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Hello Rosemary and list,
I do not know why our Carruthers seem to disappear? Below might be one reason
we are having a hard time in locating them.
Jean
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This is a foot note of page 67.
<<this must refer to the bank crash of 1790. This is where I loose track of
John Carruthers who married Grizell Hill about 1765. >>>
page 134-135 [same source]
The want of money in Scotland, and the love of war and adventure which
characterized her hardy sons, induced many of the younger members of the
Scottish families to take service in the armies on the Continent,
particularly during the reign of Oliver Cromwell and after the accession of
William III., when political reasons deterred some of them from accepting a
commission under the Princes whom they considered to be usurpers. To be a
Scotsman was undoubtedly a drawback to promotion in England till the reign of
George III. or later, and the British army was very small compared to what it
is now, and a commission and outfit more expensive than in a foreign force.
A journey by land to London cost more than from Leith to Holland or Bremen by
sea. But the sons of Scottish ministers till far into the present century
crowded into the ranks of the Scottish regiments, and were distinguished for
their courage and steadiness. There was not space in Scotland for the number
of educated men who annually left the colleges in search of employment, so
the list of the pioneers in India, America, and the West Indies is filled
with Scottish names, and every army on the Continent, including, the Turkish,
contained officers of Scottish birth. One instance was Patrick Gordon, who
entered the Swedish army under the grandfather of Charles XII. In a war with
Poland he was captured by the enemy, and as the Poles in those days seldom
exchanged prisoners, he took service with the King of Poland, who was then at
war with Russia. He was impressed with the miserable condition of some
Russian prisoners of war in a dungeon in Warsaw, and did his best to keep
them from starvation; and in a subsequent battle with the Czar Alexis of
Muscovy (father to Peter the Great), when he fell into the hands of the
Russians, the Czar sent for him to thank him for having, as he had heard,
"been kind to his poor subjects in Warsaw." Thereupon Gordon offered his
sword to Muscovy. He and his son, and another Scotsman named Bruce, assisted
the Russian armies throughout the reign of Peter the Great, and the younger
Gordon published by far the best work on the reign of that monarch.
Admiral Gordon, in the service of Catherine I., was employed by Prince James,
the old Chevalier, as the English Jacobite envoy at the Russian Court.
Christopher Carlile, one of the Cumberland Newbie branch, commanded the
Russian navy when Carmichael was governor of Pleskof, under Ivan the
Terrible. He had married a daughter of Sir Francis Walsingham, and, as
befitted the descendant of crusaders, he wrote a book against the commercial
treaty which was formed between the Turks
Note:
Speed (tenip. James VI.) describes the Scottish gentry and nobility as very
studious of learning, for which end they not only frequent the Universities;
but also much addict themselves to travel in foreign countries.
THE
HISTORICAL FAMILIES
OF DUMFRIESSHIRE
AND THE BORDER WARS.
BY
C. L. JOHNSTONE.
SECOND EDITION.
DUMFRIES: ANDERSON & SON.
EDINBURGH AND GLASGOW: JOHN MENZIES & CO.
LONDON: SIMPKIN, MARSHALL, & CO.
====================
Page 66-69 THE HISTORICAL FAMILIES
The Carruthers family appear to have been in Dumfriesshire as far back as the
Kirkpatricks, and are first found on the lands of Carruthers in the modern
parish of Middlebie. Thomas, son of Robert Carruthers, received a grant of
Mouswald from Robert Bruce. Their estate stretched northward into the
district of Wamphray, which they shared with the Laird of Johnstone, and they
were made Barons of Mouswald in the 15tb century. Simon Carruthers and his
wife, Catherine Carlile, had a charter of lands in Cummertrees in 1516, and
their son Simon married Agnes, a daughter of Murray of Cockpool. Their
grandson, Simon, married Marion Johnstone, and left two daughters, Janet and
Marion. The elder married Rorison of Barndennoch, and a curious bond
relating to the younger daughter is dated Edinburgh, September 13, 1563-" The
which day Thomas Borthick of Pryncade and Michael Borthick of Glengall became
pledges and securities for Marion Carruthers, one of the two heiresses of
Mouswald, that she shall not marry any chief traitor nor broken man (i. e.,
outlaw and adventurer not belonging to a clan) of the country, nor join
herself with any such person under the pain of one thousand pounds."
