For all persons living and working in 1936 , I suggest getting their Social
Security application.
It states their age, occupation, both parents names,, residense and other
very useful
information including mother's name if she is unknown because of the burning
of the 1890
federal census.
Last time I ordered one it cost $27 but I think it was worth it.
SSDI or Social Security Death Index is available online and the address to
order one.
Hope this helps.
Happy Hunting
Happy Holidays
Theresa N Va
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1. Re: Nelson Ore Carroll ? (gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:11:52 -0000
From: "gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Nelson Ore Carroll ?
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Ashley Wrote (in Part):
If anyone has ran across him in their research it'd be great to know about
it and give me a starting point. He was married to my Great-Grandmother
Mary Susie Carroll. I don't know her maiden name and none of my family
seems to know much about either of them and I haven't been able to locate
either of them in a census or anything else yet. I know she was born in
1921 in Logan County, Kentucky and they had a daughter named Mary that
died when she was 7 or 8? from her tonsils busting (or so I'm told).
<><><><><><><><><><><>
Ashley, I see you haven't gotten a response as of yet...
I am intrigued by the given name "Nelson" of your Carroll ancestor. While
Nelson isn't rare in the Carroll line, it isn't all that common. However,
it does occur in my wife's Carroll family line, both Nelson and Nelson
Ora, that migrated into Kentucky from North Carolina by way of Virginia.
One reason that you might be having difficulty in your search is that of
the time-frame. ...Could be that Nelson and Mary were not married by the
last available Federal census - 1940. I might have found a lead. Do you
know about when Nelson died ?
Dr. Bill Rice
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 19:33:25 -0000
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I'm not sure of when he was born or passed away. I'm afraid. I'm asking
around some of the family that's still alive to see if they may be able to
estimate it. One of their children a "Nelson Ray Carroll" was born in
1942 so I assume they were still together around then.
This is my my G-grandmothers Obit
GREENVILLE - Mary Susie Carroll, 90, of Greenville, died Sunday, September
25, 2011 at Maple Manor Nursing Home in Greenville. Mrs. Carroll was born
September 25, 1921 in Logan County. She was a homemaker and of the Baptist
faith. She was preceded in death by her husband, Nelson Ore Carroll; and
daughter, Mary Carroll.
Her son Nelson Ray passed away just a few years after her:
Nelson Ray Carroll, 71, of Greenville, died Saturday, December 7, 2013 at
11:51PM at Baptist Health in Madisonville. Mr. Carroll was born November
13, 1942 in Union County. He was an assembly worker at Schwinn Bicycle in
Chicago, and he was of the Baptist faith. He was preceded in death by his
parents, Nelson and Mary Carroll; sister Mary Susan Carroll; and brother
Alvin Lee Carroll.
A majority of that part of the family lived in Chicago, illinois at some
point but I don't know time frames. One of there other children was
actually born there I believe. But as far as my life span I've only known
my grandmother and several of her children to live in Kentucky in Hopkins
and Muhlenberg counties.
Oh! I was on the phone while I was typing this...here's some new info on
"Nelson Ore"
My grandmother (his daughter) says he died in 1959 at approx age 41 so he
was born around 1918. He was supposedly from "McVeigh" KY. He is supposed
to be buried in Fairview Cemetery in Williamson, West Virginia. BUT my
grandmother says some one went there to search for his plot and gravestone
and could not find him-neither could the over seer of the cemetery. Some
one has a copy of his obituary in the family but I don't have access to it
and I have been unable to locate "Nelson Ore" anyway I have searched for
him.
The paper obituary from what I'm told was "Williamson News. Williamson W.
VA. Dated Nov 30 1959. He was supposed to have died the Friday before the
publication with an "Allen Funeral Home" being in charge.
That's absolutely about all the information I have on him. I hope you have
some leads for me to hunt! Thanks for the reply!
