Hi Anne,
I do understand your scepticism, but you have a difficult burden, trying
to prove a negative. We may test your good nature ('criticism w/a smile'). I
also think you must directly address the NC Wills abstracts copied by Betty;
in particular:
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BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.
and also:
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760 p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS (my lot in Newbern Town).
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, oturney at law.
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William CARRUTHERS, Sr
No probate.
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We've known about Abiah Bangs for a long time, which is why, a few months
ago, I started looking in the Bangs Archives, and discussed w/Christine
since we had been aware of this clue for some time but had not pursured it.
You mention Bangs is well documented - There are either 3 or 4 Bangs
listed here:
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744
Wife Abiah (Bangs?)
Daughter: Betty BANGS
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
and Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Are these facts consistent w/that documentation? If not, then it may be
time to question the 'documentation' - speaking of which, I understand there
are some 60 boxes in the Yale collection. I doubt that collection been
reviewed for this issue.
And what about Christine's statement:
"Jonathan Bangs and John Carruthers bought land 1738 in New Bern, Craven
Co., NC next to each other and moved in 1739 from Mass to Nc."
There is more, more that is strong, but these statements would seem to
shift the burden to those who question the connections. A spirited but
professional discussion is an excellent method, an adversarial approach to
establish issues, such as the Genealogy of the Bangs - Carruthers Lines,
and those associated w/them.
Best wishes,
Barry
From: Grammgault(a)aol.com
To: cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com, Bangs-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Bangs - Carruthers Evidence Proofs
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2002 00:05:54 EST
Hi Barry,
I am still a bit mystified on the proof that Content was a Bangs and sister
to Jonathan. I have checked all of the published books on the Bangs family
and have not been able to place the "Content" that has been mentioned with
this family. Bangs is a family that has been reasonably well documented. in
NEHGR, The Mayflower Series, Bangs Family in America by Dean Dudley, "Great
Migration Begins" by R.C. Anderson. I even checked the Internet sites to no
avail.
It is documented that the immigrant Edward (1) had 3 sons, John(2),
Joshua(2), and Jonathan(2), however only Jonathan(2) had sons that lived to
marry and have children.
They were Edward(3) who m. Ruth Allen, Jonathan(3), who m. Elizabeth and
Elizabeth Berry, and finally Samuel(3) who m. Mary Hinckley.
Edward(3) had a son Jonathan(4) bp. 23 May 1707 who m. Phebe Hopkins(wid. of
Samuel Bangs Jr.). This Jonathan died 7 Dec. 1745.
Jonathan(3) had a s. Jonathan b. Dec. 1698. It is possible that this is the
Jonathan who m. Abiah Carruthers and noted a sister Thankful Covell in his
will. However there is no mention anywhere of a sister Content either in
his will, his fathers will or in any of the books on the Bangs family.
Samuel(3) did not have a son named Jonathan.
So, of the 3 sons, only one could have contributed the Jonathan in question
which if there is clear documention per his will connects back to the
original Edward. A marriage contract to Abiah would be added proof.
However, it still leaves the parentage of Content. I respectfully question
the supposition that she was a Bangs based solely on her marriage to a
Carruthers. Has a marriage contract been found that lists her as Bangs or a
will that lists her as formerly a Bangs.
I welcome all comments and criticisms with a smile.
Regards Anne
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