Hi Bangs & Carruthers, (& those Hodges interested in "Frances Carruthers
Hodges")
"the negative pregnant includes the real possibility there was no such
mating" &
"Proving the negative can be far more difficult and far less
rewarding, but is also very necessary"
Addressing the issue of connecting the Bangs & Carruthers, we could do a darn
sight worse than take the advice of noted genealogy online & offline general &
Hodges researcher Francis Hodges, a good friend of these Lists. Satisfy Francis
and we are 3 legs up on an approved solution. Plus he's given us a doable goal
of searching for the marriage date (& location?):
"Any idea when John and Content were married?"
plus a few guidance clues:
"What this still does not prove is whether Content Bangs was the mother of
John Carruthers children. I have a feeling that John had an earlier wife, who
may have been the mother of his children. I know that his daughter, Frances
Carruthers Hodges, was a mother as early as 1736, which means that John and
Content must have been married very early if Content was Frances's mother. "
If you have any research skills or passion, dial your sights onto this
puzzle. The solution provider(s) will be named Carruthers/Bangs researcher of
2002 (Christine was awarded the 2001 prize for getting us going on this line
when noone else was even thinking this boldly). As true researchers, we must
also accept the skepticism inherent in Francis posting - that is that the
negative pregnant includes the real possibility there was no such mating.
Proving the negative can be far more difficult and far less rewarding, but is
also very necessary to enable us to make progress.
Please put this task high up on your List on which to get started after Labor
Day!!!
Barry
From : "Hodges, Francis R" <fhodges(a)flsouthern.edu>
To : 'Barry Wetherington ' <cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com>
Subject : RE: Expanded both Carruthers north and Bangs south
Date : Sat, 10 Aug 2002 20:23:29 -0400
Barry:
What this still does not prove is whether Content BAngs was the mother of John
Carruthers children. I have a feeling that John had an earlier wife, who may
have been the mother of his children. I know that his daughter, Frances
Carruthers Hodges, was a mother as early as 1736, which means that John and
Content must have been married very early if Content was Frances's mother. Any
idea when John and Content were married?
Francis Hodges
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-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Wetherington
To: Carruthers List; Bangs List
Cc: With List; Weth-L List; Vam York; Trish Cobb; Tex Dix; SMTomlin(a)aol.com;
Martha Marble; Francis Hodges; Collene Mount; Charles T Zeigler; Betty
Norem; BarryHot; BarryAtt
Sent: 8/3/02 10:10 PM
Subject: Expanded both Carruthers north and Bangs south
Hello Bangs-L & Carruthers-L Lists, et al
Having seen little for awhile, perhaps a re-post of the April Recap &
'Gen Analysis" is in order. It appears to me that we have expanded both
Carruthers north and Bangs south. Although I thoroughly examined the
large Bangs work by the noted researcher Dean Dudley, of Boston, kindly
sent to me by Vam York, and ltho I'm not an expert here, there is so
very much tying the 2 families together, it seems a shame not to pursue
what's available to assist both lines to fill in any broken branches.
There are more than enough leads and clues yet to be exploited from the
notes contained within just the amalgamated messages cobbled together
here from the leading edge stuff started by Christine and carried on by
Betty & Bitsy, and so many of the Bangs researchers, & with a
contribution by Martha.
Hope everyone has a great summer and reports back for that extended
winter duty many of us anticipate.
Barry
Content Bangs / Carruthers evidence recap.
bw 4/12/02
Hi Maureen, [and all Bangs researchers on the List]
The only Bangs of whom we had ever been aware is Abiah Bangs, and up pops
Content (Bangs) md one of 'our' Carruthers:
- Edwd Bangs (arrived on the "Anne" to Mass. 1623) and his
descendant (SON?)
Jonathan Bangs md Abiah Carruthers,
- John Carruthers (bro of Abiah) md Content Bangs (sis of Jon)
- Rocksolannah Carruthers md John Witherington s/o Robt
Widdrington(e)/Witherington d 1722 md Elizabeth Dare
And so, in one incredibly packed message/exchange, we joined
the Bangs family at an early time, w/no known present/recent connections.
While we have all been aware that there was a possible, even
suspected, Bangs connection, because of the prominence played by the Bangs in
the lives of Carruthers/W'tons (and how significant does that witness to the
John Carruthers 1751 will by the name of "Abiah Bangs" look now!!!), we've
been
busy doing gen, but not much Bangs Gen, so we are not knowledgeable of
anypresent Bangs Gen.
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, Christine wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs
papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the
"Anne", b dec 1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass.
m. as
wife #2 ABIAH CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah.
Marriage took place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of
Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming
all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New
Bern, Craven Co., NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the
Carruthers deed may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247 these pages
should have the desc. and marriges between the Bangs and Carruthers
sorted out.........only had indexes down here in
deep south texas.
The libs. down here [Houston] cant offer any more that what I dug up.
so I guess sic the W'ton researchers on to this!
