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Author: CaroleTaylor148
Surnames: Carroll
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My great grandmother's name was Carroll, and she taught her children that their ancestor was Charles Carroll of Carrollton, who signed the Declaration of Independence. She lived in Henderson, Tennessee. If anyone has a connection with the Carroll's of Henderson and can help with our tracing our line back to Charles Carroll, please send me a message. Thanks.
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I for one hope more men will do the CARROLL dna testing for I am stuck @ Elisha CARROLL b. about 1824/1825 somewhere in NC...He died about 1883 in Sampson County, North Carolina. Gayle
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Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Using DNA to find ancestors
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Date: Saturday, March 20, 2010, 11:53 AM
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Author: southard
Surnames: CARROLL
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I should have mentioned again in the letter I just wrote that anyone wanting to do the DNA test should do it through the Carroll project to get a greatly reduced price. Contact the administrator Kevin Carroll at kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com
or order at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Carroll
The Y-DNA67 would be ideal, but the Y-DNA37 would be helpful.
Lura
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Author: southard
Surnames: CARROLL
Classification: queries
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I should have mentioned again in the letter I just wrote that anyone wanting to do the DNA test should do it through the Carroll project to get a greatly reduced price. Contact the administrator Kevin Carroll at kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com
or order at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Carroll
The Y-DNA67 would be ideal, but the Y-DNA37 would be helpful.
Lura
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Author: southard
Surnames: CARROLL
Classification: queries
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YES, I agree that the DNA test is very expensive and difficult for most of us to afford. I received help from some relatives to pay for my cousin's test. However, there is much less resistance now about doing the test than there was just a few years ago.
The third column in the chart at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carroll/default.aspx?sec...
shows the HaploGROUP of each man who was tested. The haplogroup tells the ancient background of that person. The ones shown in Red indicate the assignment given to that person by FTDNA based on the pattern of the tested DYS markers. Those shown in Green indicate that the person has purchased a 'SNP' test which further refines the Haplogroup to which a person belongs.
The HaploGROUP shows the group of people who migrated across the earth and settled in a location perhaps 5 to 10 thousand years ago according to the norms being discovered by the National Geographic and other studies. R1b1 is the most common haplogroup in Western Europe, so that much information doesn't help many Carroll families. However, I know that it did help one person. First he learned that his haplogroup was R1a rather than R1b, so he began to investigate groups of people coming to the colonies from Eastern Europe. After much research he learned his Carroll ancestor was really "Carl" and came from Germany rather than Ireland. The Haplogroup definitely helped him, but it does not help most of us trying to find our greatgrandfather or learn where he lived 100 years ago. The most common Haplogroup of the Carroll men tested so far seems to be R1b1____. If more numerals and numbers are added, it is still that same basic haplogroup, just more refined.
A man's HaploTYPE is simply the pattern made by the long string of numerals (alleles or markers) following his name. When two men match rather well, they could assume they had a common ancestor at some time in the past. An estimate of the length of time since this common ancestor is made by counting the "genetic distance" between the two haplotypes or profiles. This genetic distance is calculated by counting the 'steps' of difference between the two. Each step or change indicates where a mutation has taken place. For example, if one man was 12,15,11,10 and the other man was 12,13,10,10 then their genetic distance is 3. There was a two step difference on the second marker and a one step difference on the third marker.
Three basic haplotypes seem to be emerging in the Carrolls who have been tested. In the Chart at
http://www.carrollroots.com/carrollfamilydnavalues.pdf
you see several are colored light blue near the top of the chart who seem to match rather well. At least some of these have traced their ancestor back to Orange County, NC. To my knowledge none of them have found a location in Europe believed to be the homeland. Someone please correct me if this is wrong.
Across the middle of the chart shown in orange are 15 men almost all of whom trace ancestry back to Duplin/Sampson County, NC beginning about 1760-1800. My cousin is in this group, kit # 32061. We cannot so far find a path to Europe, but we are still digging and most are in correspondence with each other. I believe we will prove as my father said that our lineage is Scots-Irish.
Closer to the bottom of the chart is a dark green band with several men. If you look at the right end, you will see that one of these traces his lineage back through Charles Carroll of Carrollton and on back to Daniel of Litterluna. Many of us Carrolls have lived with the family story of being related to Charles Carroll of Carrollton. Well, now if you can find a man in your family with a continuous lineage back as far as possible to do the DNA test, you can confirm that family lore or prove it to be wrong.
