Well...... CONGRATULATIONS, Eric. Maybe you've found your long lost
Grandpa for whom you have searched so diligently. You were somewhat
disappointed when you learned your ancient paternal ancestry was not
from Ireland, but if it had been, you would have missed all the
excitement of digging up bones in Mongolia.
I know that eight markers don't PROVE anything, but in your case, at
least there is hope that somewhere, someone has more makers that will
match yours. I wonder if National Geographic has many DNA samples
from men presently living in part of the world?
Is the Spencer Wells program to which you refer the one coming on the
National Geographic channel at 9:00 PM on Sunday, December 2?
I was just thinking how many ancestors a person would have in 2000
years! Good luck finding a living person who matches you and the
mummy... and any others in that 2000 years.
Lura Southard
List Administrator,
CARROLL-DNA(a)rootsweb.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
To: "GENEALOGY-DNA-L" <GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Cc: "CARROLL-DNA-L" <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 8:32 PM
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Grave #70, Egyin Gol Mummy, Y-DNA Match
: Is great x grandfather a mummy?
:
: A 2000 year old body in Grave #70, recently found in Northern
Mongolia, was analyzed for Y-STR alleles as follows:
:
: DYS 19 = 16,
: DYS 390 = 25,
: DYS 391 = 11,
: DYS 392 = 11,
: DYS 393 = 13,
: DYS YCAII = 19/23,
: DYS 385 = 11/14,
: DYS 389ii = 31.
: Thus Y Haplogroup R1a.
:
: Our Carroll, Karol, Carel etc. haplotype is at DY8VJ, 37 markers,
and has been SNP tested as R1a1. It is an exact match with this
mummy.
:
: To date across all Y-DNA databases I have found only 5 low level
12/12 matches at FTDNA, one of whom is a cousin, and another (Slovak)
gone upon testing at the 25 marker level, and 5 more at
yhrd.org in
Greece, Bulgaria, Poland, Belarus and an Dravidian Indian. Nothing
west of 20 degrees east longitude, and no surname remotely matching
Carroll.
:
: Now comes this mummified body in grave #70 in Egyin Gol, Northern
Mongolia, which is an exact match on the 8 markers tested (above),
with our Carroll Y-DNA. It is thought the next grave, #72, is his
son, who shares his DYS marker values. The article does not say if
these remains indicated blue-eyed blonds/redheads or not, but strongly
hints that they were. Not sure how one tells the eye color of a
skeleton..
:
: Will watch the December 2nd TV show with Spencer Wells with
interest. Probably nothing new as the original French paper is from
2003.
:
:
http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/AJHG/journal/issues/v73n2/35013/35013.we...
:
: Our haplotype differs from Lawrence Mayka's recently posted Central
European R1a Modal by 19/37 markers.
:
: Eric Olson