Michael O'Carroll,
First..... I may be just having a mental lapse, but I can't
figure out what this sentence in your letter means:
"My reference test numbers are U1830/D4808..."
I thought they might represent a branch of the Haplotree, but
your kit # 44330 shows you have not yet had the Deep Clade test
to determine if your R1b1b2 Haplogroup can be further defined. I
don't see those numbers used there as a tree branch. I tried to
see if they might be a YSearch ID, but they did not work there.
So what reference test uses U1830/D4808?
Second..... To my knowledge no Septs had ever been defined before
DNA testing began. A person may have grown up being told they
were related to some other Carroll, but I had never even heard
the term "Sept" until my genealogy research. Those of you who
still live in Ireland or have only been away a generation or two
may know their Sept. We couldn't identify the Septs by the DNA
until a lot of people are tested who KNOW where their Carroll
ancestry lived. Then we can compare ours with that person.
What I am trying to say, Michael, is that you are a very
important component in that process. You know just where your
ancestors lived, so we need to know your profile. Then we will
have something with which to compare. You say you plan to
upgrade to 37. Be sure to check the upgrade price against the
price for a Y-DNA37 test at the special reduced rate offered now.
If you feel you can only pay for 37 markers, there might be help
available to make that a Y-DNA67 test. If you are interested,
check with Kevin Carroll to see if you qualify for help based on
the offer at the website:
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carroll/default.aspx?section=news
You don't know the Sept, but you do know the location.
Lura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael O'Carroll" <fenitharbour(a)eircom.net>
To: <mike(a)beltlink.com>; <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL-DNA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 37
|
| Mike/Laura
| Hi all.
| As a very casual follower of this amazing DNA historic
reflection, it is the first time that I have seen some of the
results for which I am looking; definite isolation/identification
of the five septs. I have not yet done the 37 marker test but
will do so soon, sooner if there is any chance of confirming the
sept to which we belong. We believe my family have been in
Kilkenny since 0840, making us O'Carrolls of Ossory, but we could
have just travelled down the road from Ely??
| My reference test numbers are U1830/D4808 - DNA Worldwide
| Family Tree DNA Kit# 44330.
|
| How many septs have been identified so far and where do I go
next.
|
| Regards,
|
| Michael O'Carroll
|
|
| -----Original Message-----
| From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carroll-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Carroll
| Sent: 31 October 2009 16:15
| To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
| Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL-DNA Digest, Vol 4, Issue 37
|
| Lura:
|
| Regarding your question, "I remember that you wrote a long time
ago about going to
| Northeastern Ireland and locating a grave stone with the name
| most commonly used in your Carroll lineage?," you are mostly
correct. I have not yet gone to the Oriel Territory yet but plan
to do so once the exchange rate between the Euro and Dollar drops
to a more affordable rate, eg $1.20:?1. When I received my 37
marker results a few years back, I was closest in Y-DNA match as
to the Carroll surname to your North Carolina/Virginia group.
From what I was able to determine from the genetic distant chart
was that we had a possible common relative within 300 to 500
years ago. With my early USA school education and reading the
book 'Trinity,' I learned that the first settlers of the eastern
coast of United States were Scots-Irish (North East and North
Central Irelanders). The English planted the Scots in these
Irish territory to quell the many Irish rebellions against
English rule. But after two generations, these Scots now
considered themselves Irish and found that they too were second
class citizens to the English gentry. The last straw was the
Penal Code laws against the Catholics which were used even
against the Scottish planter ascendants when the English gentry
wanted their lands, etc... So these Scots-Irish having a recent
history of moving from one land to another were manifested to go
further West to the colonies for freedom from the English
bondage. So with my Y-DNA results and matching to your group, I
have narrowed searching for my relations to Oriel territory in
Northeast Ireland. It is known through ancient historical record
that there was a Carroll clan that developed in what is modern
day County Louth. Since my family are sea faring people, I have
been searching in coastal areas of County Louth, County Antrim,
and County Down. My Carroll line has been using the first name
Frank and Edwin for the last three generations. Henry is a name
that a staunch Catholic would have not named their son so I have
been searching Presbyterian churches. I did find a Henry Carrol
who married a Mary McKibbon in 1841 in County Down at the 2nd
Presbyterian Church. Also
| found are three grave stones with the names Frank and Edwin
Carrol from the late 1600's and 1700's in a Presbyterian cemetery
at a town that no longer exists called Raloo. Raloo was founded
by the Crawfords and Blairs in the early 1600's as Planters. I
am assuming that the Carrol's in the Raloo graveyard married into
the Crawford or Blair family. There is a lot of history in that
territory that is long forgotten yet fascinating. Having
confirmed that my Carrolls are descendants of the Carrolls of
Oriel through the "NULL Value at DYS 425" has been an immense
breakthrough on my family research. My assumptions have been
confirmed and now I can move forward in full confidence in
researching the Northeast of Ireland for my relatives.
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