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's
brother),named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and Samuel
Withington
Christine
From: <mailto:Grammgault@aol.com> Grammgault(a)aol.com
To: <mailto:BANGS-L@rootsweb.com> BANGS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [BANGS] Edwd BANGS avd 1623 1591-1677 Carruthers
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:17:31 EST
Hi All,
I do not have an Abiah Caruthers m. to Jonathan Bangs in my card index
and would
like to know more as far as dates go. The only son of Edward Bangs
who had children was Jonathan. He was m. 3 times according to what I have to a
Mary Mayo, Sarah______, and Ruth Cole Young. Jonathan was b. c. 1640 at
Plymouth and d. 9 November 1728 at Brewster, Barnstable co., Mass. I welcome
any corrections and new info. Thanks, Anne Gault, Jacksonville, Florida
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, <mailto:SMTomlin@aol.com>
SMTomlin(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs papers in
Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the "Anne", b
dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as wife #2
ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah. Marriage
took place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming all his
kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven
Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the
Carruthers deed may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the
Bangs and Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in
deep south texas.
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's
brother), named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc
Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and
Samuel Withington
Christine
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And then Betty's follow on of some more familiar CD info:
Bettys January 2002 PROOFS:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:30:51 EST, <mailto:BNOREM@aol.com>
BNOREM(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry,
I found the following will abstracts - don't know if you have
them already, but am sending them in case you don't.
Betty Norem
Source: Family Tree Maker CD #509 - Genealogical Records: NC
Wills, 1665-1900
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760 p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS ("my lot in Newbern Town").
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, "oturney
at law."
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William
CARRUTHERS, Sr.
No probate.
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.
Wm ROOSE Boston, marienr Sept 26 1722
Hello those interested in the recent Bangs Carruthers
discussion, here are more research results, thanks to Christine, including,
unless I've lost track, a potential new Bangs - Carruthers connection:
"NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168."
As you can read, it would be wise to follow up on this in
research centers/ libraries w/more complete resources.
And now, it appears that other surnames w/dual geographic
locations (NEng to NC primarily), are working their way into our
consciousness,primarily including now, ROOSE, Rouse, Rew:
"William ROOSE of Boston, marienr. Sept 26 1722", will of
Craven Co NC.
From : <mailto:SMTomlin@aol.com> SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : <mailto:Cbarrywether@hotmail.com>
Cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Bangs, Roose-Carruthers etc
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:42 EST
Barry, I did make it to the Lib. today, here is what I
found...sort of disorganized but I know someone in the group will make sense
ofit.
Craven Co, noncup. willof William ROOSE of Boston, marienr.
Sept 26 1722.
Proven by richard farrell, Jane Sparrow and Samuel Bernard.
SOLOMON REW, witn. for Carruthers will....father was Southy
Rew, left will dated Jan 1754, children were Solomon Rew , Thomas,
Beverlay(male), Southy Jr., mary and euphama, wife Mary. Charles COGDELL was
a witn.
RICHARD COGDELL was witn. on will of ROBERT CARRUTHERS 14 mar
1758.
According to land grants, Cogdells and lan s. side of Neus
Riber 1755, by one John CARRUTHRS ...........Paten book 15 27 Sept 1754 30 A
Craven Co for Abijah Bangs, s. side of Nuce riber, joining Joseph CARRTHERS,
Green Spring Creek, by branch that makes William's
Creek."............"John
Carruthers 300 a. Craven Co, N. side of Neuse riber, upper side of Stony
Town Creek".
Jonathan BANGS willof 1743 had a Francis BRINKLEY as a
witn....willof John carruthers Peerquimanus Co, 2 feb 1751 has a James BRINKELY
as
a witn.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL, INDEX FOR VOL 1-50:
1)WITHERINGTONS are vol. 75 and 76, whole family group,
include names of Roxanna, Samuel and several Roberts.
2) Abijah Bangs: Vol 10, p 55...Content Bangs vol 8 p 368
3) ananias Dare vol 4 p 37
4) CARRUTHERS Vol 5-803, 25-81, 74,85,115, 45-93
5) Carrudders, Wm vol 49-330
Sorry, all we have in the Harlingen Lib is the Index for
1-50, 2 of three indexes for 50 + volumes, (the one missing is A thru C, of
course), and some volumes starting with I think 125!. McAllen Lib and
Brownsville Lib has some of this stuff also. If a backwater area of gen.
research
like the Rio Grande Valley of south Texas has this stuff, someone in the
W'ton group out to be near a big lib. that would have ALL the indexes and ALL
the volumes!
Christine
Thanks Bitsy,
"Mayflower Descendents", Vol. 33, p147 is source for:
Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777)
+ (9/16/1750)
Susanna Dillingham (1/23/1732-4/18/1788) - dau Jonathan
&
Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
issue:
#4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
+
Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:40:16 -0700
From: "Barry Wetherington" <mailto:cbarrywether@hotmail.com>
<cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com>
To: BANGS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [BANGS] Bangs & Carruthers Gen Analysis
Hello Bangs & Carruthers List,
I've had the opportunity to review the materials sent to me by Vam
York (Thank you Vam), including:
1] pages 157-9 of 'corrections & additions to: "the Register, vol viii p
368", the Bangs Family.
2] pages 246-248 of the Oct 1961 NC Wills?, featuring 'The (NC) Will
of Jonathan Bangs", b1698 md Ruth (?) (nc)1727, then MD Abiah Bangs, d
~1743.
