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Lura
that is the same company.FTDNA. They also wanted my mother's maiden name
as well as my grandmother's (Carroll). So I think they can also get
results on the maternal side.
John Kiely
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Subject: [CARROLL] DNA Testing
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Some thoughts --
I wonder if the Jordan Genetic Testing project is the one spoken of at
the following site -
http://www.jordannctoal.homestead.com/DNAindex.html
They seem to be doing their project under
http://www.familytreedna.com/
The following statement made me wonder if this company could prove
relationship any further than first cousin. "Males are now able to see
if another male is a descendent from their paternal grandfather's
paternal side."
There seem to be a lot of laboratories trying to get into the business
of genetic testing. Here is another.
http://www.genetree.com/
Many research studies are for medical purposes -
http://www.mostgene.org/gd/gdvol14c.htm
There seem to be more tests to prove paternity than anything else.
One of the very earliest studies begun at Brigham Young University is
now being done by the Sorenson Molecular Genealogical Foundation. They
are very anxious to find persons who know several generations of their
paternal ancestry to be able to compare with others in their database.
They not provide immediate results to an individual person, but I may
be wrong. However, it will probably eventually give the most accurate
information about migrations of people worldwide.
http://www.smgf.org/index.jsp?id=3http://www.smgf.org/index.jsp?id=5
Even the federal government is involved in DNA testing for many
reasons. Medical research and agriculture are examples.
http://www.ornl.gov/TechResources/Human_Genome/
I believe before any family begins to participate in any genetic
testing, the persons involved should be ready to accept the possiblity
that there might be surprises. See (middle of page)
http://www.ornl.gov/TechResources/Human_Genome/resource/privacy/privac
7a.html
"(2) Prior to their participation, and in addition to the disclosures
required by section 101 of this Act, subjects shall be--
(A) informed that one risk of their participation is that by the end
of the project other family members may learn private genetic
information about them;
(B) informed of what will be done with records and data generated
during the project;
(C) informed that the project may determine that some members of their
family are not genetic relatives."
I really don't personally know about this testing, but I think it
presents an interesting challenge. Since many today are concerned
about privacy and identity protection, there are many things to be
considered in any new technology.
Lura. . . . just thinking . . . . I'd surely like to know the origin
of my CARROLLs.
--WebTV-Mail-20873-275--
Some thoughts --
I wonder if the Jordan Genetic Testing project is the one spoken of at
the following site -
http://www.jordannctoal.homestead.com/DNAindex.html
They seem to be doing their project under
http://www.familytreedna.com/
The following statement made me wonder if this company could prove
relationship any further than first cousin. "Males are now able to see
if another male is a descendent from their paternal grandfather's
paternal side."
There seem to be a lot of laboratories trying to get into the business
of genetic testing. Here is another.
http://www.genetree.com/
Many research studies are for medical purposes -
http://www.mostgene.org/gd/gdvol14c.htm
There seem to be more tests to prove paternity than anything else.
One of the very earliest studies begun at Brigham Young University is
now being done by the Sorenson Molecular Genealogical Foundation. They
are very anxious to find persons who know several generations of their
paternal ancestry to be able to compare with others in their database.
They not provide immediate results to an individual person, but I may
be wrong. However, it will probably eventually give the most accurate
information about migrations of people worldwide.
http://www.smgf.org/index.jsp?id=3http://www.smgf.org/index.jsp?id=5
Even the federal government is involved in DNA testing for many
reasons. Medical research and agriculture are examples.
http://www.ornl.gov/TechResources/Human_Genome/
I believe before any family begins to participate in any genetic
testing, the persons involved should be ready to accept the possiblity
that there might be surprises. See (middle of page)
http://www.ornl.gov/TechResources/Human_Genome/resource/privacy/privac
7a.html
"(2) Prior to their participation, and in addition to the disclosures
required by section 101 of this Act, subjects shall be--
(A) informed that one risk of their participation is that by the end
of the project other family members may learn private genetic
information about them;
(B) informed of what will be done with records and data generated
during the project;
(C) informed that the project may determine that some members of their
family are not genetic relatives."
I really don't personally know about this testing, but I think it
presents an interesting challenge. Since many today are concerned
about privacy and identity protection, there are many things to be
considered in any new technology.
Lura. . . . just thinking . . . . I'd surely like to know the origin
of my CARROLLs.