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:10:10 -0000
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O.K., here is some related data. ...Nelson and Mary's first child, Mary
Louise Carroll, was born on 18 November, 1940 in Union County. She passed
away in West Virginia on 16 September, 1949 at the age of 8 years and 10
months. Her parents lived in McVeigh, Kentucky across the river from West
Virginia. McVeigh is in Pike County, Kentucky - coal mining county, and
all the way across the Commonwealth from Union County !
Dr. Rice
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:19:46 -0000
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This looks correct. I never knew them to live in West Virginia during my
lifetime! The age on their daughter passing is very close to what I've
been told from family. Only the middle name is different from an obituary
and the info you have. The daughter is listed as a "Mary Susan" in an
obit, but it might very well be my family honestly wasn't sure of her
middle name as she died when most of them were not yet born or were very
young and assumed she was named after her mother "Mary Susie" I found a
"Nelson Carroll" that I believe to be the correct "Nelson Ore" I
only
have some questions as far as the death place on the record I found.
Event Place: South Williamson, Pike, Kentucky, United States
His obituary of course states "Williamson" West Virginia. This is very
close to the "South Williamson" and Pike. But if they are just across the
river from each other as this is Pike County, it could have ran in the
West VA paper when he infact died on the other side of the river or was
transported to the closest hospital across the river in WV. All the other
information is correct, just a small discrepency in the "state" of death
from the obit to the record I located. I'm almost positive that record is
for him as the places being named as close and being on statelines. This
record does list his parents though so I have some more digging to do.
Thanks for your information!
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:38:57 -0000
From: "gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Nelson Ore Carroll ?
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Hi,
Mary Louise Carroll's death certificate is available at
wvculture.org, her
mother's name is given as Susie Pickens. It's also posted at findagrave.
http://www.wvculture.org/vrr/va_view2.aspx?FilmNumber=1984141&ImageNu...
Regards,
Pam in CA
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:38:58 -0000
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Message Board Post:
Ahmahgah! Thank you! I hadn't searched WV records yet because I wasn't
aware they had ever lived THAT close to WV! That is most definitely her.
My grandmother often went by her middle name of "Susie" and her maiden
name was indeed Nickens (i just found out maybe 10 minutes ago lol) as
listed on the death certificate. Awesome help from you guys!
Thanks again,
Ashley
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:59:24 -0000
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I couldn't even locate Nelson Ore until today after the little push. I
also don't have a paid membership at the moment to any of the ancestry
searching sites so it's hard for me to find lots of things. I have as of
yet only found this listing via familysearch
Nelson Carroll
Kentucky Death Records
Name: Nelson Carroll
Event Type: Death
Event Date: 27 Nov 1959
Event Place: South Williamson, Pike, Kentucky, United States
Gender: Male
Age: 41
Race (Original): White
Occupation: Miner
Birth Year (Estimated): 1918
Birthplace: Union County Kentucky
Father's Name: James Thomas
Mother's Name: Wilford Caudill
GS Film Number: 001973395 , Digital Folder Number: 007552591 , Image
Number: 02241
I havent had time yet to search for his parents in a census and see if
other children are listed, have been on the phone asking questions and
dealing with my 5 month old who is very demanding. According to this
listing he was indeed a coal miner, but I don't know what position he
held. Good luck in your search and thanks for your help =)!
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:59:23 -0000
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I see where Pam in California posted a possible spouse of Nelson
Carroll, -Susie Pickens. A closer examination of the records shows her
name to be Mary Susan Nickens !
Dr. Rice
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 20:59:23 -0000
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No doubt, Mary Louise is your Nelson Carroll's daughter. She died in West
Virginia (Williamson, Mingo, County ) and was buried there. By any
chance, do you know the names of any of Nelson's siblings ? I am trying
to contact a Carroll family with connections to Union County.
Was Nelson engaged in the coal industry, possibly in a managerial position
? That could explain why he apparently was in both Union County and in
Pike County at various times.
Dr. Rice
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