As you see, most information is gained by comparison with other profiles. Our DNA doesn't come back from the lab with the name of a castle in Europe or elsewhere. Sometimes we wish it would.... but then where could we find a hobby more fulfilling than turning moldy pages or making pictures of granite chunks in cemeteries?
I hope this answers your questions. Maybe someone else can add more.
Lura CARROLL Southard
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Jim,
Please do not unsubscribe! You are very important to Carroll
research since you still live in Ireland.
I do believe strongly that DNA helps find connections for those
whose ancestors left Europe 250-300 years ago and no records
exist which detail their lives.
I AM IN NO WAY affiliated with FTDNA or any other commercial
interest, but I do think DNA research is the only way some of us
will learn our heritage.
Lura CARROLL Southard
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From: "Jim" <jj.carroll(a)comcast.net>
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Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 4:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Using DNA to find ancestors
| How long is this advertisement going to last?
|
| While the dna project is fine and dandy for those with
disposable incomes,
| and those that would like to part with their hard-earned Euros
and Dollars -
| do we have to go through these long winded explanations just to
make someone
| some extra money?
|
| If this keeps up I guess we shall have to unsubscribe while
everyone waits
| with bated breath for the experimenters to finish their sales
job.
|
| jj.carroll (a McCarroll from County Tyrone)
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| -----Original Message-----
| From: carroll-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carroll-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
| Behalf Of gc-gateway(a)rootsweb.com
| Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 12:54 PM
| To: CARROLL-L(a)rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Using DNA to find ancestors
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| Author: southard
| Surnames: CARROLL
| Classification: queries
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| Message Board URL: |
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http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.carroll/3447.2.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx
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| Message Board Post:
|
| I should have mentioned again in the letter I just wrote that
anyone wanting
| to do the DNA test should do it through the Carroll project to
get a greatly
| reduced price. Contact the administrator Kevin Carroll at
| kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com
| or order at
| http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Carroll
|
| The Y-DNA67 would be ideal, but the Y-DNA37 would be helpful.
|
| Lura
How long is this advertisement going to last?
While the dna project is fine and dandy for those with disposable incomes,
and those that would like to part with their hard-earned Euros and Dollars -
do we have to go through these long winded explanations just to make someone
some extra money?
If this keeps up I guess we shall have to unsubscribe while everyone waits
with bated breath for the experimenters to finish their sales job.
jj.carroll (a McCarroll from County Tyrone)
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Author: southard
Surnames: CARROLL
Classification: queries
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I should have mentioned again in the letter I just wrote that anyone wanting
to do the DNA test should do it through the Carroll project to get a greatly
reduced price. Contact the administrator Kevin Carroll at
kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com
or order at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Carroll
The Y-DNA67 would be ideal, but the Y-DNA37 would be helpful.
Lura
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Author: cavanboy
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I took part in DNA testing a few years back, and you're right, it is helpful. I was able to locate a perfect match using a 67 marker test with a gentleman in Ireland, but unfortunately, we've never been able to determine who that common ancestor is. We're still working on it though.
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Author: chipfrey1949
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I have Carrolls from Co Cavan(Hyland), Roscommon, Down(Heaney) and Armagh (Hughes). Patrick Carroll B. 1822 of Co Roscommon, married Mary Hyland of Co. Cavan . She was born 1830, Feb 18. She was from either Bally James Duff or Cullow. Not sure of town in Roscommon but Conaught and village of Fenry comes up in ancestrial notes given to me. I strongly urge you to partake in the DNA testing...lots of info and links to common family members.
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Author: cavanboy
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Hello, and thanks for your reply. I have quite a bit of information regarding the Carroll family of Edenburt. I'm curious, where does your family fit in? I've been able to identify my great grandfather's siblings in various Irish church records, but have never been able to trace any of them, or their descendants any further than that. In fact, except for my own branch of the family, and my g-grandfather's sister Margaret, all of what I've uncovered of the Carrolls pretty much stops in Edenburt in the late 1800s.
In doing my research of the family in County Cavan, I uncovered quite a bit of information on Carroll families from the area, that so far, don't seen to be related to mine. I look forward to your reply. Maybe a few loose ends can be tied up!
Mike
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Author: BradleyCarroll
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Yeah I would love to do dna, but that is quite expensive. Especially when you don't make as much as most. What exactly though would dna test be able to tell me. Would be able to show what your families homeland was? More info would be nice. I will have to think about doing the test. Also what is the most common dna type for Carroll families?