3] A beautiful oversized typed/typeset chart, 'Genealogy of the Bangs
Family,' by Dean Dudley, of Boston, seemingly prepared Jun 30 1864,
possibly Vol 9 p157.
Initially, on the entire oversized typed/typeset chart, 'Genealogy of
the Bangs Family,' by Dean Dudley, of Boston, there is no ref to any event
not in N Eng or NY. Apparently, for the Dean, if it didn't happpen in 'New
...',
it didn't happen. His chart does acknowledge the Dillinghams & Covells
(Thankful, Jonathan b1698's sis), but not Carruthers. Also curiously,
while he footnotes Joshua Bangs b 1685 md Mehetabel Clark, he does not locate
them on the chart - this is Joshua Bangs who had Bangs Island named after
him, and was featured in the Register discussion of the Bangs Family. It is
therefore probably consistent that there was no mention of Jonathan's
marriage to Abiah Carruthers.
However, the points I want to develop are these, working w/i the
confines of the 3 refs mentioned above, and guided by Christine's work,
solidified by Betty & Martha & Vam, et al those who contributed.
A] The Will of Jonathan Bangs,
B] The Will of Abiah Bangs (excerpts), and
C] 1745 Acknowledgement of Debt by NC men to Nathan Bangs, 'Master of
the Sloop Endeavor'.
These documents, and the footnotes of the documents, establish to a
high level of confidence that:
The Will is that of Jonathan Bangs , the son of Jonathan Bangs & Eliz of
Harwich;
He went to Putnam NY;
Thankful Covell is his 'natural sister', md John Covell;
Abiah Bangs is his 'Loving Wife';
Betty Bangs is his 'Well beloved daughter';
He appointed his 'uncle Jno Carruthers Executor';
Abiah Bangs will of 1755 (she died ~1760) mentions her dau Betty Bangs,
her cousin Eliz Hobbs, and her siblings John, Wm, Eliz, and Mary Carruthers;
Jonathan, being then 'a mariner of Harwich', bought a town lot in New
Bern Craven Co NC and a tract of land near the Neuse River (Rocksolannah
Caruthers d/o John Carruthers occupied a 'Prime' town lot in New Bern,
also not far from the Neuse);
Jon also bought 2 other New Bern NC plots, one of which was later
conveyed by Abiah Bangs, probably the very same Abiah Bangs who witnessed the
1751 will of John Carruthers, f/o Rocksolannah Carruthers, and, lastly;
That Nathan Bangs of Barnstable N Eng entered into a NC agreement w/Wm
Wickliffe & Richd Nixon in 1744 for a bonus of 150 Lbs for the prompt
arrival of the Endeavor at Boston w/I 30 days. This ties Nathan & the
Bangs in with NC.
Frankly, everything fits so well, it's difficult to see why or how
this situation can be, or should be, refuted.
Dean Dudley's inability to link up Joshua (not Jonathan here) Bangs
to his family likely also prevented him from following another clue, had he
been inclined to do so. Dudley's footnote does show that "Joshua Bangs b
1685 md Mehetabel Clark," was the parent of Nathan Bangs b 11/23/1714.
But the 1745 Agreement/sailing bonus establishes a parallal (to Jonathan
Bangs) sea connection of the Bangs w/the Carruthers/NC. And remember the
Christine & Betty developed discussions/ facts.
I've run out of time now, w/o addressing the issue of Content (Bangs?
Carruthers? Covell? Or perhaps Content Smith md John D (Dillingham?)
[center on the Dudley Gen page], apparently s/o Elkanah md Mary)!
Good hunting!
Barry
PS: Below are additional relevant references.
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Newcomb Clendennen GEDCOM
1. Entries: 4398 Updated: Wed Mar 8 10:05:41 2000 Contact: Neil Newcomb
<neilnewc(a)lightspeed.net>
Index | Individual | Register | Pedigree | Ahnentafel | Download GEDCOM
1 Joshua Bangs b: 1685 d: 1762
+ Mehitable Clark d: 1761
2 Nathan Bangs b: 1714 d: BEF. 1750
+ Mehitable
3 Susannah Bangs b: 1742
2 Thomas Bangs b: 1716
2 Thankful Bangs b: 1720
2 Mehitabel Bangs b: BEF. 1730
2 Mary Bangs b: BEF. 1734
2 Joshua Bangs d: 1755
+ Sarah Waite
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ID: I3289 Name: Joshua Bangs Sex: M Birth: 1685 Death: 1762
Father: Edward Bangs b: 1665
Mother: Ruth Allen
Marriage 1 Mehitable Clark
Children
"Nathan Bangs b: 1714
Thomas Bangs b: 1716
Thankful Bangs b: 1720
Mehitabel Bangs b: BEF. 1730
Mary Bangs b: BEF. 1734
Joshua Bangs
WorldConnect
====================
Nathan was capt on Endeavour for/ a NC contract bounty on his cargo, Lbs, 21
Aug 1745 bonus for a safe arrival in Boston by Wm Wickliffe & Richd Nixon.
