicating w/Deborah - and others - tring to nail this
down. I actually thought I had recently copied you and everyone else on the
planet on some of that. I'm still struggling w/the missing 'Content' Bangs.
We've known about Content for yrs, just never had her maiden name until
Christine worked her magic, reinforced by Betty <BNOREM(a)aol.com>'s work,
copied. I suspect Deb is just covering all bases.
You do have a great Bangs' website.
Barry
La Jolla CA
PS: In fact, I just rec'd some more email help from Jan, clearing up the
Really Big J Bangs mystery:
---------------
From: "Jan McChesney" <jan.mcchesney(a)celebration.fl.us
Reply-To: CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com
To: CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Jon Bangs Mystery;
ancestry.com
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 18:15:29 -0500
Dear Barry: I believe that you are in another country..New Zealand is it?
Well, anyway..as a Caruthers I was reading your message...and had to tell
you: In America a Gin Mill was a mill that processed cotton ...not served
Gin! Hope that clears it up a bit...
"Type of Manuscript: Property Deed; Location(s): Bridgewater, Massachusetts
Year: 1726; Jonathan Bangs Comments: A land deed from 1726 describing a sale
of land: What's most interestig is, the land described herein contains not
only a saw mill, but a GIN MILL!
---------------
From: "Judith E. Cole" <jcole(a)buffnet.net
To: <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject:
FW: Bangs/Carruthers
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:06:31 -0500
Barry,
I am forwarding the following message to you. You know so much about the
Bangs-Caruthers connection. I hope you will respond.
Judy Cole, Buffalo, NY
(I guess we're lucky email can penetrate snow, huh?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Deborah [mailto:cricket1@door.net]
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 3:41 PM
To: jcole(a)buffnet.net
Subject: Bangs/Carruthers
Hi I am Deborah Carothers my 5th GGrandfather was John Carruthers I have
found that he was married to Contents Bangs and that Jonathan Bangs was
married to Abiah Carruthers do you have any infromation on this ?
Deborah
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Bio "Content Bangs" Ancestry's AGBI
Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:28:10 -0800
Hi Jean &/or all,
There is one "Content Bangs" in Ancestry's:
"American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) 1"
I'll be resubing Ancestry in a couple months, but can someone access this
now, to see what Bio she occupies.
Barry
http://www.rootsweb.com
http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gl=allgs&acat=,0,33,&c...
Search Results: Content Bangs = Subscription Required (Sign Up!)
Featured Databases matches info
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American Genealogical-Biographical Index (AGBI) 1 ****
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Bangs Carruthers Hodges - Content (Bangs?) Carruthers
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:06:44 -0800
I remember your messages well Mr Hodges, and your gracious content donations
are well represented in the RootsWeb Lists & web content (F Hodges message
is below, his later response is incorporated in all caps),
=====================================
From: Francis Hodges <frhodges42(a)yahoo.com
To:
cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Bangs/Carruthers families
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:53:36 -0800 (PST)
Hi!
We've corresponded before. I am descended from John Carruthers (d. 1752)
through the Hodges connection (I think!)
Has Content, John's wife, been definitively proved as a Bangs?
Something else which is confusing: Abiah Bangs claims she is the sister of
John Carruthers in her 1755 will.
Yet John had been dead about three years by the time that will was
written. So why is he mentioned as her brother? I am wondering if it might
not have been a John from a different generation.
Thanks!
Francis R. Hodges
(discussed further below bw)
=====================================
In my opinion, Content's surname of Bangs has been about 80-85%
established. It is probably up to the Bangs &/or Carruthers Lists to place
the final imprimatur, since they are well populated and motivated Lists, but
I'm rather satisfied.
Christine Tomlin (copied), who conducted this epiphanic research,
suggested, somewhat offhand, that Covel/l might also be a maiden surname
candidate for Content.
=========
IF THE BANGS AND CARRUTHERS CAME FROM NEW ENGLAND, I AM NATURALLY INCLINED
TO WONDER IF SOME OF THE OTHER FAMILIES MENTIONED IN JOHN'S 1751 WILL DID
NOT COME FROM THERE AS WELL fh
Francis, It is perceptive of you to focus on the New England aspect of
this research, because that was one of Christine's primary insights, as you
will see in her approx 15-20 lines of research report in the messages you
can Browse in the Archives (see below)- few of us were looking outside of
the mid-Atlantic belt for clues, although Jean had spent some time also up
there, but I don't think focusing on Carruthers.
