Hi again ALL,
Hardly had we posted the dna genealogy msg when back came quite
interesting results for at least one of 'our' Surnames, see the Easterling
report of results below. The Easterling surname genealogy was in part
'measured' by its relationship to the Rev Henry Easterling.
Congratulations Lillie [see her msg below] & the many Easterlings working
in the Easterling-L Rootsweb List:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/e/easterling.html
and all others researching.
Lillie, was the current Henry Easterling awaiting the outcome of this for
his next Easterling publication?
Barry Wetherington
PS: I'm also replicating, at the bottom of this msg, excerpts of my prior
msg concerning the new dna database foundation:
"local geneticists are opening a free DNA-based genealogy database to the
public this week.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595045808,00.html
James Sorenson . . . . The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation:
http://www.smgf.org"
and some pares down excerpts of our prior Rice msg FYI. bw 3/15/04
I continue to think that dna results will transform genealogy (as well
as many other human endeavors). Once again, unless you need this
online/library/courthouse/cemetery etc genealogical 'quest' as your personal
life pursuit, and although the 'easy' way is not usually the 'best' way,
perhaps we need to reconsider for dna results, which are as easy & near
absolute as now seems humanly possible and conceivable.
"Hi Barry!
The Easterlings have been doing the dna testing and it has been
established that the Kentucky Easterlings and the family of William m.
Easterling of Sc and Arkansas are indeed related to Rev. Henry Easterling.
Good news! It is well worth the testing.
Lillie Easterling"
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Barry Wetherington wrote:
Hi Lists,
FYI, at least 2 related surnames of 'ours' are in the process of dna
testing, Vines & Rice (others???). I previouisly mentioned Vines, but here
is some interesting dna info re: Rice. Go to 'their' web site (for which
thank you Rices) for some insights:
http://www.widomaker.com/~gwk/era/haplotype.htm
at which there are about 20 more references/ WebSites/ Links you can click
on for even more info.
I suspect some of us are reaching the point where we might want to
consider at least applying soon, so our dna can be considered for future
genealogical projects (since it is unlikely any graves will be unearthed, at
least easily, although research into that subject could also be very
interesting. In fact, the recently discussed issue of Peter Wton b1770 being
a son of Wm Wton md Eliz Lewis 1741 could be a very interesting topic for
'our' first such consideration).
We all tend to procrastinate about such things - in fact, I haven't yet
gotten around to doing it - 'it' being ordered and returned my 'inside the
cheek cotton swab' packet to the appropriate dna testers for family tree
determination.
If there is someone or somefew on 'our' Lists that might want to handle
this responsibility, either for a specific surname or names, or for all, pls
'Reply' to me re this message to discuss. Replying does not obligate you for
anything but to discuss it. And maybe the person or persons who get us
started will not need to carry it on.
Barry Wetherington
cbarrfly(a)comcast.net
[See Benj Rice md to Sarah Carruthers below]
1 John Carruthers 1700 - 1752
+Content Unk
2 Rocksolannah Carruthers 1720 -
+John Martin
*2nd Husband of Rocksolannah Carruthers:
+John Witherington 1703 -
3 William Witherington, Sr 1740/41 - 1819
+Elizabeth Lewis 1745 -
3 Cleverly Witherington 1743 -
+Menah
3 Robert Witherington 1750 -
+Esther
2 Frances Carruthers 1732 -
+Francis Hodges Sr
3 Joshua Hodges 1736 -
2 John Carruthers, Jr 1722 - 1762
+Jane Tuncliff
2 Joseph Carruthers 1724 - 1752
2 Sarah Carruthers 1728 -
+Benjamin Rice
*2nd Husband of Sarah Carruthers:
+Vinyard Bond
Partial Wton Easterling Vines Tree FYI
1 Samuel Vines
+Martha
2 Elizabeth Vines 1675 - b1675 MD
+Henry Easterling 1658 - 1707 b1658 Calvert Co MD d1707
3 Henry Easterling, Sr 1696/97 - 1743 b 3/24/1696-97 Port Republic
Calvert Co MD d1743 NC
+Elizabeth Witherington 1700 - b Abt 1700 Calvert Co MD ?
4 Henry Easterling 1733 - b 5/24/1733 New Bern Craven, NC
4 Allathera Easterling 1725 - b Abt 1725
4 William Easterling
4 John Easterling
3 Martha Easterling 1701 - b 1701
3 Elizabeth Easterling 1703 - b 1703
3 Mary Easterling 1706 - b 1706
Excerpts Below may be more than you ever wanted to know about dna testing,
but JIC. And you can go to the Rice-L Link for more info:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/e/easterling.html
& particularly their dna site:
http://www.widomaker.com/~gwk/era/haplotype.htm
which also includes significant data FYI & Vines & Rice (others???). I
previously mentioned Vines, but here is some interesting dna info re: Rice.
Go to 'their' web site (for which thank you Rices) for some insights, & at
which there are about 20 more references/ WebSites/ Links you can click on
for even more info.
Barry
.............................................
Excerpts Below :
Edmund Rice Homestead
East Sudbury, MA Edmund Rice (1638) Association
Rice Family DNA Project
return to: [Information page]
Highlighted technical terms are explained in the Glossary. Note: a term may
be used many times, but is highlighted only the first time within each
section.
Last updated: 2004 Feb 19
http://www.widomaker.com/~gwk/era/haplotype.htm
The Edmund Rice (1638) Association has a project underway seeking to
discover the ancestors of Edmund Rice and other Rice and Royce families.
