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Thanks Jean,
Looks like you have the Harberts. What a coincidence: "Ruhamah Caruthers aged
45, wid of John Caruthers"
Do you have this John Carruthers family ['wid of John Caruthers'] also? Are
you spending any time looking into the Bangs? Have you looked at "the other
books in the Revolutionary War Bible Records series," as mentioned by Rochelle
(copied), who sure has a handle on this research. (You probably just rec'd
Rochelle's new email).
Best, Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean" <jow(a)kua.net>
To: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarry(a)attbi.com>; <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>;
"Rochelle White" <rochelle(a)whiteproperties.com>
Cc: "BarryAtt" <cbarry(a)attbi.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Carruthers] John & Ruhamah Caruthers
| This appears to be the same Harbert family:
|
| a.. Name: Samuel HARBERT
| a.. Given Name: Samuel
| a.. Surname: HARBERT
| a.. Sex: M
| a.. Birth: 1760 in Burlington, New Jersey
| a.. Death: 24 Feb 1847 in Jones Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| a.. Burial: Feb 1847 Jones Run, Harrison, West Virginia
|
| Father: Thomas HARBERT b: 9 Jul 1734 in Mm., New Jersey
| Mother: Isabel WRIGHT b: 1738 in Burlington, New Jersey
|
| Marriage 1 Abigail LOOFBURROW b: 12 Apr 1766 in Of Nolan Run, Harrison, West
| Virginia
| a.. Married: 3 Jan 1788
| Children
| 1.. Samuel HARBERT b: 15 Nov 1789 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 2.. Nathan HARBERT b: Abt 1791 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 3.. John HARBERT b: 1794 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 4.. Isaih HARBERT b: 15 Oct 1797 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 5.. Sarah HARBERT b: 13 Jan 1799 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 6.. Ruhama HARBERT b: Abt 1800 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 7.. Rebecca HARBERT b: 1800 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 8.. Benjamin HARBERT b: 1804 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 9.. Mary HARBERT b: Abt 1804 in Nolan Run, Harrison, West Virginia
| 10.. Elizabeth HARBERT b: 20 Feb 1806
| This is another family and timeframe as the Carruthers who md John
| Witherington
|
| Jean
| jow(a)kua.net
| We all have ancestors buried in our past
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarry(a)attbi.com>
| To: <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>; "Rochelle White"
| <rochelle(a)whiteproperties.com>
| Cc: "BarryAtt" <cbarry(a)attbi.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 5:32 PM
| Subject: Re: [Carruthers] John & Ruhamah Caruthers
|
|
| > Hi Rochelle,
| >
| > You sure dug deep to locate this Gem! Still, it's quite puzzling. We
| have
| > Rocksolannah as dau of John Carruthers [will of 1751 confirms], not
| widdow. She
| > was widdow of John Witherington (& possibly/likely of ? Martin).While it
| seems
| > to suggest Rocksolannah widow of John Carruthers, I'm a bit confused what
| the
| > entry is - and what is this an excerpt of? Perhaps "Ruhamah Caruthers aged
| 45,
| > wid of John Caruthers" meant dau of John. But problems remain. Of course,
| > "Ruhamah" is not Rocksolannah.
| >
| > Would you interpret it to be a suggestion that Rocksolannah was a
| member of
| > the Harbert family? We were aware she was md to a Martin before John
| > Witherington, and there had been a suggestion she might have had a 3d
| husband.
| > Can you explain the dates? (Is the "[ages given in 1860]" accurate???).
| 'Our'
| > Rocksolannah was b approx 1720, so her age 45 would suggest the date of
| the
| > excerpt would be abt 1765 to abt 1780, depending. But the piece seems to
| suggest
| > she was age 45 on 1860, and would therefore have a birth date of 1815, aby
| 100
| > yrs later than heretofore estimated - , or 1847, but how could that she
| would
| > be. Of course, it is not your duty to explain this, but . . . .
| >
| > I'm confused!