==========
Have you had the opportunity to review the evidence? As a well respected
historical researcher, your informed opinion could count for much.
WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE? I VISITED THE BANGS SITE ON "GEN FORUM," BUT
COULDN'T FIND MUCH.
The evidence is all rather neatly contained in a few messages, mostly
last month (Jan) that also quoted earlier relevant messages, in the
Archives. I suspect either Bangs-L or Carruther-L Archives (you might find
it easier to 'Browse' the January messages - The subject line should alert
you) have essentially the same thing:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/b/bangs.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/c/carruthers.html
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/witherington.html
==========
As for the Abiah will of 1755 naming bro John, while that does introduce
a note of uncertainty, let me inquire - did Abiah revoke an earlier will?
Sometimes, a person might have an earlier will, for example here, in which
the brother was alive, and just not want to remove his name in the
subsequent codicil - perhaps to not appear to be disloyal. Just a thought,
but as the King of Siam said, "a puzzlement"! If you have some suggested
approaches, please let us know. If I had the opportunity, I'd love to spend
a week going through Yale's 60 boxes of Bangs memorabilia.
NOT THAT I KNOW OF. I THINK THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE JOHN CARRUTHERS IN
CRAVEN IN THE MID 18TH CENTURY--OUR JOHN, HIS SON, AND POSSIBLY A NEPHEW.
===============
Francis, I do want to post this to the Lists. Perhaps someone can use
this to follow up on our Content Bangs Thread, in case there are still
outstanding issues that need clearing up.
Would you mind if I posted this message (including yours) to the Bangs,
Carruthers & W'ton et al Lists?
BY ALL MEANS--PLEASE DO POST IT.
========
Best,
Barry Wetherington
La Jolla CA
PS: Please allow me to digress a moment - did you follow our discussion with
Harold Smith of a couple years ago? He did agree that his early
(1600s-1700s) American ancestors Walter & son Richd? Smith, both MD state
officials [Atty General(s) I seem to recall], did fit into 'our'
Carruthers/Witherington, Dare, Easterling, Fitchett, Smith Tree. What was
your assessment of that view. (There was a terrible scandal involved in one
of the relationships of that period). Our Mike Smolek is Director of the MD
~Jefferson Historical Park, near St Mary's, and his office looks out on the
prior homes of Richd & Walter Smith, which his staff has and is still
excavating.
DIDN'T FOLLOW IT.
=============
PPS: Have you had the opportunity to visit w/our Jean Witherington (copied),
mentioned above, living in St Cloud FL? She is our Lists' official
'Historian'.
PPPS: In case you don't know, Robt D Dare died recently. He WAS the Dares,
and shared willingly w/us! Have you heard from Henry Easterling in the last
couple yrs?
==========================
CARRUTHERS-L Archives
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Bangs Carruthers Hodges - Content (Bangs?)
Carruthers
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 21:33:25 -0800
Hi Martha,
Many thanks for the Bangs Carruthers Hodges et al database. You've got
some great stuff there, some of which Christine Tomlin uncovered back in
December, leading us to this Bangs - Carruthers connection. Let me paste the
15-20 lines from what she located below, in case there is something there
for you.
The revelation for us was that Content (Bangs) Carruthers (md John
Carruthers f/o Rocksolannah) was, assuming the info is as appears, a Bangs.
Bangs, of course, is a well researched New England family, see below. I'm
looking fwd to a week w/the Bangs collection of 60 boxes at Yale, and then a
few more weeks in NY & MA.
As you can see, another of Christine's revelations was:
"Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven
Co., NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the Carruthers deed
may be there too."
which coupled w/the John Carruthers will of 1751 w/Abiah Bangs, and all the
other connections, let the sun shine in, and matched your musings also, see
a copy of your database pasted below. Matching the seal would also be
valuable.
There was no 'Rouse' in either Bangs or Carruthers Archives - other
spellings not yet checked.