In 1426 Roger Carruthers, a son of the Laird of Mouswald, had a charter from
DougIas, Lord of Galloway and Annandale, of Holimains, with Dalton and other
lands; and his descendants branched off into the families of Holilmains,
Wormanbie,and Dormont. They owned estates bordering on Lockerbie, Lochmaben,
Annan, and Kirkpatrick-Fleming; and when the town of Annan received a charter
in 1538, they prevented the boundary of the burgh being defined where it
joined their property, so that at some future time they might quietly annex
it. The Laird of Holmains, with 162 followers, was compelled to surrender to
the English after the battle of Pinkie, in 1547, and was among those chiefs
who were declared traitors by the Parliament of Scotland in 1548. This Laird
John Carruthers was married to Blanche Murray of Cockpool, and one of their
daughters married Gilbert Johnstone of Wamphray. Another (Marion) married
John Johnstone of Newbie. A son of Carruthers was parson of Wamphray, which
at that period was by no means the same as having taken holy orders; for one
of the crimes against which John Knox preached most loudly was the alienation
of the Church lands and tithes to secular purposes a practice carried to an
extreme in Scotland before the Reformation. Even the Abbots were sometimes
seculars. There is an agreement, dated January, 1561, between Robert
Johnstone, himself a lay parson of Lochmaben, and Margaret M'Clellan, the
widow of his uncle, James Johnstone of Wamphray, to the effect that, "
Forasmuch as the said Robert having obtained a lease of Sir James Carruthers,
parson of Wamphray, of the whole parsonage and vicarage, tithes, fruits, and
endowments pertaining to the said parsonage and vicarage, for the space of
his lifetime, and the said Margaret having had the parsonage, vicarage, and
endowments thereof from the said Sir James for his lifetime before the lease
since made to the said Robert, which was wrongly and evil given against all
law and good conscience, and in hurt and prejudice of the said Margaret's
lease before expressed; therefore the said Robert gives up the letters of
lease to the said Margaret to be used by her from henceforth." Signed by
James Rigg, Mungo Carmichael, and the master of Maxwell. Margaret being
unable to write her hand was guided by the notary.
---------------
John Carruthers of Holmains, married to Charlotte, daughter of Sir Robert
Laurie of Maxwelton, was obliged to sell his family property in the last
century in consequence of the series of calamities to which Dumfrieshire had
been subjected, culminating in bank failures, spreading general ruin. His
descendants died out in the male line, but the family is represented in the
female by his great grandson, the Rev. William Mitchell Carruthers, eldest
son of the late General St. Leger Mitchell, born 1853, incumbent of Brunswick
Chapel, Mayfair; married, and has issue. In 1788, when the franchise was
very limited, John Carruthers is described as having no longer a vote, and it
is remarkable that all who were then stated in a secret memoir to have any
fortune or sufficient estate to qualify them were in a profession or
business, or had acquired wealth elsewhere than in Dumfriesshire. There were
52 voters, and persons were incapacitated who in the year preceding an
election had been twice present at divine service where the officiating
minister had not taken the oath to King George, nor prayed for the Royal
family.
================
Page 48
Although some of the Carruthers family were faithful to the King, the Laird
of Mouswald, their head, seems to have leagued with the Douglases. He was
keeper of Lochmaben Castle, and the Auchinleck chronicler relates that in
1454 "the Lord of Johnstone's two sons took the Castle of Lochmaben from the
Lord of Mouswald, called Carruthers, and his two sons, and all through
treason of the porter; and since, the King gave them the keeping of the house
to his profit." The King's adherents in Dumfriesshire-the Johnstones,
Maxwells, Carruthers of Holmains, Crichton of Sanquhar, Cuthbert Murray of
Cockpool, and Charteris of Amisfield-were rewarded with part of the
confiscated estates of the Corries and Douglases, though it entailed long
disputes with the relatives of the ancient possessors. In 1516 we find James
Johnstone of that ilk confirmed by a Royal Charter in the barony of Corrie,
which had been held in the previous century by the Corrie family in
conjunction with Newbie, Stapleton, and the parish of St. Patrick, now
divided into Kirkpatrick-Fleming and Gretna, and which the Corries had
obtained from the Carliles, while in 1494 John Murray had been returned heir
to his father Cuthbert in the hereditary lands of Cockpool, Ryvel or
Ruthwell, as well as of Rampatrick, or Redkirk, also part
of the Corrie property.
