Hi Bill,
One of our early msgs (23 Dec located in the Archives, I'm sure) did include:
"Connect 2 Rice Lines & Carruthers Wton Cleverly Dare . . ."
& in another msg:
"2 Sarah Carruthers 1728 -
+Benjamin Rice." (see below)
Hope this helps to get you moving.
Barry
==========================
This is a snippet of our Tree including Benjamin Rice MD Sarah Carruthers:
1 John Carruthers 1700 - 1752
+Content Unk
2 Rocksolannah Carruthers 1720 -
+John Witherington 1703 -
3 William Witherington, Sr 1740/41 - 1819 (My GGG Gm)
+Elizabeth Lewis 1745 -
. . . .
2 Frances Carruthers 1732 -
+Francis Hodges Sr
3 Joshua Hodges 1736 -
2 John Carruthers, Jr 1722 - 1762
+Jane Tuncliff
2 Joseph Carruthers 1724 - 1752
2 Sarah Carruthers 1728 -
+Benjamin Rice
2 William Carruthers 1730 - 1752
3 Sarah Carruthers 1740 -
Our 'other' families include Carruthers, Hodges, Dare, Easterling,
Smith(Walter), Fitchett, and Witherington/ Widdrington, heavily in MD and NC.
Barry
============================
Below are some incidental potential insights.
Sarah Rice - Her children are:
Francis Rice -- Willed his part to his son Isham Rice.
Thomas Rice -- 5 children: William, Sally, Nancy, Charley, & Benjamin
Rice.
____ Rice --His children are:
Abraham Rice -- ( no application )
Isham Rice -- Francis Rice his _ ___ he is dec'd & his widow Jamima Rice his
Excecutor.
Fanny Rice -- Her children - Nancy Rice received her mothers part but it is
not said she was the only child.
Molly Cheatham -- no application.
Josiah Hatchett, Joseph Talbolt & Martha his wife who was Martha Hatchett,
Judith Furkering who was Judith Hatchett & William Hatchett children of
represenatives of Elizabeth Hatchett, dec'd who was Elizabeth Womack:
Note: William Hatchetts share by a special order of Charlotte County, (note:
22june1806) note further he William Hatchett is ___ this report of the
Commission called the grandson of Eliza Hatchett. How is That?
Plaintiffs VS Abner Womack, Eliza Cauthorn who was Elizabeth Womack (note
says, living in Franklin County Georgia, 90 years old in 1812)(therefore born
about the time of Robert Widdrington(e) Will of 1722, Calvert County, Md)
======================
Loudoun County Deed Book G, pp. 307-310
| | Indenture made 4th/5th September 1770 between James Carruthers of parish
| | Cameron in County Loudoun of one part and Samuel Cox of same county..
| | Witnessth for sum One hundred and thirty pounds current money of
Virginia..by
| deeds of
| | lease and release..sold parcel of land bounded..beginning at three Sycamores
| | at mouth of Pine Hill branch of Goose Creek on South side of the creek..nigh
| | the line of Jacob Lasswell..containing 247 acres which parcel of land was
| | granted by Proprietor of Northern Neck of Virginia to James Rice formerly of
| county
| | Stafford by his deed recorded in Proprietors office (1730) in Liber C page
| | 101..and James Rice (d. 1740) sold said tract of land to James Carruthers
who
| | made no disposition of same in his lifetime after his death said land
| descended
| | to and became the Estate of James Carruthers party to these presents as his
| | Eldest Son and Heir. .
| | Presence G. Johnson
| | Robert Hamilton, John Miller
| | James Carruthers
| | At a court held 10th September 1770.. Indenture and receipt endorsed
| | acknowledged..ordered to be recorded.
========================
----- Original Message -----
From: "William P. Rice" <Billrice(a)ev1.net>
To: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2003 10:18 AM
Subject: Re: [RICE-L] Jos CARRUTHERS 1757 1767 Dobbs Co NC Witherington 1791
RICE
| Hi Barry. Martha has been helping me trace out my Rice line whick
| originated in Loudoun Co. Va. My ancestors is a James Rice who lived in
| Louduon Co. Va. from 1768 utill the time he died in 1817. Apparently he had
| a brother named John who lived in Caswell Co. NC because we found a deed
| whereby James Rice received the proceeds of John Rice's estate from Caswell
| Co. NC in 1799. However, I have never found any evidence where a Rice
| married into the Carruthers or Wetherington family. Do you have such
| evidence?