| >
| > Barry
| >
| > ----- Original Message -----
| > From: "Rochelle White" <rochelle(a)whiteproperties.com>
| > To: <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
| > Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:47 PM
| > Subject: [Carruthers] John & Ruhamah Caruthers
| >
| >
| > | I received the other books in the Revolutionary War Bible Records series
| > | today and found the following entry:
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | VA/VA Samuel Harbert b VA 1760. In 1832 sol res Harrison Co., VA. d
| > | Feb 1847, VA leaving 8 ch.: [ages given in 1860] John Harbert aged 70;
| > | Isaiah Harbert aged 62; Samuel Harbert, aged 60; Benjamin Harbert aged
| > | ca 54; Ruhamah Caruthers aged 45, wid of John Caruthers; all of whom res
| > | Harrison Co.; Rebecca Harvey aged 56, wf of Basil Harvey res OH; Sarah
| > | Harvey if living aged 64 wid of Jonathon Harvey; and Elizabeth Harbert
| > | if living aged 68; if living all res Utah Territory. S-15447
| > |
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Barry:
This listing is excerpted from an application for pension for
Revolutionary War service by Samuel Harbert. Ruhamah is listed as
Samuel's daughter, age 45 in 1860 which puts her birth at 1815, probably
in VA since Samuel's birth in 1760 and his place of residence when he
applied for the pension in 1832 were both VA. I put in the entry
exactly as it was in the book Revolutionary War Period Bible, Family &
Marriage Records by Chan Edmondson and John Sobieski. The only way to
know if this was extracted correctly would be to request the file No.
S-15447 from the National Archives. The "S" at the beginning of the
file no. indicates Samuel made the application himself as a "Survivor".
"W" at the beginning of a file number indicates a Widow's application
and "R" is a Rejected application.
Was there not another John Caruthers, b ca 1800 living in VA 1830-35
when Ruhamah would probably be getting married, and died prior to 1860
that she might be the widow of?
I can't quite figure out why the ages are listed as of 1860. The wife
is not mentioned, only the children. The listing says Samuel Harbert
died in 1847. Does anyone know why there would be a paper on file that
listed a Revolutionary War soldier's children in 1860? Were the
children allowed to continue collection Samuel's pension?
The authors of the book state that the information for the book came
from Selected Records from Revolutionary War Pensions and Bounty-Land
Warrant Application Files, 1800-1900. Micro Publications M-805, (Record
Group 15), National Archives Publication. "The authors suggest that the
entire record be read for affidavits, soldier's military record, and
other information that has not been abstracted for this publication."
My suggestion would be to check the microfilm for the entire record.
Perhaps there is something there that would answer our questions.
I did some further checking at Ancestry.com on Samuel Harbert. I found
him on the 1830 Harrison Co., VA census, but since that census is listed
alphabetically, not geographically, it doesn't tell us how close John
Caruthers lived to him as John is listed on page 362 with a female age
20-30 (probably Ruhamah). I found Samuel on the 1840 Harrison Co., VA
census age 70-80. I did not find John Caruthers in Harrison Co. in
1840.
I have also found on Ancestry a marriage record for Samuel Harbert to
Abigail Loofburrow 1 Dec 1788 in Harrison Co., VA. Apparently Harrison
Co. is now in West Virginia as Samuel's grave is listed in Harrison Co.,
WV.
Hi Rochelle,
You sure dug deep to locate this Gem! Still, it's quite puzzling. We have
Rocksolannah as dau of John Carruthers [will of 1751 confirms], not widdow. She
was widdow of John Witherington (& possibly/likely of ? Martin).While it seems
to suggest Rocksolannah widow of John Carruthers, I'm a bit confused what the
entry is - and what is this an excerpt of? Perhaps "Ruhamah Caruthers aged 45,
wid of John Caruthers" meant dau of John. But problems remain. Of course,
"Ruhamah" is not Rocksolannah.
Would you interpret it to be a suggestion that Rocksolannah was a member of
the Harbert family? We were aware she was md to a Martin before John
Witherington, and there had been a suggestion she might have had a 3d husband.