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Hi Juhlimg
My grandmother on my father's side(Kiely) was a Margaret Carroll from
just south of Cork city in Ireland. I just had my DNA tested by other
Kiely researchers trying to establish connections to other Kielys. It
was done through Family Tree DNA. I think that it is an expensive
undertaking.
All I did was rub something on the inside of my cheek for a minute. Then
repeat it a few hours later. It takes 6-8 weeks to compare results with
other samples.
I have the address and phone number if anyone is interested in following
up on this.
John kiely
omerville, Ma
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From: "H. Juhling McClung" <mcclung.1(a)osu.edu>
Subject: Re: [CARROLL] Carrolls and DNA
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Perhaps someone who is more up to date can help us out. I have been under
the impression that for either form of genetic testing, you need a "pure"
succession of either all males or all females. The nuclear DNA is for the
males and the mitochondrial DNA is for the females. Both apparently work
VERY well.
Juhling McClung
At 03:58 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Carrell Peter wrote:
>I would like to participate but I woould not be of much help to the group.
>My line stops at an abandoned six year old boy - Colin - Carrell/oll(?) in
>1768 in Frederick Co., VA. My thought would be to compare with someone who
>has good data to connect to the main Carroll line which - as I understand -
>is through Charles Carroll of Carrollton.
>
>I have checked with one company offering cheek swab kits for hemachromatosis
>testing and have received same. that would be the easiest way to go provided
>the sample is adequate for the genealogical purpose.
>
>Pete
>
> > If enough people on the Carroll list indicate interest, I will
> > endeavor to coordinate the specifics...
> > ----------
> > Blood/dna testing would be excellent! Has anyone ever talked with the
> > Jordans about how they started the program and how they motivated family
> > members to contribute?
> >
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Dear Carrolls,
I am married to a Carroll descendent and I usually just read the posts,
hoping to make a connection. My father in law's mother was Mary Alice
Carroll, born in New Orleans, LA, USA. Her father was John David Carroll.
All I know is that he was from Ireland and have not really tried to find out
much else about him and I am not very hopefull that I ever will.
If you decide to do DNA testing, I would like to get my father in law's
DNA included. He is getting old and not in good health, so I am encouraging
you to proceed as quickly as possible.
This might be our only hope to find out which branch of the Carrolls he
belongs to.
Thanks for your time.
Carol S.
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Perhaps someone who is more up to date can help us out. I have been under
the impression that for either form of genetic testing, you need a "pure"
succession of either all males or all females. The nuclear DNA is for the
males and the mitochondrial DNA is for the females. Both apparently work
VERY well.
Juhling McClung
At 03:58 PM 3/29/2003 -0600, Carrell Peter wrote:
>I would like to participate but I woould not be of much help to the group.
>My line stops at an abandoned six year old boy - Colin - Carrell/oll(?) in
>1768 in Frederick Co., VA. My thought would be to compare with someone who
>has good data to connect to the main Carroll line which - as I understand -
>is through Charles Carroll of Carrollton.
>
>I have checked with one company offering cheek swab kits for hemachromatosis
>testing and have received same. that would be the easiest way to go provided
>the sample is adequate for the genealogical purpose.
>
>Pete
>
> > If enough people on the Carroll list indicate interest, I will
> > endeavor to coordinate the specifics...
> > ----------
> > Blood/dna testing would be excellent! Has anyone ever talked with the
> > Jordans about how they started the program and how they motivated family
> > members to contribute?
> >
I'll jump in here too. My grandmother always held that our family
are illegitimate descendants of Charles' or his cousin, the Archbishop
(my current info holds that my line descends from VA John). My
grandmother was a wonderful woman, a missionary, with no delusions of
grandeur - the Carroll story was passed down in her family. We are
Louisiana and Alabama Carrolls.
My mother went to college at Brimingham Southern, where she found
herself in a sorority with another Carroll. After a few months they
discovered they were distant cousins (4th cousins, I think). Though
their families had had no contact for at least two generations (more
likely three generations), they had the exact same family story.
One further item was that the family of the cousin had crested
Carroll family silver that dated from the late 1700s. When I began to
do genealogy I discovered my mother had never bothered to keep touch
with this cousin! I haven't really tried to find her, but I certainly
urge young ladies not to change their names -- makes tracing quite
difficult!
Ya' know....the Jordan family list has done extensive blood testing
in the last year or so, and established definite connections through
DNA. Maybe we ought to look into this...?