|
| Happy Holidays: Bill Rice in TExas
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
| To: <RICE-L(a)rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:18 AM
| Subject: [RICE-L] Jos CARRUTHERS 1757 1767 Dobbs Co NC Witherington 1791
| RICE
|
|
| > Following up, here are more Carruthers: JOS CARRUTHERS 1757, 1767 &
| > Witheringtons 1791, & RICE from the Dobbs Co excellent Archives:
| >
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/dobbs.htm
| > (Dobbs was formed from the eastern portion of Johnston County in 1758 and
| > ceased to exist in 1791 when it became Lenoir & Glasgow )
| >
| > Barry
| >
| > PATENT GRANTED TO SOLOMON WITHERINGTON
| >
| > 10 November 1744 - Patent to SOLOMON WITHERINGTON adj Sam's Branch,
| BRIGHT,
| > his own line, Long Branch, RANEY'S, JOHN WOOTEN, BOND - 100 acres
| >
| >
| > GRANT TO THOMAS BOX - A COPY
| >
| > Copy of Grant to THOMAS BOX - 26 November 1757 - THOMAS BOX -- 200 acres
| in
| > Johnston County --- SS Neuse, South West Creek, adj JOS CARRUTHERS,
| GEORGE
| > THOMAS, GEORGE ROBERTS
| >
| >
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/colonial.txt
| > Colonial Records of Lenoir County, NC - Dobbs County, NC - Land
| >
| > Submitted for use in the USGenWeb Project Archives
| > by Martha Marble mmarble(a)erols.com
| >
| > ==============================
| > 10 Witheringtons:
| > SURVEY FOR SIMON BRIGHT, JR.
| > A platt accompanies
| > Survey June 30 1767 for SIMON BRIGHT, JR. esq - 500 acres in Dobbs - SS
| > Briery Branch near main road, adj BRIGHT'S corner of 200 acres, LINTON,
| > JOSEPH CARRUTHERS
| > Wm ORMAN, Survy.
| >
| > John Parrott
| >
| >
| > Signed, sealed, etc, in
| > the presence of us.
| > Baker, Simon House,
| > Willis Witherington,
| >
| >
| > STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA DOBBS COUNTY April Court,1791
| >
| > Then was the written will duly proved by Simon House and
| > at the same time the executors, therein named appeared and qualified as
| > such. Order of the Clerk upon letters Testamentary accordingly.
| >
| > W. Caswell, Clerk
| >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
| > Witheringtons:
| > Total number of documents: 415683 witherington(396) Restricted to
| > nc(15721) dobbs(160)
| >
| > Displaying documents 1-10 of 10
| >
| > 1. /nc/dobbs/misc/vote1788.txt [3.64697]
| > First 1788 Vote Dobbs County NC Misc Submitted for use in the USGenWeb
| > Project Archives by Guy Potts gpotts1 mindspring com Annals of Progress
| the
| > Story of Lenoir County and Kinston North Carolina by William S Powell The
| > Election in 1788 was held for delegates...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/misc/vote1788.txt
| (Tue
| > Mar 16 21:32:53 1999) , 41938 bytes
| > 2. /nc/dobbs/court/dobsett.txt [3.57944]
| > Dobbs County NC Dobbs County Settlements to the State Copyright All
| rights
| > reserved http www rootsweb com usgenweb copyright htm This file was
| > contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Russell King RolandKing51
| > aol com Dobbs County Settlements to the...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/dobsett.txt
| (Fri
| > Oct 17 21:14:36 2003) , 41007 bytes
| > 3. /nc/dobbs/deeds/colonial.txt [3.57944]
| > Colonial Records of Lenoir County NC Dobbs County NC Land Submitted for
| > use in the USGenWeb Project Archives by Martha Marble mmarble erols com
| > COLONIAL RECORDS OF LENOIR COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA ALSO KNOWN AS THE LOVIT
| > HINES COLLECTION abstracted from Microfilm...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/colonial.txt
| > (Thu Dec 3 20:45:53 1998) , 13656 bytes
| > 4. /nc/dobbs/court/dobsmis7.txt [3.54567]
| > Dobbs County NC Miscellaneous Court Records Copyright All rights
| reserved
| > http www rootsweb com usgenweb copyright htm This file was contributed for
| > use in the USGenWeb Archives by Russell King RolandKing51 aol com DSCR 206
| > 325 2 1783 Dobbs County John Ward...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/dobsmis7.txt
| > (Wed Nov 5 18:14:00 2003) , 34354 bytes
| > 5. /nc/dobbs/court/court5.txt [3.54567]
| > Dobbs County NC Dobbs and Lenoir County Court Records 1783 1794
| Copyright
| > All rights reserved http www rootsweb com usgenweb copyright htm This file
| > was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Russell King
| > RolandKing51 aol com DSCR 206 325 2 1783 Dobbs...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/court5.txt
| (Mon
| > Oct 13 18:41:24 2003) , 38720 bytes
| > 6. /nc/dobbs/military/dobbswar1.txt [3.54567]
| > NC Dobbs County Military Dobbs Militia USGENWEB NOTICE In keeping with
| our
| > policy of providing free information on the Internet data may be used by
| non
| > commercial entities as long as this message remains on all copied material
| > These electronic pages may NOT...
