To Eric and Marc:
I am interested in Marc's comment, below, concerninig Keane or Kean
(anglicized spelling of the Irish name Cian) Carroll and son Daniel,
which I'll approach in a roundabout way: Within the ancient ruins of
Kilkeary Church, about 3 miles SE of Nenagh in Co. Tipperary, is a grave
whose epitaph reads: "IHS. Here lies the body of William Carroll of
Ballycrenode, Gentleman, who died the nineteenth day of Feburary [sic]
anno dom: 1706. Requiescat in pace". A Gentleman, in English heraldic
law, is a man entitled to bear (a coat of) arms but who is not a member
of the nobility. I visited and photographed his monument during my visit
to our ancestral region in May of 1964, because a family memoir written
in 1856 by my great-great granduncle Patrick Boland Carroll (1804-1890)
claims that our Carroll ancestors (who bore the name William every
second generation, owing to the practice of naming the first son after
his paternal grandfather) stemmed from the townland of Ballycrenode,
which is within the Parish of of Kilkeary.
Patrick begins his memoir: "My great grandfather William Carroll, in his
day of Ballacrenode" [sic], whose family "inherited Ballacrenode as real
Estate but lost it Shortly after Cromwells Warr". This William was not
the above-named Gentleman, but maybe one of his grandsons, named below.
As Catholics they were legally prevented from owning land, and many sank
into poverty and obscurity: William's son Patrick "of Barnane" and
grandson William "of Ballincara" were tenant farmers, but relatively
well-to-do. After the latter William died in 1825, his widow and most of
their children, including Patrick, emigrated to the US, settling in
Maryland and Virginia. One of them was James Carroll (1819-1892), my
great-great grandfather, who in 1860 moved with his growing family from
Loudoun County VA to Baltimore, where he founded and was president of a
successful boot and shoe manufacture and wholesale business,
Carroll-Adams & Co., which remained in the family until my grandfather
William John Carroll's generation lost it in the Depression.
Around 1960 the Genealogical Office in Dublin located for me an abstract
of the will of the first-named William Carroll of Ballycrenode (the
original was lost in the Four Courts conflagration of 1922 which
destroyed 700 years of public records). It names William's wife Anne,
his brothers Roger and Daniel, grandsons Daniel and William Carroll
(without identifying their parents), his daughter Elizabeth wife of
James Carroll, her daughter Betty, his grandchildren Margaret, Daniel
and John by his daughter Mary and husband Kean Carroll, both now [as of
1706] deceased, his brother Roger's sons Teige, Joseph (or John) and
William, and his other brother Daniel's son John. Having no sons,
William devises his "leases of the farms of Ballycrenode, Ballinamore,
Lissen & Ballyvanrane" to his daughter Elizabeth and her husband James
Carroll, and his "right and estate in Lissgarif" to his brother Daniel's
son John. Evidently William the Gentleman was a man of some means, and
fairly advanced in age, when he died in 1706, just three hundred years
ago. The seal on his will, probated in that year, was "A lion rampant
between three fleurs-de-lis" (Genealogical Office: MS 424, pp. 120-121).
It seems that it was this William who lost Ballycrenode "as real Estate"
while retaining it by lease, which he then willed to his daughter and
her husband James, who in 1706 "conformed" to the Protestant Church of
Ireland, probably in order to receive the full inheritance. To get
around to Marc's Keane and Daniel: I'm guessing that they are the Kean
and son Daniel mentioned in William's will. The ENCYCLOPEDIA OF THE
IRISH IN AMERICA (Notre Dame, 1999) claims that Daniel Carroll of Upper
Marlboro [Prince George's County, MD] (1696-1751), father of Daniel who
signed the Constitution (1730-1796) and John the Archbishop (1735-1815),
"appeared in Maryland perhaps as early as 1718. He was the son of Kean
Carroll, possibly the Kean Carroll of Ahagurton in Kings County
attainted in 1691, and the grandson of Daniel Carroll of Ballycrenode"
(p.124). Hoffman in his excellent book PRINCES OF IRELAND, PLANTERS OF
MARYLAND: A CARROLL SAGA 1500-1782 attempts, unconvincingly in my
opinion, to connect the Marlboro and Carrollton branches by paternal
descent from a common ancestor, and his genealogical tables connect a
couple of names with Ballycrenode.
William Curtis Carroll Jr.
New York City
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Not bad Eric . . . your first paragraph was good.
"Charles Carroll (b. 1660, Ireland d. 1720, MD), also known as Charles
Carroll the Settler, Charles Carroll the Immigrant, and Charles Carroll
the Attorney General, had a brother Anthony O'Carroll who apparently
stayed in Ireland. Their father was Daniel O'Carroll, of Offaly (King's)
County, Ireland."
But with the second paragraph below. The Anthony Carroll you're speaking
of was not the grandfather of this Daniel Carroll. Keane Carroll was the
father of Daniel, he remained back in Ireland. While Keane Carroll is
believed to have come from an older branch of this particular Carroll
line, as far as I know, no one has ever been able to trace his ancestry
to show where he connects. Now while I have collected the descendants of
Daniel as I did with that of Charles Carroll, I never cared much about
the Daniel line. Someone could have solved the Keane Carroll ancestry
dead-end and I wouldn't have caught it.
"It seems that Anthony O'Carroll was the grandfather of Daniel Carroll
the Settler, whose three sons were Henry who drowned at sea while
returning from schooling in Europe, Daniel Carroll who signed the U.S.
Constitution, and Archbishop John Carroll."
You've pretty much got it here in the next section. Charles & Mary
Darnall had ten children though, born to them between 1695 & 1713. There
were five that died at childbirth. With the remaining five there were
three sons & two daughters. The three sons were, Henry 1697-1719,
Charles 1702-82 and Daniel 1707-34. This Henry died at sea returning
home from schooling in Europe, so no descendants here. But both Charles
& Daniel went on to have children. Well, Charles only had the one child,
that being Charles of Carrollton like you mention. Oh, the two daughters
were Mary, but she died sometime before reaching adulthood & then there
was Eleanor but I have her only living till 22. That's all I know about
the two girls.
"After Charles Carroll the Settler arrived in Maryland he married Martha
Underwood on 4 Nov 1689 and they had one child, Anthony. Both mother and
child died at childbirth in Nov 1690. On 14 Feb 1693 Charles married 2nd
Mary Darnall. Of their nine children the first, second, fourth, fifth,
sixth and perhaps eighth all died at childbirth. The three who reached
adulthood were Charles Carroll of Annapolis, Daniel Carroll of
Duddington, and Eleanor Carroll who went to live in England."
"Charles Carroll of Annapolis was the father of Charles Carroll of
Carrollton.
Eric "
Marc Carroll