159 HANNAH WING (214) (John3-1) Born 7 May 1724, Harwich, MA (VR), died 29
Oct 1757, Carmel, N.Y. age 33 years. Her father's will made 15 Nov 1757
speaks of "the heirs of my daughter, Hannah Bangs deceased". Marriage
intention filed 25 Feb 1743, Harwich, MA (VR), married 5 Apr 1744, Harwich,
MA (VR), as his second wife, SAMUEL BANGS of Harwich, MA, born 3 Feb 1722,
Harwich, MA (shown without a date in the published VR of Harwich), baptized
23 Sept 1722, died 1 Mar 1787 age 64 year, South East, The Oblong, Dutchess
Co., N.Y., buried in the Old Sears Burying Ground, Brewster, Dutchess Co.,
N.Y.; son of Jonathan Bangs, Jr. and Experience Berry. Samuel Married (1)
Elizabeth _____ and (3) Hannah _____. They moved from Cape Cod to The
Oblong, Dutchess Co., N.Y. (ref: Bangs Gen, pg 51; Harwich VR, pg 89, 93;
Owl, Vol 17, #2, Mar 1916, pg 1544; Owl, Vol 26, #2, Mar 1925, pg 2465).
Samuel and Hannah had: 608 i JOHN BANGS (581A)
http://www.wingfamilyhistory.com/kathryn/wingbookgen4.html
148 ABIGAIL WING (197) (John3, Ananias2, John1) Born 8 May 1737, Harwich, MA
(VR), died 1818 age 79 years, Stamford, VT. Marriage intention filed 30 Sept
1758, Harwich, MA (VR), married 18 Jan 1759, Harwich, MA (VR), NATHAN BANGS,
born 2 May 1736, Harwich, MA (VR), died about 1794, Montague, MA. Nathan was
a soldier in the Revolution. He dated his will 23 Dec 1793 and the instrument
was proved Mar 1794 in Hampshire Co., MA. He was the son of
David Bangs and Eunice Stone. Abigail moved to Stamford, VT in the fall of 1809
with her son Mark. The family was in Montague, MA during the 1790 census
with one male over 16, one male under 16 and three females. (ref: Bangs Gen,
pg 84; Harwich VR, pg 120, 128; Owl, Vol 17, #2, Mar 1916, pg 1541; 1790
census, MA, pg 117). Nathan and Abigail had: 571 i BETHIAH BANGS (543), born
19 July 1761 572 ii HULDAH BANGS (544), born 28 June 1762 573 iii JOHN BANGS
(545), born 21 June 1764 iv Joshua Bangs (546), born 14 Oct 1766 574 v MARY
"Polly" BANGS (547), born 28 Oct 1768 575 vi MARK BANGS (548), born 10 Sept
1771, Harwich, MA vii Nathan Bangs (549), born 1 Sept 1773, died 4 Mar 1774
viii ABIGAIL BANGS (550), born 2 or 21 Mar 1775. Marriage intention filed 3
Mar 1797, Conway, MA, married 3 Apr 1797, Conway, MA (VR), ELON BOOTH ix
HANNAH BANGS (551), born 22 May 1774, Harwich, MA. Married ANTHONY FALES.
Resided Shelborne, MA and VT 576 x NATHAN BANGS (552), born 17 Aug 1778,
Hardwick, MA
157 BETHIA WING (211) (John3-1) Born 22 Jan 1715/6, Harwich, MA (VR).
Marriage (1) intention filed 7 Feb 1735/6, Harwich, MA (VR), JAMES BANGS,
born 4 Apr 1716, Harwich, MA (VR), died 9 Feb 1742, Harwich, MA; son of
Jonathan Bangs, Jr. and Experience Berry. Married (2) _____ COBB. (ref:
Bangs Gen, pg 50; Harwich VR, pg 65; Owl, Vol 17, #2, Mar 1916, pg 1544).
James and Bethia had: i Reuben Bangs (578), born 28 Jan 1736, Harwich, MA
(VR), Baptized 26 Mar 1736 606 ii JAMES BANGS (579), born about 1738,
Harwich, MA 607 iii JOSHUA BANGS (579A)
Hi Bangs List,
Still trying to chase down this Bangs Carruthers connection. We've had a
couple more people confirming some part of the connection, and see the
extensive messages posted in Jan & Feb, but still have not heard from anyone
who has had access to the:
"NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER" and/or original
source records who has checked the factual reports that initiated this search.
At the bottom, I review some of this Bangs Carruthers connection.
To recap, I'll outline the relevant factual 'findings' for which we
would like some confirmation or refutation:
1) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
2) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
3) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
4) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
5) "NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168."
From : Martha Marble <mmarble(a)erols.com>
To :
"Barry Wetherington" cbarrywether@hotmail.com>,SMTomlin(a)aol.com,
fhodges(a)flsouthern.edu
Subject : Re: Bangs Carruthers Roose NEng>NC
Date : Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:19:58 -0500
"NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168."
As you can read, it would be wise to follow up on this in research
centers/ libraries w/more complete resources.
From : SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : Cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Bangs, Roose-Carruthers etc
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:42 EST
Barry, forgot to add this:
New England Historical Journal
Vol 46 page 110 ......ABIJAH WITHINGTON.
christine
Barry, found my stuff on the Bangs from a while back. Johnathan bangs
b.
dec 1698 Harwich, Barstable, at some point in his life, lived in PUTNAM
Co.,
NY!
That is what I found also but don't ... nothing about NY Research.
Martha
Barry:
What this stil does not prove is whether Content BAngs was the mother of
John Carruthers children. I have a feeling that John had an earlier wife,
who may have been the mother of his children. I know that his daughter,
Frances Carruthers Hodges, was a mother as early as 1736, which means that
John and Content must have been married very early if Content was Frances's
mother. Any idea when John and Content were married?
Francis Hodges
**********************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: Barry Wetherington
To: Carruthers List; Bangs List
Cc: With List; Weth-L List; Vam York; Trish Cobb; Tex Dix; SMTomlin(a)aol.com;
Martha Marble; Francis Hodges; Collene Mount; Charles T Zeigler; Betty
Norem; BarryHot; BarryAtt
Sent: 8/3/02 10:10 PM
Subject: Expanded both Carruthers north and Bangs south
Hello Bangs-L & Carruthers-L Lists, et al
Having seen little for awhile, perhaps a re-post of the April Recap &
'Gen Analysis" is in order. It appears to me that we have expanded both
Carruthers north and Bangs south. Although I thoroughly examined the
large Bangs work by the noted researcher Dean Dudley, of Boston, kindly
sent to me by Vam York, and ltho I'm not an expert here, there is so
very much tying the 2 families together, it seems a shame not to pursue
what's available to assist both lines to fill in any broken branches.
There are more than enough leads and clues yet to be exploited from the
notes contained within just the amalgamated messages cobbled together
here from the leading edge stuff started by Christine and carried on by
Betty & Bitsy, and so many of the Bangs researchers, & with a
contribution by Martha.
Hope everyone has a great summer and reports back for that extended
winter duty many of us anticipate.
Barry
Content Bangs / Carruthers evidence recap.
bw 4/12/02
Hi Maureen, [and all Bangs researchers on the List]
The only Bangs of whom we had ever been aware is Abiah
Bangs, and up pops
Content (Bangs) md one of 'our' Carruthers:
- Edwd Bangs (arrived on the "Anne" to Mass. 1623) and his
descendant (SON?)
Jonathan Bangs md Abiah Carruthers,
- John Carruthers (bro of Abiah) md Content Bangs (sis of Jon)
- Rocksolannah Carruthers md John Witherington s/o Robt
Widdrington(e)/Witherington d 1722 md Elizabeth Dare
And so, in one incredibly packed message/exchange, we joined
the Bangs
family at an early time, w/no known present/recent connections.
While we have all been aware that there was a possible, even
suspected,
Bangs connection, because of the prominence played by the Bangs
in the lives
of Carruthers/W'tons (and how significant does that witness to
the John
Carruthers 1751 will by the name of "Abiah Bangs" look now!!!),
we've been
busy doing gen, but not much Bangs Gen, so we are not
knowledgeable of any
present Bangs Gen.
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, Christine wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs
papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the
"Anne", b dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as
wife #2 ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah.
Marriage took
place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of
Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming
all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New
Bern, Craven Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the
Carruthers deed
may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the
Bangs and
Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in
deep south
texas.
The libs. down here [Houston] cant offer any more that what I
dug up. so I
guess sic the W'ton researchers on to this!
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's
brother),
named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc
Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and
Samuel
Withington
Christine
From: <mailto:Grammgault@aol.com> Grammgault(a)aol.com
To: <mailto:BANGS-L@rootsweb.com> BANGS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [BANGS] Edwd BANGS avd 1623 1591-1677 Carruthers
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 10:17:31 EST
Hi All,
I do not have an Abiah Caruthers m. to Jonathan Bangs in my
card index and
would like to know more as far as dates go. The only son of
Edward Bangs
who had children was Jonathan. He was m. 3 times according to
what I have
to a Mary Mayo, Sarah______, and Ruth Cole Young. Jonathan
was
b. c. 1640
at Plymouth and d. 9 November 1728 at Brewster, Barnstable
co.,
Mass. I
welcome any corrections and new info. Thanks, Anne Gault,
Jacksonville,
Florida
Tue, 18 Dec 2001 14:49:14 EST, <mailto:SMTomlin@aol.com>
SMTomlin(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry, here is why the Carruthers will was with the Bangs
papers in Mass.
Jonathan Bangs, dec. of Edward Bangs to Mass in 1623 on the
"Anne", b dec
1689, "Marriner of Harwich, Mass", Barnstable Co, Mass. m. as
wife #2 ABIAH
CARRUTHERS, sister of John Carruthers, father of Rocksolanah.
Marriage took
place in Mass. John Carruthers m. CONTENT BANGS, sister of
Jonathan.
Jonathan and Content Bangs father left a will in Mass. naming
all his kids.
Jonathan had no children from Wife #1 Ruth___.
Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New
Bern, Craven Co.,
NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc.