H. Juhling McClung wrote:
It would seem [to me] that every serious Carroll researcher has to deal
with the fact that every "family history" ALWAYS goes back to Carrollton.
On the other hand, those of us who have to try to sort out the Carroll
families who were in North America in the mid to late 1700's, have great
difficulty getting all the family relationships straight.
This is a great public discussion! Please continue so that we all can share
and begin to straighten some of this mess out.
Juhling McClung
At 08:32 PM 3/27/03 -0700, NJArnfield(a)worldnet.att.net wrote:
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>There is question, even in my family - several of whom had delusions of
>
>
grandeur - that the John Carroll that "belongs" to us was actually his
cousin. In our family he is the one that went to France with him to attend
the Jesuit college(s).
>Shall we communicate more directly? My Email is:
>
>
NJArnfield(a)worldnet.att.net.
>I'd be most pleased to sort some of this out, if that is even remotely
>
>
possible.
Here's about all I know of my early Carroll family.
Juhling McClung
William CARROLL [abt 1721 - 1771] and his wife Mary ___ [or possibly Jane
George] Probably started in Bethleham Pa. The then moved from Frederick
Co,VA to Augusta Co where he was a constable in 1742. Seeking information
on either of them and their families.
Of their 4 children:
Mary b. abt 1739 maried John Alderson
Joseph married Mary ___
Katherine married William Morris
Jane married Adam Jackman
At 05:41 AM 3/28/2003 -0600, Shirley Metrejean wrote:
>Juhling,
>I totally agree this discussion should be "public", but incase doesn't,
>please keep me in the loop. The Carroll family of the mid 1700s has been
>my brick wall for years and years! I've been working closely with other
>researchers and we come to the same dead end.
>I would be willing to share with you what I have in an effort to find the
>missing piece of the puzzle. My maternal grandmother was a "Louisiana"
>Carroll.
>Thanks,
>Shirley smetrejean(a)jam.rr.com
>
>
>
Seeking information on Michael J.& Louise M.Carroll (lived 1890's to 1960's) and their descendents - Geraldine, Robert, Michael, Jr., Patricia, Virginia and Jean - and 10 grandchildren.
During the 1920's to 1960's, this family seems to have always rented & moved often, and lived in Central Falls, Providence, and maybe Pawtucket.
'Haven't posted for quite a while. Any new readers with leads?
'Would love to get some old photos. I have photo of Michael & Louise's tombstone.
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loretta have information about james and elizabeth woodward. they are my gggrandparents. contact me at wjdc(a)ntelos.net
thanks
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Alice,
Please e-mail me.
The wife of your Jesse Carroll was the aunt of my great grandmother Martha Jane Hale who married Alexander Byrd.
John
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CC of C did not have any brothers. This has been well substantiated. He did have plenty of cousins. One of his cousins, Bishop John Carroll was an important figure during the Rev War. As a Catholic priest he was not married and did not have children (at least he wasn't supposed too). A lot of info can be found in the Catholic Encyclopedia available on line.
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There is question, even in my family - several of whom had delusions of grandeur - that the John Carroll that "belongs" to us was actually his cousin. In our family he is the one that went to France with him to attend the Jesuit college(s).
Shall we communicate more directly? My Email is: NJArnfield(a)worldnet.att.net.
I'd be most pleased to sort some of this out, if that is even remotely possible.
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hey donna my great grandpa sam carroll was from alabama from what ive been told he then lived in mississippi he is burried in the gerizum cemetery in myrtle miss he was born jan4th 1851 and died march23rd 1955 does this help any
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Hi,
I have found out that my Carrolls were from South Carolina, then went to Autauga and Sumter County Alabama. Were any of yours in those areas? There is another line of Carrolls that I found that settled in South Alabama. I will be glad to help you if I can.
Donna
Caldeen Gunter Carroll -------born 12/28/1846 in Jackson co. AL
His parents were: James H Carroll and Nancy ?
married
Nancy C Waldrum -----------11/30/1875 in Fannin co. TX
Nancy was born 3/1848 in Arkansas. Her parents were:
John D Waldrum and Elizabeth ?