Can you explain the dates? (Is the "[ages given in 1860]" accurate???). 'Our'
Rocksolannah was b approx 1720, so her age 45 would suggest the date of the
excerpt would be abt 1765 to abt 1780, depending. But the piece seems to suggest
she was age 45 on 1860, and would therefore have a birth date of 1815, aby 100
yrs later than heretofore estimated - , or 1847, but how could that she would
be. Of course, it is not your duty to explain this, but . . . .
I'm confused!
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rochelle White" <rochelle(a)whiteproperties.com>
To: <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: [Carruthers] John & Ruhamah Caruthers
| I received the other books in the Revolutionary War Bible Records series
| today and found the following entry:
|
|
|
| VA/VA Samuel Harbert b VA 1760. In 1832 sol res Harrison Co., VA. d
| Feb 1847, VA leaving 8 ch.: [ages given in 1860] John Harbert aged 70;
| Isaiah Harbert aged 62; Samuel Harbert, aged 60; Benjamin Harbert aged
| ca 54; Ruhamah Caruthers aged 45, wid of John Caruthers; all of whom res
| Harrison Co.; Rebecca Harvey aged 56, wf of Basil Harvey res OH; Sarah
| Harvey if living aged 64 wid of Jonathon Harvey; and Elizabeth Harbert
| if living aged 68; if living all res Utah Territory. S-15447
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
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I received the other books in the Revolutionary War Bible Records series
today and found the following entry:
VA/VA Samuel Harbert b VA 1760. In 1832 sol res Harrison Co., VA. d
Feb 1847, VA leaving 8 ch.: [ages given in 1860] John Harbert aged 70;
Isaiah Harbert aged 62; Samuel Harbert, aged 60; Benjamin Harbert aged
ca 54; Ruhamah Caruthers aged 45, wid of John Caruthers; all of whom res
Harrison Co.; Rebecca Harvey aged 56, wf of Basil Harvey res OH; Sarah
Harvey if living aged 64 wid of Jonathon Harvey; and Elizabeth Harbert
if living aged 68; if living all res Utah Territory. S-15447
I'm going to the library , tomorrow so I will look up for william under
the other spelling and I did not see any under Rochlanah but I will look
again and see its a ref's book in the gene- Dept. Will let you know something tomorrow.
Deb
Hello Deb....
Saw your notice re: Lubbock Library...and wonder if William Carithers of
Abbeville SC was listed...Hope so...Hope this is not inconvenient to ask..
Regards, Jan McChesney
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah" <cricket1(a)door.net>
To: <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:06 AM
Subject: [Carruthers] Carruthers family
> Just found a book in the ,Lubbock library its called [Scots in the
> Carolinas ] John and Content are listed being in Carven Co. and a book
> called Surnames of Scotland and the Carruthers name is in there more
> than 30 times and the spellings are so different. form Carutherys,
> Karrutheris , Carrothorys , Karuther , Carotheris , Carruderys ,
Caruders.
> Caruthris. Caruyeris.. So what do you think of this ????????????
>
> Deb
>
>
>
>
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Just found a book in the ,Lubbock library its called [Scots in the
Carolinas ] John and Content are listed being in Carven Co. and a book
called Surnames of Scotland and the Carruthers name is in there more
than 30 times and the spellings are so different. form Carutherys,
Karrutheris , Carrothorys , Karuther , Carotheris , Carruderys , Caruders.
Caruthris. Caruyeris.. So what do you think of this ????????????
Deb
Well there is not a fool proof way to save your research all the way
but I have drove my Kids insane with the promise to keep my work and
pass it down and when it needed to be up graded they would do so.
I even started on my Grandchildren. so I hope it dose go a little ways
down the yrs. our I will come back and haunt them.