Bangs deed may be recorded in Mass., which means that the
Carruthers deed
may be there too.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL AND GEN. REGISTER
Vol. 8 p. 368
Vol 10 p. 157-158, 168
vol. 115 also has Bangs/Carruthers info, I think p. 247
these pages should have the desc. and marriges between the
Bangs and
Carruthers sorted out.........only had indexes down here in
deep south
texas.
Oh, Jane _______ was wife of John Carruthers Jr (Rocksolanah's
brother),
named as wittn. on will of Jerimiah Murphy in Craven Co., Nc
Nov. 1750
also found
a John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, Mass
W'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and
Samuel
Withington
Christine
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And then Betty's follow on of some more familiar CD info:
Bettys January 2002 PROOFS:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:30:51 EST, <mailto:BNOREM@aol.com>
BNOREM(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry,
I found the following will abstracts - don't know if you have
them
already, but am sending them in case you don't.
Betty Norem
Source: Family Tree Maker CD #509 - Genealogical Records: NC
Wills,
1665-1900
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760 p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS ("my lot in Newbern Town").
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, "oturney
at law."
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William
CARRUTHERS, Sr.
No probate.
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.
Wm ROOSE Boston, marienr Sept 26 1722
Hello those interested in the recent Bangs Carruthers
discussion, here
are more research results, thanks to Christine, including,
unless I've lost
track, a potential new Bangs - Carruthers connection:
"NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168."
As you can read, it would be wise to follow up on this in
research
centers/ libraries w/more complete resources.
And now, it appears that other surnames w/dual geographic
locations (NEng
to NC primarily), are working their way into our consciousness,
primarily
including now, ROOSE, Rouse, Rew:
"William ROOSE of Boston, marienr. Sept 26 1722", will of
Craven Co NC.
From : <mailto:SMTomlin@aol.com> SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : <mailto:Cbarrywether@hotmail.com>
Cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Bangs, Roose-Carruthers etc
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:42 EST
Barry, I did make it to the Lib. today, here is what I
found...sort of
disorganized but I know someone in the group will make sense of
it.
Craven Co, noncup. willof William ROOSE of Boston, marienr.
Sept 26 1722.
Proven by richard farrell, Jane Sparrow and Samuel Bernard.
SOLOMON REW, witn. for Carruthers will....father was Southy
Rew, left will
dated Jan 1754, children were Solomon Rew , Thomas, Beverlay
(male), Southy
Jr., mary and euphama, wife Mary. Charles COGDELL was a witn.
RICHARD COGDELL was witn. on will of ROBERT CARRUTHERS 14 mar
1758.
According to land grants, Cogdells and lan s. side of Neus
Riber 1755, by
one John CARRUTHRS ...........Paten book 15 27 Sept 1754 30 A
Craven Co for
Abijah Bangs, s. side of Nuce riber, joining Joseph CARRTHERS,
Green Spring
Creek, by branch that makes William's Creek."............"John
Carruthers
300 a. Craven Co, N. side of Neuse riber, upper side of Stony
Town Creek".
Jonathan BANGS willof 1743 had a Francis BRINKLEY as a
witn....willof John
carruthers Peerquimanus Co, 2 feb 1751 has a James BRINKELY as
a witn.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL, INDEX FOR VOL 1-50:
1)WITHERINGTONS are vol. 75 and 76, whole family group,
include names of
Roxanna, Samuel and several Roberts.
2) Abijah Bangs: Vol 10, p 55...Content Bangs vol 8 p 368
3) ananias Dare vol 4 p 37
4) CARRUTHERS Vol 5-803, 25-81, 74,85,115, 45-93
5) Carrudders, Wm vol 49-330
Sorry, all we have in the Harlingen Lib is the Index for
1-50, 2 of three
indexes for 50 + volumes, (the one missing is A thru C, of
course), and some
volumes starting with I think 125!. McAllen Lib and
Brownsville Lib has
some of this stuff also. If a backwater area of gen. research
like the Rio
Grande Valley of south Texas has this stuff, someone in the
W'ton group out
to be near a big lib. that would have ALL the indexes and ALL
the volumes!
Christine
Thanks Bitsy,
"Mayflower Descendents", Vol. 33, p147 is source for:
Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777)
+ (9/16/1750)
Susanna Dillingham (1/23/1732-4/18/1788) - dau Jonathan
&
Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
issue:
#4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
+
Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
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Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2002 03:40:16 -0700
From: "Barry Wetherington" <mailto:cbarrywether@hotmail.com>
<cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com>
To: BANGS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [BANGS] Bangs & Carruthers Gen Analysis
Hello Bangs & Carruthers List,
I've had the opportunity to review the materials sent to me by Vam
York
(Thank you Vam), including:
1] pages 157-9 of 'corrections & additions to: "the Register, vol viii
p
368", the Bangs Family.
2] pages 246-248 of the Oct 1961 NC Wills?, featuring 'The (NC) Will
of
Jonathan Bangs", b1698 md Ruth (?) (nc)1727, then MD Abiah Bangs, d
~1743.
3] A beautiful oversized typed/typeset chart, 'Genealogy of the Bangs
Family,' by Dean Dudley, of Boston, seemingly prepared Jun 30 1864,
possibly
Vol 9 p157.