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Author: kllycrrll
Surnames: Carroll, Wallace
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Looking for Carroll's who moved from Ireland to Canada. Wives of the Carroll men may be listed as Scottish or Irish and have the Surnames McNaughton or Wallace. The Carroll family was most likely Roman Catholic. kllycrrll(a)gmail.com
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Author: southard
Surnames: CARROLL
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Bradley,
Since your surname is CARROLL, I assume you have a paternal lineage back to William Andrew Sterling Carroll. If that is true, you would be a good candidate to do a Y-DNA profile showing your heritage, as long as there have been no adoptions, name changes, or illegitimate births. I don't know if anyone in that line has been tested yet or not.
I think it takes three matching Profiles to verify that the result is truly that of the common ancestor, and they should be from branches that divided back at the common ancestor.
One test can only show information about one's ancient background and the haplotype of that one person who took the test. Two men tested who match show they share a common ancestor at the point their branches divided, but not back to a far distant ancestor. If three men are tested, they match, and the branches divide even further back in time, then that begins to show the actual haplotype of the common ancestor from whom all three descend.
There are now 123 Carroll men who have taken the DNA test and have their profiles shown online (without name) waiting for others to match. At least three groups have verified relatedness using the DNA results. If you take the test and do match a profile shown only by kit number, FamilyTreeDNA has a provision by which you can contact the DNA donor so you can compare pedigrees. Also YSearch.com is a good place to find matches, even with other surnames.
So, Bradley would it be possible for you to send a DNA sample to FTDNA? If you are not familiar with the testing procedure, there is a lot of information available via web pages and video at http://www.familytreedna.com Keep in mind the CARROLL surname project is based on the Y-DNA test, not the mtDNA test or the new tests FTDNA is developing now.
The Carroll Surname Results are found at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carroll/default.aspx?section=yresults
and at
http://www.carrollroots.com/carrollfamilydnavalues.pdf
Anyone wishing to join the project can order through the Carroll project for a reduced rate by contacting the administrator Kevin Carroll at kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com
or by ordering at
http://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?Group=Carroll
Order at least the Y-DNA37, but the Y-DNA67 would be better. I don't think anything less than 37 markers provide enough information to make a match worthwhile.
If I can be of help to anyone regarding the DNA test, I will be glad to help.
Lura
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Author: BradleyCarroll
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This is all very interesting. From your link, that appears to be the Carroll line I descend from. William Andrew Sterling Carroll had a son named Lee Commodore Carroll, and from there I descend down the line. I would like to know more information on this Carroll line and were they come from. My grandfather said they came from Ireland. If anyone has any info on this line of Carroll's I would greatly appreciate any info or help.
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Author: jtrzaska326
Surnames: carroll
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hello! just dropping in to report that i recently found that i am a descendent of the carrolls of edenburt and therefore, am likely distantly related to some of you. posting here in case more information becomes available in the future.
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Author: bgavin197
Surnames: Davis Carroll
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Yes I knew Davis Carroll. I did workshops with him many years ago. He was living in Natick, MA at the time and I believe he is living in Boston now. I came across this request because I am going to contact him and was looking for an address.
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My Carroll' from Stephen 1733 Ireland 1828 Orange Co North Carolina.
I have seen the name spelled many ways. In Ireland found the O'Carroll & MacCarroll Spelling.
Trying to find out if we were from one of these Clans.
Linda Carroll\Crews
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Author: AprilWine5555
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Dear Micheal
Can you tell me more about your Henry CARROLL and Mary McKIBBON, would like to know 2 - 3 generations of descendants
I have CARROLL's from County Down, Northern Ireland
Please contact me at ROBCRRLL(a)gmail.com
Robert CARROLL
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Author: swanmak1
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All I know about my Carrol surname is that my ggggrandmother's maiden name was Carroll, from her husband's will. She was born c 1790.
All the best,
Sandy
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Author: AprilWine5555
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Mike
Can you tell me more about your Henry CARROLL and Mary McKIBBON
from County Down and Enlgand
I can be contacted at ROBCRRLL(a)gmail.com
Robert CARROLL
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Author: AprilWine5555
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dear swanmak1
Could you tell me more details about you CARROLL's and WALLACE's from both County Down and Scotland or England
Its passable there maybe a conntion to my Samuel Hewitt CARROL who's parents are James CARROL and Magdaline HEWITT
Please contact me at ROBCRRLL(a)gmail.com
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