Nancy was married 2 times before she married Caldeen. They were:
A. Stewart------6/23/1862
Samuel Bailey---1/11/1866
Children of Nancy and Caldeen are:
Grace Emily Carroll--------1877 in Rockwall TX****************this is our line
Grace married John W. (J W ) Monk in 1892 in Falls county TX
JW and Grace are found on the 1900 census for Milam county TX. Supposedly she died in 1907. Need help finding out where! They had 4 children. Maud, Wesley, Mary Ann, and Estelle
1 Maud married Benjamin Franklin Nanny and they lived in and around Freestone and Leon co.'s of TX ?? need info
2 Wesley married Ruby Johnson Watson. He died in 1926. They had 4 children and they lived in Freestone co. while they were married. He is buried in Plainview TX. where they had just moved.
3 Mary Ann married Robert Boyd (BOB) Vice and they had 1 child (retarded and deaf) ??? need info on them
4 Estelle married a D C Robbins. They had at least 4 girls. ?????need info on them
Lula Maude Carroll--------1878 in Millwood TX
Lula Maude married B H Ashford in 1896 in Colorado county TX
Susie Carroll----------b and d in 1879 in Millwood TX
Jesse Carroll----------b and d in 1880 in Millwood TX
Mary Magdelene Carroll---------5/30/1881 in Millwood TX
Mary married John William Washington Hawkins on 4/24/1898 in Lee county TX
Loudenia Carroll -------12/15/1882 in Lampasas co. TX
Loudenia married Peter Jens Raven 11/16/1904 in Wharton co. TX
James Wiley Carroll----------4/9/1884 in Bell co. TX
He married Lizzie Rogers 12/4/1905 in Lee co. TX
Henry Edwrd Carroll---------3/15/1887 in Bell co. TX
He married Cassie Catherine Ruffcorn in Wharton co. TX
Any further info on this line would be most helpful!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Andrea monkees5(a)msn.com
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hey my name is debbie carroll yeager i,m from mississippi but my great grandpa was samAndrewJackson carroll he was from alabama maybe the same man your talking about i,m not sure he was married to ada carr carroll and had 11 kids they were walter wilson carroll,willie earl carroll, lucille carroll[witlock],roxie caroll[dodds],marthacarroll[smith], florence carroll[houston],maggie carroll[bishop],della carroll[clayton]and my grandpa was earnest carroll and then my great grandma died when my grandpa was 18 months and my great grandpa married again he married a woman named ida and had 3 kids by her they were archie carroll,of arkansas and mariecarroll and agnes carroll i dont know there married names now but all my grandpa earnests sisters married names are by there maiden names up above if this helps let me know please and i,m trying to do a family reunion on the carrols it will be down here at a lake close to oxford mississippi on the 25th of may at 1pm call if you can come!
and i will give you more information call 662-538-3316 and ask for debbie
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my great grandpa was Sam carroll he was married to Ada Carr carroll and they had 11 kids they were walter wilson carroll ,willie earl carroll,lucille carroll witlock,roxie carroll dodds,martha carroll smith,florence carroll houston,maggie carroll bishop, della carroll clayton,birthamay carroll and my grandpa was there son Earnest Carroll he passed away in 1990 and his mom mrs ada Carr Carroll passed away in 1924 my great grandpa then married a woman named Ida and they had 3 kids they were Archie carroll Marie carroll and Agnes Carroll i would love to find more out to about our family if you can help i sure would apreciate it my grandpa and his brothers and sisters are al deceased but 1 and thats aunt lucille witlock and she lives in holly springs mississippi i dont know if his step brother and sisters are alive or deceased but i know there is lots of us carrols down here that would love to know all the family more infact i,m doing a family reunion on May the 25th down !
herewith all our family that i can find i hope you can make it for more information you can call me at 662-538-3316 and i will tell you how to get here if your interested ask for debbie hope to meet you one day soon and maybe we can pull this family together more
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HEY MY name is Debbie Carroll Yeager my grand parents are Earnest and Irene Caroll of Mississippi and my grandpa has a brother in arkansas named Archie Carroll were trying to locate some of the family and i would love to know if you can help us out please email me at kittenyeager(a)yahoo.com with any comments or suggestions thank you
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I photographed this gravestone in the Moore Cemetery, Arlington, Tarrant Co., Texas. Feel free to use the picture for your records.
This is one of the 36,279 cemetery photos free at http://teafor2.com
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my name is sue crawley/blevins. my mom is kenzie carroll/crawley she died in 1970 she is the youngest daughter of george &occie carroll.