Your contact Judy Cole has been involved in this discussion.
You also spotted immed that the John Carruthers in the Abiah will was
different than the 1751 will John, altho I offered another thought to
Francis Hodges today.
You mention:
"Phoebe was probably a descendant of the Hopkins family who came over on the
Mayflower." I haven't yet checked that or Hopkins surname, but Edwd Bangs
avd 1623 on the Anne.
Much more to do in March.
Best
Barry
=============================
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, SMTomlin(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the "Anne", b dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as wife #2 ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah. Marriage took
place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the Carruthers deed
may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the Bangs and
Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in deep south
texas.
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's brother),
named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and Samuel
Withington
Christine
___________________________________________________
===================================================
And then Betty's follow on of some more familiar CD info:
Bettys January 2002 PROOFS:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:30:51 EST, BNOREM(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry,
I found the following will abstracts - don't know if you have them
already, but am sending them in case you don't.
Betty Norem
Source: Family Tree Maker CD #509 - Genealogical Records: NC Wills,
1665-1900
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760 p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS (my lot in Newbern Town).
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, oturney at law.
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William CARRUTHERS, Sr.
No probate.
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.
=============================
From : Martha Marble <mmarble(a)erols.com>
To : Barry
Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject :
Re: Bangs Carruthers Hodges - Content (Bangs?) Carruthers
Date : Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:49:38 -0500
Attachment : BANGS.doc (42k)
Barry,
Have ya'll checked out the New York possible connection? I have never
followed up on this. My interest was the Rouse family whom I think were
from Rhode Island but can't prove it.
Martha
. . . . .
Took a VERY quick look at the books for Barnstable Co, Mass. No land records
and no wills - they must be somewhere else. To work in Mass records we need
someone to guide us otherwise would take a couple of months just to learn
where to go look for what.
I did not see the Carruthers name anywhere I looked. There was a index to a
book - not named - that I tried to find with no success. Appears it is an
old history of local families that goes way back to the first settlers.
There was a John Rouse listed and a couple of Rows and other possible
spellings but have no indication of the dates.
There is a VERY old History of the Bangs family at the DAR which is
extremely difficult to follow. Several things of interest.
1. the name Elkana runs through part of this family and a Freeman family in
the late 1600's and early 1700's. Never seen that name except associated
with the Loftin family
2. There was an early marriage with a Hatch family - names of James and
Benjamin - there was a Hatch family in Craven/Jones Co
3. There were several early marriages with the Sparrow family - names of
Isaac, Jonathan, Benjamin, Joshua,, Phebee, Solomon - there was an early
Sparrow family in Craven Co and the name Isaac shows up in it.
4. There are no Rouse or any spelling, Carruthers, but there is a Hedges
later in the 1700's. Names were Puritian names
5. The author of the book states that Jonathan Bang Jr son of Capt Edward -
b 1673 md 1st Elizabeth 2nd Experience Berrry - he d 1736 - will dated 3
Feb 1736/7 pro 17 March 1736 - daughters Mercy, Mary, Elizabeth, Thankful
Covell, sons Abner - not 21, John, James, Samuel, Elisha and Jonathan. Son
Jonathan received no land - only money. Son Jonathan b Dec 1798 - md Ruth
Bangs and they went to Putnam co, NY. He does not follow the line
6. The name Abiah as a male name shows up in the Bangs family in the 1600's.
I then went and pulled Putnum Co, NY records. Putnum Co at this time was
Duchess Co. Like Mass, there were no land records or wills - all wills
before 1779 or so in NY are in one place - somewhat like the Sec of State
records in NC. Did not have time to find them in the stacks. A
A Samuel Bangs did go from Mass to Duchess Co and stayed. Jonathan may have
gone for awhile and then moved to Craven co. Going to take getting into the
land records. What little I saw in Duchess Co, mostly histories and family
genealogies - there were Rouses both of that spelling and other spellings,
Hedges, but no Carruthers. Most of the Rouse and Hedges were the end of the
1700's.
Seems to me all this is worth following up after a lengthy lesson in Mass
records and New York records and I don't have time right now.