Deb
Hi Genealogists,
Sometimes, we should take in the broad strokes of our endeavor. Consequently,
think about this:
1/2/3
Today is the only time for 10 centuries (a millennium), or about 30-40
generations, that we will be able to again accurately use that unique date:
1/2/3
What will your family/descendants be doing, & where will it be doing it, the
next time we can use 1/2/3 as 'today's date? Would you like to be able to
communicate with (send your Tree down to) your living descendants, if any, on
the next 1/2/3!!! It is, of course, theoretically possible to do so - we would
need to devise a manner to preserve a format to record the message (DVD might
work), in an understandable form of communication (English? Esperanto? sign
language? mathematics? engraved into stone or base metal? written onto papyrus.
etc?), and perhaps most difficult, alerting your 40G Gson or Gdaughter of the
existence of the message.
Of course, while electronic preservation, in digital format, would be the
most easily translateable, we know how often abandoned, extinguished or obsolete
technology gets in the way (when did you last show your old super 8 movies or
project your slides? Been playing old 33s or 45 RPM records? How about your old
reel to reel tapes of the Oldies? Can you still access data from your old 5 1/4"
floppie disks?)
And where will the message be kept for 1000 yrs? Even the buried time vaults
are often to be opened after 100 yrs, but they often have the advantage of being
buried in a building's foundation (how many of those are lost in demolition?).
Recall, we are aware of some info of families 10 centuries ago - in fact,
there is direct information of my namesake (unk if ancestors) Widdringtons in
the English middle/medieval ages, of around 1000 +/- 100 yrs, so it can be done.
Is anyone aware of such arrangements?
Barry Wetherington
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Deborah,
It's not important! I'm looking for a lady who is a Carruthers but not in my line as yet! It will be difficult to find anything cos he was in an orphanage!
Hope new years was a good celebration for you! I was very drunk on Tuesday night! Had a great night but the hangover the next day was grade 3
Say g'day to Amanda for me!
If you want to send something by snail mail, the address is:
308 Gowan Road
SUNNYBANK HILLS, Qld, 4109
Australia.
But please don't go to any trouble.
Take care and go looking for that '64 Mustang. They were a good looking car. I won't ask what you got up to in the Chevy though.
Phillip Carruthers
Brisbane, Queensland,
AUSTRALIA
Home Phone +617 3273 5531
Work Phone +617 3221 9277
Work Fax +617 3229 5475
Mobile 0411 643 427
Home e-mail pcarruth(a)bigpond.net.au
Work e-mail p.carruthers(a)ndy.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Deborah
To: CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:09 AM
Subject: [Carruthers] James Carruthers
Phillip and all
I have a listing for several Jame's , John's , William's, Jessie's , and Thomas's
listed in the British Isles Country Scotland there births , christening , deaths,
marriages .If you want a copy would probably have to snail- mail the print
is very small might not show to well if scanned
Deb
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List,
I'm looking to contact Bronwyn Petty who used to live in Melbourne Australia. She is related to me through my CARRUTHERS line.
If anyone has contact deals for I would appreciate hearing of them.
Phillip Carruthers
Brisbane, Queensland,
AUSTRALIA
Home Phone +617 3273 5531
Work Phone +617 3221 9277
Work Fax +617 3229 5475
Mobile 0411 643 427
Home e-mail pcarruth(a)bigpond.net.au
Work e-mail p.carruthers(a)ndy.com
Rochelle
I have a William Carruthers that was married to a Sarah Harvey he serviced
in the Revolutionary war according to what I have he was discharged on
4-29-1782 in Rowan co NC , but I have him in GA . You list a William
Carruthers buying land from a Thomas Gregg march 6 1792 I have it on
march the 3rd 1798 I know there could be an error on the dates. but I do
believe this might be my 4th GGrandfather . and I also have Him selling
land to his son Andrew Carruthers on 12- 2 1806 in Franklin co near
Nale Creek. but in late 1807 Andrew ( my 3rd GGrandfather ) With his
wife Catherine Elizabeth Howell and there children Elizabeth , Jennie ,
Andrew M , Catherine , and William Howell ( My 2st GGrand father)
along with Andrews brothers Samuel , William , and sister Naomi
all moved to Hickman co Tenn. I have William dying in 1811
Im still trying to find out where I do believe it might have been Elbert
or Wilkes co's , Still trying to get more information for the DRA.
I have deed records for Carven Co Nc if anyone would like they
go from 1729=1758.
Deb