(There was a tendency in past centuries to regard these two spellings as
interchangeable.) Y-chromosome DNA analysis offers exciting opportunities to
learn more about early family roots. With the assistance of three genetics
testing labs, we compared the DNA of many male-line descendants of Edmund
Rice of Sudbury and Marlborough and reconstructed the genetic "fingerprint"
or haplotype of our immigrant ancestor (see Table 1). For the details of how
we did this, see the article entitled "How We Obtained the Rice Haplotype"
in our newsletter.
Knowing the haplotypes of Edmund Rice and several other progenitors, we can
now invite all Rice/Royce males to compare your DNA against Edmund's and
against each other's. For those of you who wonder whether you may be his
descendants, such a comparison can help to investigate that possibility. A
match with Edmund's haplotype will confirm that you are indeed related
(though not necessarily a descendant) and will encourage and aid you in
further genealogical research to discover your Rice ancestral line. On the
other hand, a big difference from Edmund would indicate you are not related
to him at all, but might reveal a similarity to other Rices who are related
instead. For male Rices who already have reason to believe you are not
Edmund Rice's descendants, the comparison may reveal whether or not the
separate Rice families have some connection back in the British Isles. In
either case, it should be clear that some conventional genealogical research
will be needed in order to get the most out of the DNA results. Table 1
below has all the DNA results we have obtained to date.
You, too, can participate. We have arranged with FamilyTree DNA (FTDNA) to
offer a 12-locus DNA analysis for a reduced rate of $99 to those who join
our project. (Note: there is a similarly reduced rate for the expanded
25-locus test from FTDNA as well.) If your haplotype matches our
reconstructed haplotype for Edmund Rice, we will be very keen to learn more
about your Rice/Royce ancestral pedigree.
For more information contact our project administrator/coordinator: Bob
Rice.
Results
The following are the DNA test results we have obtained so far. As
additional information becomes available, members of the "other" group may
be separated out into new groups with identified common ancestors. In cases
of ambiguous DNA results, we will depend in part on lineages supplied by the
test subjects for determining how the groups should be constructed.
In Table 1, each line begins with a unique ID. The 4- and 5-digit ID's refer
to FTDNA results; ID's beginning with the letter "S" refer to
Sorenson/Relative Genetics results. Note: ID 1673 in Group 1 includes
results from FTDNA, Relative Genetics, and Oxford Ancestors. We show here
only the results for loci with DYS designations. Note: the table includes
the update to nomenclature for the DYS464 complex introduced by FTDNA on
2003 May 19.
The reconstructed ancestral haplotype, if known, of each group is given as
the first entry in the group, with the common ancestor's name (if known) as
the ID. Individual mutations from the relevant ancestral haplotype are
printed in red boldface. We recognize that mutations are inevitable, given
enough test subjects and/or the passage of enough time since the progenitor.
Nonetheless, these mutations are rare, as the table shows, and the
appearance of any discrepancy between the haplotypes of putatively related
individuals is cause for concern. (See the discussion of Group 2.) The
question is always whether we are so "unlucky" that a rare-but-inevitable
event occurred right here, or so "lucky" that a rare coincidence gave two
unrelated persons very similar DNA. To resolve that question, we need
conventional genealogy (as we do indeed have for the individuals assigned to
Group 1).
Test Verification
Subjects (a, b, c, d, e, f, g, . . . etc)all were tested twice
independently, once through BYU/Sorenson/Relative Genetics and once through
FTDNA. We therefore have cross-checks . . . . .
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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By Carrie A. Moore
Deseret Morning News (Utah)
In a move they believe will forever alter the way family history
research
is done, local geneticists are opening a free DNA-based genealogy database
to
the public this week.
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,595045808,00.html
James Sorenson
The Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation:
http://www.smgf.org
is expected to announce on Monday that it has established a Web site -
www.smgf.org - that allows anyone who has had a simple DNA test to input
information that may link them to their
ancestors, both known and unknown.
Scott Woodward, chief scientific officer for the foundation
established by
Utah billionaire James Sorenson, said the database is the beginning of a
project
his organization will continue to expand in size and scope over time. The
Web
site is designed to build one-sided pedigree charts - or family trees - for
those looking for their paternal ancestors through genetic testing. To use
the
database, participants must undergo an inexpensive mouth swab test done by a
genetic testing company.
Once that procedure is complete, researchers process the saliva sample
through a laboratory and come up with coding sequences that define specific
genetic markers people carry through their Y-chromosome DNA - their father's
bloodline. Those markers can then be entered into the Web site database,
which
searches for links with others whose genetic information matches their own.
Additional information:
Web sites:
Sorenson Molecular Genealogy Foundation
Related stories:
June 11, 2003: Sorenson loves work, isn't ready to retire
Sept. 7, 2003: James LeVoy Sorenson: Elusive billionaire
To date, the foundation has catalogued information about the DNA of
more
than 5,500 participants and plans to add as much new information to the
database
every three months as it is able to collect.
Though the scope of the data currently available is limited mostly to
those with West European ancestry - because the vast majority of data
already
collected has come from Americans of European descent - the database offers
the
potential of virtually unlimited expansion into family lines from every
ethnicity on Earth.
As additional people are tested and offer their genetic information -
and
their family history records - to the foundation, the larger the database
will
grow, Woodward said.
While it doesn't circumvent the need for accurate family history
data -
names, birthdates, marriage and death dates, place of birth and other vital
statistics - it supplements such information by providing what many consider
to
be definitive proof of familial relationships: a genetic "match" meaning
people
are related "with a high degree of probability," Woodward said. That
probability
is in the "high 90 percentile."
Available family history data was gathered from all those whose
genetic
information is stored in the database and will be requested from those who
want
to be a part of the database in the future.
The DNA tests are especially accurate for ancestors up to eight
generations back, he said, noting that technology makes it possible to go
back
"even 50 or 60 generations" but cautions that genetic markers become less
reliable the further back they are traced because DNA undergoes slight
alterations over time.