Dear List,
Below are a few excerpts written by James C. Carruthers, and shared with me
by another cousin.
I found Mr. Carruthers research fascinating and though you might too.
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Today in North America the name Carruthers immediately suggests a surname to
the hearer. This was not the case previous to the thirteenth century in
Scotland. Caer Ruther (Carruthers) was the stronghold of Rhydderch Hael (or
Ruther the Liberal), a dark age king of Strathclyde. Thus, the name was
originally a place rather than a surname. Traces of this old Briton fort can
still be discerned on the heights above Carruthers, near Viiddlebie in
Dumfriesshire. In ancient times the lands around this fort were called after
it and the locals in this border area of Scotland still refer to this
property as Carruthers.
It was not until 1215 that we find the first recorded use of Carruthers as a
surname. About this time surnames seem to have become general in Scotland.
Towards the close of the eleventh century and the beginning of the twelfth
Norman lords began to obtain Lands in Dumfriesshire: for example the Bruces
("de Brus" in Normandy), Johnstones (Jeansville) and these to a great extent
retained their territorial names derived from their foreign possessions. At
this time the Celtic families in the area usually had two names but not
hereditary the second usually indicated their parentage or personal
appearance. The head of the family or clan was usually called after his
principal residence or lands. Thus, at the beginning of the thirteenth
century we find the man in possession of this fort property naming himself
after his lands. John-de-Carruthers (John of Caer Ruthers). Caer the Saxon
name for fort.
==========
Rhydderch Hael was one of the great Princes of North Wales and although he
lived in the dark ages much is known about him. This is because he is
celebrated in Welsh poetry and there are many other references to him,
especially on the "Lives of Saint Ninian and Saint Kentigern (St. Mungo)."
Adamnan writes of him in his "Life of Saint Columba." He is also mentioned
and his genealogy given by Nennius. Of his ancestors, we also know a
considerable amount. He was the son of Tudwal Tudclud (of the Clyde
district), King of Cumbria and legend traces his ancestors back to Maximus,
King of Britain 383-8 (Roman Emperor). He was of Irish extraction by his
mother's side. Ruther's surnames Hael, denotes "Liberal" referring to his
understanding and generous character. His greatest honour was his patronage
of religion and he was the King who occupied the most prominent position with
regard to Saint Kentigern (St. Mungo). There are many accounts of his
generosity and liberality. One such account involved his dealings with his
unfaithful Queen Languoreth; another centered on his reliance on the Saint
when an Irish court jester that had pleased him asked for a dish of
mulberries in the midst of winter as his pay. These ancient accounts contain
considerable amount of legend and romance connected with the history as do
most writings of this period. However, these legends were originally wove
around particles of truth. Ruther died in 603, the same year as Saint
Kentigern and was buried under the sod of Llan Morvail in Arberech.
The location of The Fort of Ruther is bordered by many map names bearing the
Carruthers name. Many of them within a miles distance of the fort.
I am descended from Jane Carothers who married John McCandless in Antrim,
Ireland and migrated to this country, eventually settling in Plumb Twp.
Allegheny Co. Pa. I have no birth or death dates, but their children were
born after 1770 in Ireland. Their children were Elizabeth, Jane, George,
John, James and William. At least George and William moved to Butler Co. Pa.
Dear List,
I was wondering if any on list would like to introduce themselves, and maybe
share some of their resource information.
I am Rosemary Lyle nee Carruthers. My Carruthers family lived in
Balmaclellan in Kirkudbrightshie, a few generations on the Craig estate. I
found them again living in London on 1881 census. I have used the resources
at the local L.D.S. where I bring in films on Carruthers. The most
interesting was the book by Stanley and Reid on The Carruthers Record. I
would dearly like to obtain a copy of this book, it is not available on an
inter library search in Canada.