Martha:
Found these on a web site called "coastal carolina connections." I am
betting that this Jonathan was the son of the Massachusetts Jonathan Bangs
(1640-1728). As you can see, John Carruthers was his uncle, and Abiah Bangs
was his widow. He had a sister named Thankfull--a solid Puritan ring to it.
Since there is a coat of arms on the seal, it would be easy to compare it to
any NE coat of arms of the same family..
Am going to try to plot out the Craven relationships and then attempt to
connect them with what I can find on the Bangs from New England. There is
definitely a connection. If John Carruthers were Jonathan Bangs blood
uncle, then John's sister must have been Jonathan's mother.
BANGS, JONATHAN. Craven County. October 7, 1743. June 15, 1744. Wife: ABIAH.
Daughter: BETTY BANGS. Sister: THANKFULL COVELL. Executors: JOHN CARRUTHERS
(uncle), ABIAH BANGS (wife). Witnesses: FRANCIS BRINLEY, JNO. CARRUTHFRS,
Jo.
RD. HICKSON. Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE. Coat of arms on seal.
BANGS, ABIAH, widow Of JONATHAN. Craven County. June 3, 1755. Cousin:
ELIZABETH HOBBS ("my lot in Newbern Town"). Daughter: BETTY BANGS. Sisters:
ELIZABETH and MARY CARRUTHERS. Brothers: JOHN CARRUTHERS, WILLIAM
CARRUTHERS. Executors: WIL-LIAM CARRUTHERS (brother), ROBERT JONES, "oturney
at law." Witnesses: WILLIAM CREEKMORE, RUBIN HAMMONTREE, WILLIAM CARRUTHERS,
SR. No probate
Notice the Creekmore. The Creekmores and Hodges (have no idea if they were
my Hodges) were related in Norfolk County Va. in late 17th and early 18th
centuries. And John Carruthers' dght, married Francis Hodges, according to
his will.
Here is a message I just received from Judy Cole of Buffalo, NY, the Bangs
web site manager. Obviously, the Jonathan Bangs who left the 1743 will in
Craven is Jonathan #4 on her list, as she points out, who was born in 1707.
He must have written this will while only in his thirties. . The fact that
his sister, Thankful Covell, is mentioned in the will is proof that this is
the same Jonathan. He must have married Abiah (Carruthers?) after his
second wife's death.
Unfortunately, she can't help with the Carruthers or possible Rouse
connection.
FRH
Hi Francis,
>All of the Bangs family descend from Edward(1) who came to
Plymouth Colony
>in 1623.
>My database has the following:
>Edward Bangs(1)
>(Capt.) Jonathan Bangs(2)
>Jonathan Bangs, Jr.(3)
>Jonathan Bangs, Jr.(3) shows these children, among others,
with his first
>wife, Elizabeth __?___:
>Thankful Bangs(4), b. Feb. 1702, m. John Covell
>Jonathan Bangs(4), b. 1707 who I show married twice (1)
1727 to Ruth Bangs
>(probably a cousin since Bangs was her maiden as well as married name), and
>(2) 1732 to Phebe Hopkins.
Phoebe was probably a descendant of the Hopkins family who came over on the
Mayflower.
>This Jonathan(4) is surely the
Jonathan you mention who left a will in
>1743, but I do not have a record of his wife being Abiah. I expect, then,
>that he probably had a 3rd wife, Abiah, by the time of his will in 1743.
>The daughter Betty was probably an Elizabeth, named after her grandmother,
>Elizabeth who was married to Jonathan, Jr.(3).
>I checked my material for the Carruthers, Hodges and Hobbs
and didn't come
>up with anything, I am sorry to say. I also looked for Rouse/Rows and I
>don't have anything.
>As to why Bangs may have gone to North Carolina by the
eighteenth century,
>they could have gone for a variety of reasons - land availability
>(probably), or they were mariners and liked the Carolina coastal waters, or
>perhaps they were Quakers and were being persecuted in New England for
>that. Most Puritans didn't stay Puritan for long, they gradually moved out
>of New England and went many different ways and adopted Quakerism, became
>Congregationalists, Methodists, etc. I believe most left New England when
>towns became filled up and they needed to find land to settle on.