| >
| > a..
|
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/military/dobbswar1.txt
| > (Thu Sep 14 19:51:23 2000) , 15577 bytes
| > 7. /nc/dobbs/military/men_over_age.txt [3.5119]
| > NC Dobbs Military Men Over Age in Dobbs County NC 1781 USGENWEB ARCHIVES
| > NOTICE These electronic pages may NOT be reproduced in any format for
| profit
| > or presentation by any other organization or persons Persons or
| > organizations desiring to use this material...
| >
| > a..
| >
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/military/men_over_age.txt
| (Thu
| > Dec 20 17:55:15 2001) , 3982 bytes
| > 8. /nc/dobbs/court/dobbs1781.txt [3.5119]
| > Dobbs County NC Dobbs Militia 1781 File contributed for use in USGenWeb
| > Archives by Grace Williamson Turner Transcribed and posted by Lori Price
| > Cobb jhcobb iquest net A Discriptive List of the men raised in the Dobbs
| > Regt of Militia to serve Twelve months...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/dobbs1781.txt
| > (Sat Dec 22 20:30:04 2001) , 4123 bytes
| > 9. /nc/dobbs/court/court3.txt [3.5119]
| > Dobbs County NC Dobbs and Lenoir County Court Records 1768 1801
| Copyright
| > All rights reserved http www rootsweb com usgenweb copyright htm This file
| > was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Russell King
| > RolandKing51 aol com DSCR 206 301 3 Jurors...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/court3.txt
| (Mon
| > Oct 13 18:41:18 2003) , 8405 bytes
| > 10. /nc/dobbs/wills/jnparrot.txt [3.5119]
| > Will of John Parrott County of Dobbs NC April 5 1791 State of North
| > Carolina By the Instance of the County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions
| > for the County of Dobbs It being certified to us that John Parrott late of
| > Dobbs County is dead and hath made his...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/wills/jnparrot.txt
| > (Wed Sep 9 21:57:41 1998) , 7071 bytes
| > ...........................
| > and Carruthers:
| > Total number of documents: 415683 carruthers(1203) Restricted to
| nc(15721)
| > dobbs(160)
| >
| > Displaying documents 1-4 of 4
| >
| > 1. /nc/dobbs/deeds/grantorindex5.txt [3.6184]
| > a..
| >
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/grantorindex5.txt (Mon
| > Aug 14 15:08:43 2000) , 20578 bytes
| > 2. /nc/dobbs/deeds/colonial.txt [3.20089]
| > Colonial Records of Lenoir County NC Dobbs County NC Land Submitted for
| > use in the USGenWeb Project Archives by Martha Marble mmarble erols com
| > COLONIAL RECORDS OF LENOIR COUNTY NORTH CAROLINA ALSO KNOWN AS THE LOVIT
| > HINES COLLECTION abstracted from Microfilm...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/colonial.txt
| > (Thu Dec 3 20:45:53 1998) , 13656 bytes
| > 3. /nc/dobbs/deeds/robhamil.txt [3.20089]
| > Petition of Robert Hamilton for Resurvey of Land Dobbs County NC
| Submitted
| > for use in the USGenWeb Project Archives by Francis R Hodges frhodges gate
| > net Petition of Robert Hamilton for Resurvey of Land Dobbs County 1773
| > Original in the North Carolina Archives...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/robhamil.txt
| > (Wed Sep 9 21:56:17 1998) , 3125 bytes
| > 4. /nc/dobbs/wills/jnparrot.txt [3.06172]
| > Will of John Parrott County of Dobbs NC April 5 1791 State of North
| > Carolina By the Instance of the County Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions
| > for the County of Dobbs It being certified to us that John Parrott late of
| > Dobbs County is dead and hath made his...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/wills/jnparrot.txt
| > (Wed Sep 9 21:57:41 1998) , 7071 bytes
| >
| >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
| > RICE:
| > Total number of documents: 415683 rice(29609) Restricted to nc(15721)
| > dobbs(160)
| > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------
| --
| > ----
| > Displaying documents 1-10 of 10
| >
| > 1. /nc/dobbs/deeds/grantorindex5.txt [1.34246]
| > a..