Rosemary
I have a very short Cauthers file containing these individuals:
Report
Name Birth date Death date
Andrew Cauthers
Andrew Cauthers Bet. 1840 - 1841
Ann Cauthers
Elizabeth Cauthers
J. Cauthers
Jane Bave Abt. 1802
Jane Cauthers Abt. 1825
John Cauthers
John Cauthers Abt. 1825
John O. Cauthers
Loretta Cauthers Abt. 1825
Mathew Cauthers
Mathew Cauthers Bet. 1806 - 1807
Matthew Cauthers
Samuel Cauthers
Samuel Cauthers Abt. 1802
Samuel Cauthers Abt. 1829
Thomas Cauthers Bet. 1818 - 1819
Wmm Cauthers
Glen
On 06/30/99 20:20:12 you wrote:
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>>Subject: Fw: CARRUTHERS, CAUTHERS, Abbey Paisley
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>>From: Dora Smith <cl001(a)freenet.buffalo.edu>
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>>Date: Wednesday, June 30, 1999 11:25 AM
>>Subject: CARRUTHERS, CAUTHERS, Abbey Paisley
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>>>I am looking for all information on Carruthers and Cauthers families who
>>>migrated from Abbey Paisley and possibly the other three Paisley parishes,
>>>Renfrew County, Scotland, in the 18th and early to mid 19th centuries, to
>>>Ireland, Canada, Pennsylvania and New York. They may be the same family.
>>>Certainly the descendants of the Cauthers in New York tell me their
>>>ancestor's name was Carruthers. There is a single Cauthers marriage record
>>>of 1844 for Abbey Paisley in the IGI. The Carruthers and Cauthers
>>>families interestingly followed identical routes of migration in Ireland
>>>at the same times, going through Antrim County (incl Belfast) to Donnegal
>>>and Fermanagh Counties. Cauthers is a corruption of Carruthers, so all
>>>three existing North American families of that name must have come
>>>originally from Scotland.
>>>
>>>The Andrew Cauthers whose ancestors have him coming from Paisley where he
>>>was named Carruthers, was according to the 1850 US census born before 1790
>>>in Ireland. But a James Cauthers married in Abbey Paisley in 1844
>>>according to an extracted local record in the IGI. Some of Andrew's
>>>family were named James, as was the family of Fermanagh County, and there
>>>may have been travel back and forth. Andrew Cauthers is supposed to have
>>>been a cop in NYC where the US census fails to verify thathe ever lived
>>>(he supposedly never lived on his upstate farm where the census found
>>>him), and to have been a cop in New York City, though if all info on the
>>>census is accurate he was atleast 45 when he got to the U.S. I am pretty
>>>sure that I was told that Andrew was something connected to the railway,
>>>maybe a ticket agent or some such thing, in Paisley.
>>>
>>>The families of James and Thomas Cauthers who went to Fermanagh County wre
>>>Church of England (ANglican or Episcopal). James and wife are buried in a
>>>"Church of Ireland" (England) graveyard and descendants o Thomas in Canada
>>>believe they were originally Church of England. Since they had to have
>>>come from Scotland at some point, I do not know WHY they were Church of
>>>England. I don't know their occupations, either. In Ontario they were
>>>farmers, and became Presbyterian, and my direct ancestor b abt 1802
>>>allegedlyin Belfast, was a blacksmith. He married in a Presbyterian church
>>>where an Anglican congregation was also temporarily worshipping, so I do
>>>not know which was his denomination. Their children were baptized in a
>>>variety of churches.
>>>
>>>I know specifically of James, Andrew and Thomas "Cauthers" all born
>>>closely together enough in time to possibly have been brothers, and my
>>>Samuel was born around 1802 and could possibly have been a son of one of
>>>them. All may at some point have called themselves Carruthers. There are
>>>four ways to spell Carruthers; with one or two r's and with a u or an o,
>>>and quite a number of ways of spelling Cauthers, including the far more
>>>common Cathers which is a name some in Fermanagh County still possess but
>>>try to get the address or phone number of any of them. In any case,
>>>mylittle families with the odd spelling seem to have used it with
>>>reasonable consistency except in Ontario. They also occasionally used
>>>Cuthers, Cothers, and Couthers. I've even seen Carrouthers. It looks as
>>>though two families in Fermanagh County distinctively used Carruthers and
>>>Carrothers. I think I've always seen the Carruthers family from Paisley
>>>spell it with a u. I've never seen the s left off which is important; a
>>>Carruther family originated in Renfrew County and the Carruthers family of
>>>medieval political importance originated in Dumfries County.
>>>
>>>Yours,
>>>Dora Smith
>>>
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Glen Carruthers
Apt# 605, 600 John St. N.
Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, L8L4S3
(905) 522-8716
email address: gcarruth(a)netcom.ca
Web address : http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~gcarruth/adult.html