>Do you have a copy of the Jonathan Bangs will, 1743? If
so, let me know if
>you could send me a copy of that. I will pay your costs.
PLEASE keep in touch and let me know if you find your Bangs connection to be
positive. When you are ready, I would like to have you send me your lineage
as you discover it.
>Thanks, Francis. Let me know about the will.
>Judy
>Judy Cole
>47 Baitz Ave.
>Buffalo, NY 14206-2905
>jcole(a)buffnet.net
>http:\\<http://www.buffnet.net/~jcole>www.buffnet.net\~jcole
>On Saturday, March 27, 1999 9:44
AM, frhodges [SMTP:frhodges@gate.net]
>wrote:
>>Hello!
>
>>I saw your web site and thought that perhaps you could
help me.
>
>>I have discovered a branch of the Bangs family from
which I may be
>>descended, and I wonder if you have any information on it. This branch
>>settled in Craven County, NC (the New Bern area) probably in the 1730's
>or
>>1740's. A Jonathan Bangs left a will there in `1743 in which he mentions
>>his widow, Abiah Bangs; a daughter, Betty Bangs; an uncle, John
>>Carruthers;
>>and a sister, Thankfull Covell (the name Thankfull has a Puritan ring to
>>it, which is why I thought of a possible New England origin for the
>>family).
>
>>In 1751, John Carruthers left a will which Abiah Bangs
witnessed. John
>>mentions a wife named Content (also a Puritan ring), He also mentions
>>several children and in-laws, including a son-in-law, Francis Hodges, who
>>is my ancestor.
>
>>In 1755.Abiah Bangs left a will also in Craven County
and mentioned a
>>daughter, Betty Bangs, a cousin , Elizabeth Hobbs; and brothers and
>sisters Elizabeth, Mary, and John Caruthers (obviously a different John
>that the one who died in 1751).
>
>>I am wondering if this Jonathan Bangs could have
perhaps been the son or
>>grandson of Captain Jonathan Bangs (1640-1728) of Massachusetts? Do you
>>have the line from his son, Jonathan? I could not find it on your site.
>>And also--what would have brought these Puritans to the Carolina
>tidewater in the early eighteenth century?
==========================
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Bangs Carruthers Roose NEng>NC
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 16:42:40 -0800
Wm ROOSE Boston, marienr Sept 26 1722
Hello those interested in the recent Bangs Carruthers discussion, here
are more research results, thanks to Christine, including, unless Ive lost
track, a potential new Bangs - Carruthers connection:
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168.
As you can read, it would be wise to follow up on this in research
centers/ libraries w/more complete resources.
And now, it appears that other surnames w/dual geographic locations (NEng
to NC primarily), are working their way into our consciousness, primarily
including now, ROOSE, Rouse, Rew:
William ROOSE of Boston, marienr. Sept 26 1722, will of Craven Co NC.
From : SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : Cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Bangs, Roose-Carruthers etc
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:42 EST
Barry, I did make it to the Lib. today, here is what I found...sort of
disorganized but I know someone in the group will make sense of it.
Craven Co, noncup. willof William ROOSE of Boston, marienr. Sept 26 1722.
Proven by richard farrell, Jane Sparrow and Samuel Bernard.
SOLOMON REW, witn. for Carruthers will....father was Southy Rew, left will
dated Jan 1754, children were Solomon Rew , Thomas, Beverlay (male), Southy
Jr., mary and euphama, wife Mary. Charles COGDELL was a witn.
RICHARD COGDELL was witn. on will of ROBERT CARRUTHERS 14 mar 1758.
According to land grants, Cogdells and lan s. side of Neus Riber 1755, by
one John CARRUTHRS ...........Paten book 15 27 Sept 1754 30 A Craven Co for
Abijah Bangs, s. side of Nuce riber, joining Joseph CARRTHERS, Green Spring
Creek, by branch that makes William's Creek."............"John Carruthers
300 a. Craven Co, N. side of Neuse riber, upper side of Stony Town Creek".
Jonathan BANGS willof 1743 had a Francis BRINKLEY as a witn....willof John
carruthers Peerquimanus Co, 2 feb 1751 has a James BRINKELY as a witn.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL, INDEX FOR VOL 1-50:
1)WITHERINGTONS are vol. 75 and 76, whole family group, include names of
Roxanna, Samuel and several Roberts.
