Leaving no stone unturned.........
Eric Olson
ericbear01(a)earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Olson
To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L
Sent: 2/20/2006 9:00:21 PM
Subject: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
I know Y-DNA Haplogroup R1a is found throughout Europe, in a decreasing cline east to
west, but its presence in Spain must be nearly as low as in Ireland. I am therefore
surprised to find in ySearch 7QPK3, an R1a from Burgos, northern Spain - almost in Basque
country - in 1780. I am further struck by the surname Carral y Zarauz, listed with
variant spellings Carroll and Carrel. My Carroll family spelled their name Carrel until
about 1850, and were in Pennsylvania before 1800, and said to be Pennsylvania
"Dutch". We have only a 10/12 match with this Spanish Y-DNA sample, differing
at DYS #385a,b, which are volatile. That is, 11,15 for the Pennsylvania Carrel vs. 12,14
for the Spainard.
Could I be looking at Spanish or Basque heritage? The 7QPK3 sample came from the
Genographic Project. I welcome any comments before I consider contacting the donor.
Eric Olson
ericbear01(a)earthlink.net
Eric,
As you know, it is very difficult to assume very much on comparing just 12 alleles. About
all that can be found there is the very
ancient past. However, in this game I say go for any and all leads. I think many
Carrolls will be surprised to learn that all do
NOT come from Ireland and even fewer are 'cousins' of CC of Carrollton... as the
family legends have been told.
What about K3P89? Have you corresponded with that person? It seems you have a perfect
match on the first twelve markers with him.
Also, I pay no attention the spelling of names. I don't know how what I pronounce as
"Carol" is going to be spelled in another
language. How in the world did "Cearbhaill" get translated from Ireland as
Carroll??
I think we will learn that many Carl, Karl, Karol, etc. surnames have become Carroll, just
as have many Carrells. In my family a
school teacher "corrected" the spelling used by the Carrell children until they
finally wrote "Carroll" on their papers.
Still looking and learning,
Lura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:10 AM
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
: Leaving no stone unturned.........
:
: Eric Olson
: ericbear01(a)earthlink.net
:
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: Eric Olson
: To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L
: Sent: 2/20/2006 9:00:21 PM
: Subject: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
:
:
: I know Y-DNA Haplogroup R1a is found throughout Europe, in a decreasing cline east to
west, but its presence in Spain must be
nearly as low as in Ireland. I am therefore surprised to find in ySearch 7QPK3, an R1a
from Burgos, northern Spain - almost in
Basque country - in 1780. I am further struck by the surname Carral y Zarauz, listed with
variant spellings Carroll and Carrel.
My Carroll family spelled their name Carrel until about 1850, and were in Pennsylvania
before 1800, and said to be Pennsylvania
"Dutch". We have only a 10/12 match with this Spanish Y-DNA sample, differing
at DYS #385a,b, which are volatile. That is, 11,15
for the Pennsylvania Carrel vs. 12,14 for the Spainard.
:
: Could I be looking at Spanish or Basque heritage? The 7QPK3 sample came from the
Genographic Project. I welcome any comments
before I consider contacting the donor.
:
: Eric Olson
: ericbear01(a)earthlink.net