This is a note that was bounced to me from Kim Hoffman, who I believe
subscribed to our List after this was received. I think it might be of
interest, so will forward it to the List. You can answer Kim through the
list if you wish.
Cal
phillipscalvin(a)prodigy.net
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Date: Thursday, February 25, 1999 18:59:03
From: Kim Hoffman
To: NColeman; NYC-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: CARROLL LIST
Subject: {not a subscriber} Re: [NYC] NYC Catholic Church Records (long)
Are there any relatives out there of this John Carroll? My grandfather's
(Francis Cain) first wife was his neice (not sure how many greats) (Frances
Carroll). I can supply information on part of his family and get you in
touch with members of the family.
Kim Hoffman
Kansas City, MO, USA
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From: NColeman <ncroots(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: NYC-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com <NYC-ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Wednesday, February 24, 1999 5:26 AM
Subject: Re: [NYC] NYC Catholic Church Records (long)
>Thought I'd pass along a little bit of historical
>perspective on the formation of the diocese structure in NY
>so that it may be easier to ascertain where, and under what
>jurisdiction, various records are held. (And who is in
>charge)
>
>"Long Island as all of the new United States was part of the
>Diocese of
>Baltimore, when the Diocese was created in 1789 with John
>Carroll the first
>R. C. bishop of Baltimore, which jurisdiction over the
>entire U. S. At the
>time, the Catholic population on Long Island was minimal &
>there were no R.
>C. churches in Kings, Queens or Suffolk Counties.
>In 1808, the Pope divided Baltimore & created other
>dioceses, such of
>Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Bardstown [Ky] and raised
>Baltimore to an
>Archdiocese. Baltimore is supposed to be the prime see in
>the United
>States, but for most of the 20th century, that role was
>assumed by New York
>& its cardinals." Thanks to David Roberts for this.
>
>"For those searching their Catholic roots, please be aware
>that information
>about their ancestors who may have been:
>
> born in,
> baptized in,
> in an orphanage run by,
> educated in,
> married in,
> or buried within
>
>a facility under the auspices of the Roman Catholic Church,
>depends on when
>the event your are seeking occurred, because of changes in
>diocesan
>geography.
>
>The Diocese (now the Archdiocese) of New York gave birth to
>the Diocese of
>Brooklyn in 1853 and the Diocese of Brooklyn gave birth to
>the Dicoese of
>Rockville Centre in 1957.
>
>The Diocese of Rockville Centre (currently covers all of
>Nassau County and
>almost all of Suffolk County, except for Fishers Island) is
>responsible for
>records on and after 1957, when the Diocese of Rockville
>Centre separated from
>the Diocese of Brooklyn.
>
>The Diocese of Brooklyn (currently covers all of Brooklyn
>and Queens) is
>responsible for records on and after 1853, when the Diocese
>of Brooklyn
>separated from the Diocese of New York.
>
>The Archdiocese of New York [currently covers the remaining
>3 boroughs of New
>York City (Staten Island, Manhattan and the Bronx, also
>known as Richmond, New
>York and Bronx Counties)] as well as Westchester, Rockland
>and additional
>upstate counties." Thank you to Walter Greenspan for this.
>
>Now, with that bit of background said, I do know of a
>project that is underway for the Diocese of Brooklyn. The
>Irish Family History Forum has completed the initial
>cataloging (for the Archivist, Mr. Joseph Coen) of each
>church in the Diocese. This first step is a database that
>shows what church holds what type of record for a given time
>period. No actual sacramental records have yet been
>recorded. This is just to find out who has what where, and
>for what years. It also catalogs who has taken over
>possession of the records of churches that have closed, what
>the condition of the records are, and physically what their
>size is. This, alone, was an enormous project that took
>dozens of volunteers almost a year to complete.
>
>For those of you interested in what projects may or may not
>be underway by each diocese, here are some numbers. The
>ACTUAL SACRAMENTAL RECORDS ARE NOT KEPT BY THESE ARCHIVISTS,
>those are still held by the various parishes within the
>diocese. I should qualify this by saying that there are a
>few exceptions, but not many.
>
>"The respective archival sources are:
>
>Ms. Jean Wassong
>Diocesan Archivist
>DIOCESE OF ROCKVILLE CENTRE
>50 North Park Avenue
>Rockville Centre, NY 11570
>
>tel: 516/678-5800, X594
>fax: 516/764-3316
>
>Ms. Wassong is responsible for records on and after 1957,
>when the Diocese of
>Rockville Centre separated from the Diocese of Brooklyn.
>
>Mr. Joseph Coen
>Diocesan Archivist
>Immaculate Conception Center
>DIOCESE OF BROOKLYN
>72-00 Douglaston Parkway
>New York (Flushing P.O.), NY 11362
>
>e-Mail: Fxmlib2(a)concentric.net
>
>tel: 718/229-8001, X475
>fax: 718/229-2658
>
>Mr. Coen.is responsible for records on and after 1853, when
>the Diocese of
>Brooklyn separated from the Diocese of New York.
>
>Ms. Laura Chiemaloswki
>Director of the Archives
>ARCHDIOCESE OF NEW YORK
>1011 1st Avenue (Room 1654)
>New York, NY 10022
>
>tel: 212/371-1000, X1683
>fax: 212/838-0637
>
>Ms. Chiemaloswki's department is responsible for records
>that includes the
>Diocese of Brooklyn (and, by inference, the Dioceses of
>Rockville Centre)
>until 1853." And, of course records for the Diocese of NY.
>
>Thanks again to David Roberts and Walter Greenspan for this
>list and history.
>I hope this is interesting and/or helpful to someone.
>Best regards. Nancy.
>PS: These Archivists have very little support in the way of
>staff. Up until just recently, Mr. Coen didn't even have a
>secretary. He was a one-man show.
>NColeman
>NYC/Long Island Family History Research Services
>http://www.genealogyPro.com/ncoleman.html
>http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/c/o/l/Nancy--Coleman/
>ncroots(a)worldnet.att.net
>NYGenExchange:
www.genexchange.com/NY/index.cfm
>
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>Date: Tuesday, February 23, 1999 8:52 PM
>Subject: [NYC] NYC Catholic Church Records (long)
>
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