2) Abijah Bangs: Vol 10, p 55...Content Bangs vol 8 p 368
3) ananias Dare vol 4 p 37
4) CARRUTHERS Vol 5-803, 25-81, 74,85,115, 45-93
5) Carrudders, Wm vol 49-330
Sorry, all we have in the Harlingen Lib is the Index for 1-50, 2 of three
indexes for 50 + volumes, (the one missing is A thru C, of course), and some
volumes starting with I think 125!. McAllen Lib and Brownsville Lib has
some of this stuff also. If a backwater area of gen. research like the Rio
Grande Valley of south Texas has this stuff, someone in the W'ton group out
to be near a big lib. that would have ALL the indexes and ALL the volumes!
Christine
From : SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Abijah Withington
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:44:14 EST
Barry, forgot to add this:
New England Historical Journal
Vol 46 page 110 ......ABIJAH WITHINGTON.
christine
From : SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : found my notes!
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:53:35 EST
Barry, found my stuff on the Bangs from a while back. Johnathan bangs b.
dec 1698 Harwich, Barstable, at some point in his life, lived in PUTNAM Co.,
NY!
The Rew family fits into Carruthers as followins in NC: Sarah, dau of
William Carruthers, will of June 1775 in NC, names daughter SARAH REW.
Which Rew she married I dont know.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
Jonathan Bangs vol 10 , 157, 158
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168.
christine
D:\Data\DatFmMic\PERSONAL\GENEALGY\WETHERIN\CARUTHRS\BangRuse\BangRuse.wpd
24 February 2002
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==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Dillingham Elkanah Bangs 1732 Content Mayflr Desc
v33p147
Carruthers?
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:18:24 -0800
Thanks Bitsy,
"Mayflower Descendents", Vol. 33, p147 is source for:
Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777)
+ (9/16/1750)
Susanna Dillingham (1/23/1732-4/18/1788) - dau Jonathan &
Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
issue:
#4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
+
Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
Barry
PS: Can someone follow up in "Mayflower Descendents" for more info re: this
Line? For ex, only the #4 issue is shown - #s 1-3 and #5+? And is there more
for 'Content' - surname Carruthers referenced?
From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
To:
"Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject:
Re: [BANGS] Dillingham mean anything? Elk Bangs 1732 Content
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:07:49 -0800
Hi Barry,
You inspired me to get back to Mother's notes; and by golly, there it
was. She gives her source as "Mayflower Descendents", Vol. 33, p147.
Sincerely, Bitsy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
To: <BANGS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent:
Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:52 PM
Subject: [BANGS] Dillingham mean anything? Elk Bangs 1732 Content
Thanks very much Bitsy,
This info is very helpful - definitely what we are seeking. Quite
coincidentally, I had just posted a message to the Bangs list about
Content Bangs, which I will fwd you shortly.
By Newsletter, do you mean the Bangs-L List? You may be new, but your
information is valuable. I got most of what you sent, but have a question or
two. Is this from a website or your research? Can you direct us to the
source of the information (book names, author, date pub, etc)?
Recent message to follow - & thanks!.
Barry
>
> > From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
> > To: <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: Does Dillingham mean anything to
anyone?
> > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:34:45 -0800
==========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Dillingham Elkanah Bangs 1732 Content
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 11:09:00 -0800
Hi Bitsy,
Surprisingly, or not, we were just discussing the 'Elkanah Bangs' name as
rare, especially in 1732, and of course, the 'Content Bangs' name has been
central to the recent discussions, and here you are w/both. Good job!
Re your storage situation, one source ID would be 'Mother's (name)'
notes. Please photocopy them and place copies in a few protected
location/sources. We all face that issue, especially since there is no
'protected location' of choice.
Eventually, scan her pages (I can do some of that for you) and save the
images to a disk. Luckily, disk space is cheap these days so even though
.jpg/.gif/.tif images are large, you could probably get everything on your
new computer's hard drive w/plenty of room left. Eventually, when you get a
CD Burner, you'll be able to burn them to CDs to store & use forever in a
very usable format.