| >
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/grantorindex5.txt (Mon
| > Aug 14 15:08:43 2000) , 20578 bytes
| > 2. /nc/dobbs/deeds/dobbsd.txt [1.33528]
| > Dobbs County NC Dobbs County Deeds Copyright All rights reserved http
| www
| > rootsweb com usgenweb copyright htm This file was contributed for use in
| the
| > USGenWeb Archives by Russell King RolandKing51 aol com John BARR to Thomas
| > WILLIAMS E Apr 1762 John CREECH...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/deeds/dobbsd.txt
| (Wed
| > Nov 5 17:43:22 2003) , 10141 bytes
| > 3. /nc/dobbs/taxlists/dobbs2.txt [1.33528]
| > 1769 Tax List Dobbs County NC Submitted for use in the USGenWeb Project
| > Archives by Jerome Tew jdtew esn net DOBBS CO 1769 TAXABLES male BY Jerome
| > Tew Some names edited White Blk ADAIR James 1 ADAMS Andrew and Wife and
| son
| > 2 ALDRIDGE Drew 1 ALDRIDGE Thomas...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/taxlists/dobbs2.txt
| > (Wed Sep 30 20:17:46 1998) , 21243 bytes
| > 4. /nc/dobbs/military/dobbswar1.txt [1.3281]
| > NC Dobbs County Military Dobbs Militia
| >
| > a..
|
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/military/dobbswar1.txt
| > (Thu Sep 14 19:51:23 2000) , 15577 bytes
| > 5. /nc/dobbs/court/chalcraf.txt [1.3281]
| > Dobbs County NC Court Records File contributed for use in USGenWeb
| > Archives by Grace Williamson Turner Transcribed and posted by Lori Price
| > Cobb jhcobb iquest net The Public of North Carolina to Capt John
| Chalcrafts
| > Company of the Dobbs Militia in February...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/chalcraf.txt
| > (Sun Jan 20 15:16:41 2002) , 3581 bytes
| > 6. /nc/dobbs/court/court5.txt [1.3281]
| > Dobbs County NC Dobbs and Lenoir County Court Records 1783 1794 This
| file
| > was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by Russell King
| > RolandKing51 aol com DSCR 206 325 2 1783 Dobbs...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/court5.txt
| (Mon
| > Oct 13 18:41:24 2003) , 38720 bytes
| > 7. /nc/dobbs/court/smithbass.txt [1.3281]
| > Dobbs County NC Court Records File contributed for use in USGenWeb
| > Archives by Grace Williamson Turner Retyped and posted by Sue Guptill
| > sguptill mindspring com North Carolina New Bern district George the Third
| by
| > the Grace of God of Great Britain France Ireland...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/smithbass.txt
| > (Thu Jan 3 15:48:37 2002) , 1925 bytes
| > 8. /nc/dobbs/court/01ormond.txt [1.3281]
| > Dobbs County NC Court Records File contributed for use in USGenWeb
| > Archives by Grace Williamson Turner Retyped and posted by Annette Roebuck
| > aroebuck hotmail com Source Secretary of State 1721 1775 Petitions for Re
| > survey of Land Land Grants Dobbs County S...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/01ormond.txt
| > (Sun Feb 3 14:14:58 2002) , 4229 bytes
| > 9. /nc/dobbs/court/fuller01.txt [1.3281]
| > Dobbs County NC Court Records File contributed for use in USGenWeb
| > Archives by Grace Williamson Turner Retyped and posted by Annette Roebuck
| > aroebuck hotmail com From Secretary of State Records 1709 1779 Court
| Records
| > Box 312 North Carolina New Bern District...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/fuller01.txt
| > (Thu Jan 3 13:02:04 2002) , 1921 bytes
| > 10. /nc/dobbs/court/dobsmis7.txt [1.3281]
| > Dobbs County NC Miscellaneous Court Records This file was contributed
| for
| > use in the USGenWeb Archives by Russell King RolandKing51 aol com DSCR 206
| > 325 2 1783 Dobbs County John Ward...
| >
| > a..
