Peter,
Our Carroll Project chart gives a pedigree for # 112378 going
back to Litterluna. It also mentions Ballymacadam and O'Carrolls
of Leitir Lugna. Could someone please tell me where exactly on
the modern map of Ireland that would be located?
I haven't seen a pedigree on the chart which mentions O'Carrolls
of Ely. I think we are still trying to get a DNA test from a
male with the Carroll surname from the family of Fredrick James
O'Carroll, who claims to be Chief of Clan. I have written to him
a couple of times. Others have also. I believe he has not in
good health for a while, so I have not contacted him recently.
If someone from that family has been tested, would you please
send Kevin Carroll kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com a pedigree to post with
the kit # ? If no one has yet been tested, please send in a for
a Y-DNA67 test while FTDNA has the discounted price. The markers
38-67 are really needed to see if the NULL value shows up at DYS
425.
Lura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Carroll" <peter.carroll777(a)btinternet.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL-DNA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 37
Hi Mike,
Isn't the member of the project who is descended from Charles
Carroll of
Carrollton (Kit No. 112378 on the chart) a link to the O'Carrolls
of Ely? Or
am I missing something? All the same, another proven descendant
would be
fantastic.
Peter.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Carroll" <mike(a)beltlink.com>
To: "Michael O'Carroll" <fenitharbour(a)eircom.net>
Cc: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL-DNA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 37
Good morning. I am working on getting a strong candidate to help
identify
the Carroll's of Ely. Hopefully by the beginning of the year we
will have
the results.
On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Michael O'Carroll
<fenitharbour(a)eircom.net>wrote:
Mike/Laura
Hi all.
As a very casual follower of this amazing DNA historic
reflection, it is
the first time that I have seen some of the results for which I
am
looking;
definite isolation/identification of the five septs. I have
not yet done
the 37 marker test but will do so soon, sooner if there is any
chance of
confirming the sept to which we belong. We believe my family
have been in
Kilkenny since 0840, making us O'Carrolls of Ossory, but we
could have
just
travelled down the road from Ely??
My reference test numbers are U1830/D4808 - DNA Worldwide
Family Tree DNA Kit# 44330.
How many septs have been identified so far and where do I go
next.
Regards,
Michael O'Carroll
-----Original Message-----
From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:
carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Carroll
Sent: 31 October 2009 16:15
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL-DNA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 37
Lura:
Regarding your question, "I remember that you wrote a long time
ago about
going to
Northeastern Ireland and locating a grave stone with the name
most commonly used in your Carroll lineage?," you are mostly
correct. I
have not yet gone to the Oriel Territory yet but plan to do so
once the
exchange rate between the Euro and Dollar drops to a more
affordable rate,
eg $1.20:1. When I received my 37 marker results a few years
back, I was
closest in Y-DNA match as to the Carroll surname to your North
Carolina/Virginia group. From what I was able to determine
from the
genetic
distant chart was that we had a possible common relative within
300 to 500
years ago. With my early USA school education and reading the
book
'Trinity,' I learned that the first settlers of the eastern
coast of
United
States were Scots-Irish (North East and North Central
Irelanders). The
English planted the Scots in these Irish territory to quell the
many Irish
rebellions against English rule. But after two generations,
these Scots
now
considered themselves Irish and found that they too were second
class
citizens to the English gentry. The last straw was the Penal
Code laws
against the Catholics which were used even against the Scottish
planter
ascendants when the English gentry wanted their lands, etc...
So these
Scots-Irish having a recent history of moving from one land to
another
were
manifested to go further West to the colonies for freedom from
the English
bondage. So with my Y-DNA results and matching to your group,
I have
narrowed searching for my relations to Oriel territory in
Northeast
Ireland.
It is known through ancient historical record that there was a
Carroll
clan
that developed in what is modern day County Louth. Since my
family are
sea
faring people, I have been searching in coastal areas of County
Louth,
County Antrim, and County Down. My Carroll line has been using
the first
name Frank and Edwin for the last three generations. Henry is
a name that
a
staunch Catholic would have not named their son so I have been
searching
Presbyterian churches. I did find a Henry Carrol who married a
Mary
McKibbon in 1841 in County Down at the 2nd Presbyterian Church.
Also
found are three grave stones with the names Frank and Edwin
Carrol from
the
late 1600's and 1700's in a Presbyterian cemetery at a town
that no longer
exists called Raloo. Raloo was founded by the Crawfords and
Blairs in the
early 1600's as Planters. I am assuming that the Carrol's in
the Raloo
graveyard married into the Crawford or Blair family. There is
a lot of
history in that territory that is long forgotten yet
fascinating. Having
confirmed that my Carrolls are descendants of the Carrolls of
Oriel
through
the "NULL Value at DYS 425" has been an immense
breakthrough on
my family
research. My assumptions have been confirmed and now I can
move forward
in
full confidence in researching the Northeast of Ireland for my
relatives.
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