Initially, on the entire oversized typed/typeset chart, 'Genealogy of
the
Bangs Family,' by Dean Dudley, of Boston, there is no ref to any event
not
in N Eng or NY. Apparently, for the Dean, if it didn't happpen in 'New
...',
it didn't happen. His chart does acknowledge the Dillinghams & Covells
(Thankful, Jonathan b1698's sis), but not Carruthers. Also curiously,
while
he footnotes Joshua Bangs b 1685 md Mehetabel Clark, he does not locate
them
on the chart - this is Joshua Bangs who had Bangs Island named after
him,
and was featured in the Register discussion of the Bangs Family. It is
therefore probably consistent that there was no mention of Jonathan's
marriage to Abiah Carruthers.
However, the points I want to develop are these, working w/i the
confines
of the 3 refs mentioned above, and guided by Christine's work,
solidified by
Betty & Martha & Vam, et al those who contributed.
A] The Will of Jonathan Bangs,
B] The Will of Abiah Bangs (excerpts), and
C] 1745 Acknowledgement of Debt by NC men to Nathan Bangs, 'Master of
the
Sloop Endeavor'.
These documents, and the footnotes of the documents, establish to a
high
level of confidence that:
The Will is that of Jonathan Bangs , the son of Jonathan Bangs & Eliz of
Harwich;
He went to Putnam NY;
Thankful Covell is his 'natural sister', md John Covell;
Abiah Bangs is his 'Loving Wife';
Betty Bangs is his 'Well beloved daughter';
He appointed his 'uncle Jno Carruthers Executor';
Abiah Bangs will of 1755 (she died ~1760) mentions her dau Betty Bangs,
her
cousin Eliz Hobbs, and her siblings John, Wm, Eliz, and Mary Carruthers;
Jonathan, being then 'a mariner of Harwich', bought a town lot in New
Bern
Craven Co NC and a tract of land near the Neuse River (Rocksolannah
Caruthers d/o John Carruthers occupied a 'Prime' town lot in New Bern,
also
not far from the Neuse);
Jon also bought 2 other New Bern NC plots, one of which was later
conveyed
by Abiah Bangs, probably the very same Abiah Bangs who witnessed the
1751
will of John Carruthers, f/o Rocksolannah Carruthers, and, lastly;
That Nathan Bangs of Barnstable N Eng entered into a NC agreement w/Wm
Wickliffe & Richd Nixon in 1744 for a bonus of 150 Lbs for the prompt
arrival of the Endeavor at Boston w/I 30 days. This ties Nathan & the
Bangs
in with NC.
Frankly, everything fits so well, it's difficult to see why or how
this
situation can be, or should be, refuted.
Dean Dudley's inability to link up Joshua (not Jonathan here) Bangs
to
his family likely also prevented him from following another clue, had he
been inclined to do so. Dudley's footnote does show that "Joshua Bangs b
1685 md Mehetabel Clark," was the parent of Nathan Bangs b 11/23/1714.
But
the 1745 Agreement/sailing bonus establishes a parallal (to Jonathan
Bangs)
sea connection of the Bangs w/the Carruthers/NC. And remember the
Christine
& Betty developed discussions/ facts.
I've run out of time now, w/o addressing the issue of Content (Bangs?
Carruthers? Covell? Or perhaps Content Smith md John D (Dillingham?)
[center
on the Dudley Gen page], apparently s/o Elkanah md Mary)!
Good hunting!
Barry
PS: Below are additional relevant references.
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1 Joshua Bangs b: 1685 d: 1762
+ Mehitable Clark d: 1761
2 Nathan Bangs b: 1714 d: BEF. 1750
+ Mehitable
3 Susannah Bangs b: 1742
2 Thomas Bangs b: 1716
2 Thankful Bangs b: 1720
2 Mehitabel Bangs b: BEF. 1730
2 Mary Bangs b: BEF. 1734
2 Joshua Bangs d: 1755
+ Sarah Waite
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ID: I3289 Name: Joshua Bangs Sex: M Birth: 1685 Death: 1762
Father: Edward Bangs b: 1665
Mother: Ruth Allen
Marriage 1 Mehitable Clark
Children
"Nathan Bangs b: 1714
Thomas Bangs b: 1716
Thankful Bangs b: 1720
Mehitabel Bangs b: BEF. 1730
Mary Bangs b: BEF. 1734
Joshua Bangs
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Nathan was capt on Endeavour for/ a NC contract bounty on his cargo,
Lbs,
21 Aug
1745 bonus for a safe arrival in Boston by Wm Wickliffe & Richd Nixon.