I'll discuss more in March.
Best,
Barry
Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777)
+ (9/16/1750)
Susanna Dillingham (1/23/1732-4/18/1788) - daughter of Jonathan &
Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
issue:
#4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
+
Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
>From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
>To:
"Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: Dillingham mean anything? Elk Bangs 1732 Content
>Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 10:56:40 -0800
>Hi again,
> I was afraid you were going to ask that? Unfortunately much of my
>research was done by my mother, who has now passed away. Shw was very good
> >at finding information, but not so good at writing down sources. It was
>all >in her head. That generation also didn't have the ease of recording
>thing >that we have (no family tree programs, computers, etc.) I will look
>in my >files and see if there is a clue to the souce, and send it along, if
>there >is.
> I realize that source is very important. I often question things on
> >the net, because there is no source mentioned. So now I am trying to
> >document mother's work - but it's slow work going backwards.
> Later, Bitsy
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
>To: <bitsy(a)pe.net
>Cc:
<bangs-L(a)rootsweb.com>; <carruthers-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
><cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com>; <Witherington-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 3:52 PM
>Subject: Dillingham mean anything? Elk Bangs 1732 Content
> > Thanks very much Bitsy,
> > This info is very helpful - definitely what we are seeking. Quite
> > coincidentally, I had just posted a message to the Bangs list about
>Content Bangs, which I will fwd you shortly.
> > By Newsletter, do you mean the Bangs-L List? You may be new, but your
> > information is valuable. I got most of what you sent, but have a
>question
>or
> > two. Is this from a website or your research? Can you direct us to the
> > source of the information (book names, author, date pub, etc)?
> > Recent message to follow - & thanks!.
> > Barry
>
> > From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
> > To: <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: Does Dillingham mean anything to
anyone?
> > Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:34:45 -0800
>
> > Hi Barry,
> > I am new at this newsletter, wanted to reply to your question. Not
> > sure what you meant by "Does Dillingham mean anything to anyone".
This
>is
> > probably not news to you, but if it is - hope it helps:
> > Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777)
> > + (9/16/1750)
> > Susanna Dillingham (1/23/1732-4/18/1788) - daughter of Jonathan &
> > Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
> > issue:
> > #4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
> > +
> > Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
>
> > Hope this is the info you were interested in.
> > Bitsy
==========================
>From: "Tex Dix" <texdix(a)accessunited.com
>To:
"ETYork" <etyork(a)GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU>, "Barry Wetherington"
><cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
>Subject: Fw: Bangs and
Carruthers families
>Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:32:39 -0500
>Vam & Barry,
>Vam, I am forwarding your message to Barry Wetherington who
knows more than
>I about this. In my opinion he is the expert on the Wetherington /
>Carruthers names.
>I have it recorded as a guess that she is a Bangs... not
sure how Barry has
>it recorded. I know of no source record that names Content as a Bang
>directly.
>I hope Barry can help you out with your below questions.
>I would also invite you to join his mail list as it is
quite informative on
>these surnames and the data is searchable
><cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com>,
<carruthers-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
><dare-L(a)rootsweb.com>; <Easterling-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
><fitchett-L(a)rootsweb.com>; <widdrington-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
><Witherington-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Best Wishes
>Tex & Linda Dix
>305 Avalee Dr.
>Brooks, GA 30205
>texdix(a)accessunited.com
>lindadix(a)accessunited.com
>http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~texdick/
>----- Original Message -----
>From: ETYork
>To: texdix(a)accessunited.com
>Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 5:54 PM
>Subject: Bangs and Carruthers families
>I have read with interest your
Ancestry.com info on two
women I am also
>researching...Rocksolanah Carruthers and Content Bangs.
>Of the two Rocksolannahs, I thought that the one who
married John Martin
>was
>the daughter of Joanne and William Carruthers --- One of the reasons why I
>thought Rocksolannah Carruthers Martin was the dau of Joanne and William
>Carruthers is beccause there were four deeds in 1744 ganted to Rocksolanah
>Martin. So thiis one evidently did not remarry.
> Another reason is the dates I have seen for the birth of
Rocksolannah,
>dau.