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/court/dobsmis7.txt
| > (Wed Nov 5 18:14:00 2003) , 34354 bytes
| >
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
| > COLONIAL RECORDS OF LENOIR COUNTY, NORTH CAROLINA ALSO KNOWN AS THE LOVIT
| > HINES COLLECTION - abstracted from Microfilm Roll MF - 95 by Martha
| > Mewborn Marble
| >
| > NOTE: Lovit Hines collected as many originals or copies of original
| > documents located in private hands as he knew about and had the NC
| Archives
| > place said documents on microfilm. Some of these original documents are
| > still in the possession of private individuals and some have been placed
| at
| > the NC Archives or other institutions in Collections. I have tried not to
| > duplicate individual records already abstracted from various sources
| > especially the Edwards Collection where the original Hill and many of the
| > Hardee documents are found. No doubt many of the originals of records in
| > this Collection are in the James Hines and Wiatt Hines Collections, but
| > they have not been abstracted as yet. The researcher also needs to refer
| > to the Lenoir County Archives Page for those records dated after Dobbs
| > County was abolished.
| >
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
| > To: <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
| > Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 4:45 AM
| > Subject: [Carruthers] Greatest Rev War Caswell W'ton story I know
| >
| >
| > > Hi again Martha Rice, [& Pat Nelson <Pat Nelson> nels095(a)ibm.net
&
| Caswell
| > Co-L etc]
| > >
| > > In your &/or Rice-L emails, there is mention of Caswell Co & Pat
| Nelson
| > nels095(a)ibm.net:
| > > ===================
| > > "stonewall jackson wrote: Pat, No, I don't mind at all. What I have
been
| > able to get out of it so far is that
| > > Sarah Womack married a Rice. Their children were Thomas (father of Wm.
| > Sally, Nancy, Charles, and Benjamin), Francis (widow Jamima and son
| Isham),
| > Abraham, Fanny Rice (may be a widow of a son of Sarah's had daughter
| Nancy),
| > Elizabeth who married a Puckett, and another son the name was not ledgible
| I
| > suppose. ...
| > > Elizabeth Cauthorn was born in 1722 ((again, the date of Robt
| > Widdrington's MD will). She was the child of Abraham Womack, Sr. of
| LIncoln
| > Co., NC. I suppose Sarah Womack Rice was the daughter of William Womack of
| > Charlotte Co., VA. Hi Paul, I am not related to any of the ones listed in
| > the will but I wondered if you would mind if I forward it to Caswell Co.
| > list. It might be of help and I know some of the ones there are
| researching
| > the Rice family. Pat Nelson nels095(a)ibm.net"
| > > ===================
| > > which reminded me of the Greatest Rev War/founding of this country
| > Caswell W'ton story I know, which I have in other circumstances described
| as
| > the Story of the Theft of the Federal Convention Ballot Box, written by
| > William S. Powell.
| > >
| > > [Incidently, the actual votes of the American/ NC citizens who voted
| > were recorded (in a columnar format), (now at:
| >
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/misc/vote1788.txt)
| > > and published, (at least for those who voted before the Theft), perhaps
| a
| > first and, as far as I know, last recordation of a citizen's actual
| federal
| > vote].
| > >
| > > Unfortunately, I found no Rices involved, but in deference to the
| Rice
| > email refd in the msg pointed out to me, see below, here 'tis FYI.
| > Hopefully, if a Rice researcher is involved somehow, someone on Rice-L
| will
| > know and advise us. The story is of LENOIR Co (then or now Dobbs? Co)
| > origin.
| > >
| > > Barry Wetherington 12/24/2003
| > > ======================
| > > First 1788 Vote - Dobbs County, NC - Misc.
| > >
| > >
http://c-23.rootsweb.com/usgenweb/archives/nc/dobbs/misc/vote1788.txt
| > (Original location, see below for current handling - Thanks to Guy Potts &
| > Martha Marble, among others)
| > >
| > >
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/nc/dobbs/misc/vote1788.txt
| > >
| > >
| >
|
http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/N/NCDOBBS+1
| 999+97184453+F
| > >
| > >
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/nc/dobbs.htm