159 HANNAH WING (214) (John3-1) Born 7 May 1724, Harwich, MA (VR), died
29
Oct 1757, Carmel, N.Y. age 33 years. Her father's will made 15 Nov 1757
speaks of "the heirs of my daughter, Hannah Bangs deceased". Marriage
intention filed 25 Feb 1743, Harwich, MA (VR), married 5 Apr 1744,
Harwich,
MA (VR), as his second wife, SAMUEL BANGS of Harwich, MA, born 3 Feb
1722,
Harwich, MA (shown without a date in the published VR of Harwich),
baptized
23 Sept 1722, died 1 Mar 1787 age 64 year, South East, The Oblong,
Dutchess
Co., N.Y., buried in the Old Sears Burying Ground, Brewster, Dutchess
Co.,
N.Y.; son of Jonathan Bangs, Jr. and Experience Berry. Samuel Married
(1)
Elizabeth _____ and (3) Hannah _____. They moved from Cape Cod to The
Oblong, Dutchess Co., N.Y. (ref: Bangs Gen, pg 51; Harwich VR, pg 89,
93;
Owl, Vol 17, #2, Mar 1916, pg 1544; Owl, Vol 26, #2, Mar 1925, pg 2465).
Samuel and Hannah had: 608 i JOHN BANGS (581A)
http://www.wingfamilyhistory.com/kathryn/wingbookgen4.html
148 ABIGAIL WING (197) (John3, Ananias2, John1) Born 8 May 1737,
Harwich, MA
(VR), died 1818 age 79 years, Stamford, VT. Marriage intention filed 30
Sept
1758, Harwich, MA (VR), married 18 Jan 1759, Harwich, MA (VR), NATHAN
BANGS,
born 2 May 1736, Harwich, MA (VR), died about 1794, Montague, MA. Nathan
was
a soldier in the Revolution. He dated his will 23 Dec 1793 and the
instrument was proved Mar 1794 in Hampshire Co., MA. He was the son of
David
Bangs and Eunice Stone. Abigail moved to Stamford, VT in the fall of
1809
with her son Mark. The family was in Montague, MA during the 1790 census
with one male over 16, one male under 16 and three females. (ref: Bangs
Gen,
pg 84; Harwich VR, pg 120, 128; Owl, Vol 17, #2, Mar 1916, pg 1541; 1790
census, MA, pg 117). Nathan and Abigail had: 571 i BETHIAH BANGS (543),
born
19 July 1761 572 ii HULDAH BANGS (544), born 28 June 1762 573 iii JOHN
BANGS
(545), born 21 June 1764 iv Joshua Bangs (546), born 14 Oct 1766 574 v
MARY
"Polly" BANGS (547), born 28 Oct 1768 575 vi MARK BANGS (548), born 10
Sept
1771, Harwich, MA vii Nathan Bangs (549), born 1 Sept 1773, died 4 Mar
1774
viii ABIGAIL BANGS (550), born 2 or 21 Mar 1775. Marriage intention
filed 3
Mar 1797, Conway, MA, married 3 Apr 1797, Conway, MA (VR), ELON BOOTH ix
HANNAH BANGS (551), born 22 May 1774, Harwich, MA. Married ANTHONY
FALES.
Resided Shelborne, MA and VT 576 x NATHAN BANGS (552), born 17 Aug 1778,
Hardwick, MA
157 BETHIA WING (211) (John3-1) Born 22 Jan 1715/6, Harwich, MA (VR).
Marriage (1) intention filed 7 Feb 1735/6, Harwich, MA (VR), JAMES
BANGS,
born 4 Apr 1716, Harwich, MA (VR), died 9 Feb 1742, Harwich, MA; son of
Jonathan Bangs, Jr. and Experience Berry. Married (2) _____ COBB. (ref:
Bangs Gen, pg 50; Harwich VR, pg 65; Owl, Vol 17, #2, Mar 1916, pg
1544).
James and Bethia had: i Reuben Bangs (578), born 28 Jan 1736, Harwich,
MA
(VR), Baptized 26 Mar 1736 606 ii JAMES BANGS (579), born about 1738,
Harwich, MA 607 iii JOSHUA BANGS (579A)
Hi Bangs List,
Still trying to chase down this Bangs Carruthers connection. We've
had a
couple more people confirming some part of the connection, and see the
extensive messages posted in Jan & Feb, but still have not heard from
anyone
who has had access to the:
"NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER" and/or original
source
records who has checked the factual reports that initiated this search.
At
the bottom, I review some of this Bangs Carruthers connection.
To recap, I'll outline the relevant factual 'findings' for which we
would
like some confirmation or refutation:
1) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
2) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
3) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
4) See Jan & Feb email 'compendiums' sent by BW
5) "NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168."
From : Martha Marble <mmarble(a)erols.com>
To :
"Barry Wetherington" cbarrywether@hotmail.com>,SMTomlin(a)aol.com,
fhodges(a)flsouthern.edu
Subject : Re: Bangs Carruthers Roose NEng>NC
Date : Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:19:58 -0500
"NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL AND GEN. REGISTER:
John Carruthers and Mary Bangs, vol 17 p 168."
As you can read, it would be wise to follow up on this in research
centers/ libraries w/more complete resources.
From : SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : Cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Bangs, Roose-Carruthers etc
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:42 EST
Barry, forgot to add this:
New England Historical Journal
Vol 46 page 110 ......ABIJAH WITHINGTON.
christine
Barry, found my stuff on the Bangs from a while back. Johnathan bangs
b. dec 1698 Harwich, Barstable, at some point in his life, lived in PUTNAM
Co., NY!
That is what I found also but don't ... nothing about NY Research.
Martha
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