>of John and Content Carruthers. I have seen her birth date as either 1720
>or 1729 -- either could be a typo. IF she were born in 1729 shw wouldn't
>be a widow at 1737 and if she were born in 1720, she would be only 17 years
>old when he died and she is said to have sons John and Joseph, daughter
>Elizabeth and an unborn child at that time.
>As to Content Bangs, the only one I have found was in the
Bangs Chart and
>she is the wife of John Bangs. I have done considerable research in the
>New
>England Hist. and Gen Register, but haven't found another Content Bangs.
>Could you please give me the source of your info that Content Bangs, dau of
>Jonathan Bangs married John Carruthers. I have found the will of Jonathan
>and Abiah Bangs and neither name a daughter Content. I knoiw I have only
>scratched the surface in my research, and surely would appreciate
>assistance! It isn't too easy toi find a lot of New England material here
>in Florida.
>Thanks so much. Vam
=========================
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Elisha Dillingham Bangs? shipmaster Content
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:43:09 -0800
Hi List,
Here is Bitsy's Dillingham Bangs Content family List, posted so it can be
included in the List Archives. It adds to, but may not further clarify, the
Content Bangs Carruthers issue (bw).
She also added another comment:
'Additional note - just discovered note of (Bitsy's) Mother's saying Mrs.
Susannah Dillingham (sorry I didn't notice that earlier. Don't know why
they would name son after previous husband)???'
From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
To:
"Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject:
Re: Elisha Dillingham Foster Bangs? shipmaster
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:15:53 -0800
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From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
To: <bitsy(a)pe.net
Cc:
<cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 5:49
PM
Subject: Elisha Dillingham Foster Bangs? shipmaster
Bitsy, what I was seeking from the children as you listed them:
Additional issue of Elkanah & Content:
1. Sally 10/25/1751-__ + 3/30/1775 Richard Arey __-1786)
2. Rhoda 1/19/1754- __ + Richard Clark 2/18/1750-8/12/1818)
3. Dean 5/31/1756-12/6/1844-Sidney, Maine + 8/21/1780 Eunice
Sparrow 12/30/1756-9/3/1818 d/o Isaac & Mary (Hopkins) Sparrow
4. John Dillingham Bangs 12/30/1758-7/6/1814 md Content Smith .. -9/3/1837)
5. Bela (12/19/1763-1783)
6. Elkanah (4/15/1766-c1840) + (1791) Sarah Crosby (c11/1771-2/11/1849) d/o
Sylvanus & Azubah Unk
7. Susanna 6/24/1771-11/27/1828 + 1/9/1794 Abraham Winslow 10/24/1770 -
11/27/1828-Brewster
8. Olive 1/19/1774-7/3/1847 + Sylvanus Snow
(dates for b & d of Sarah Crosby from Vital Records of Brewster)
was an understanding from other issue given names (& surnames) of the family
and if Content might have been named from her mother - ie was Content md Jon
Bangs a Carruthers? For ex, apparently they named a son after Elkanah, why
not a dau Content?
Best,
Barry
Hi Barry,
You inspired me to get back to Mother's notes; and by golly, there it
was. She gives her source as "Mayflower Descendents", Vol. 33, p147.
Thanks very much,
Bitsy,
From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
To:
<cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Does Dillingham mean
anything to anyone?
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:34:45 -0800
Hi Barry,
I am new at this newsletter, wanted to reply to your question. Not
sure what you meant by "Does Dillingham mean anything to anyone". This is
probably not news to you, but if it is - hope it helps:
Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777) + (9/16/1750) Susanna Dillingham
1/23/1732-4/18/1788 - d/o Jonathan & Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
issue: #4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
+
Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
Hope this is the info you were interested in.
Bitsy
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Subject: Info wanted - help
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:14:26 -0800
From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net
To:
<BANGS-admin(a)rootsweb.com
Hi, Does anyone have info on Capt.
Elisha Bangs (shipmaster), his wife
Sarah Foster and son Elisha Dillingham Foster c. 1880? My Mother had, in her
files, an ad from New Jersey newspaper showing picture of the Capt. and
another picture of wife and child, identifying them as
above. Don't know why child would not be Bangs, unless they mean Elisha
Dillingham Foster Bangs. ?
Thanks, Bitsy
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