From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
"That teacher should be fired!"
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Eric,
A hundred fifty years ago when that name change took place the rural communities were glad
to get a teacher. :-)
I expect that Kevin monitors this mail list, so perhaps he will see your note about new
items to be posted.
Lura
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
To: <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 8:33 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
: Lura,
:
: Don't say that to Kevin. He will not hear of it. "All Carrolls are Irish.
: Charles Carroll of Carrollton did not own slaves. There are no African
: Americans who got their Carroll surname from their former owners, etc.,
: etc. yada, yada, yada..." Where is he by the way? There have been new
: Carroll Y-DNA results posted at FTDNA for some time, but not yet
: transcribed to his Carroll Surname Y-DNA Project website...
:
: I contacted the Spanish Carral (7QPK3) and he is now going for a full Deep
: SNP test at FTDNA. That will simply confirm his Haplogroup R1a status and
: put him in a sub-clade of R1a. I wish he would go for more STR markers,
: which are more useful for genealogy. Gary Felix who administers the Mexico
: Genealogy Project has contacted me with a possible answer as to how any R1a
: got into Spain at all. It is found there at about 2%, compared to Ireland
: with only 1%. His explanation is quite sensible and based upon history,
: and is even slightly romantic.
:
: It seems that Spain controlled the low countries of the Netherlands,
: Flanders (Flemish) and Belgium during the 1500s. These countries have
: quite a bit of Haplogroup R1a. They were part of the Spanish Empire then
: and were known as the Spanish Netherlands. In 1588 the Spanish King Philip
: II, a good Catholic, decided to invade England and bring that country back
: into his Church. He assembled the Spanish Armada, a huge fleet of ships,
: for that purpose. While rendezvousing just off the coast north of
: Corunna, Spain a series of storms scattered the fleet. Perhaps some were
: shipwreaked on the coast? At any rate the fleet reassembled and sailed for
: England, but were defeated.
:
: The interesting thing is that Philip II formed the Armada in the Spanish
: Netherlands, and the ships departed from Flanders, manned by Flemish
: sailors, who spoke both Dutch and French, and many of them no doubt R1a..
: That is the connection between the low countries and Spain. It took me
: only a minute on Google to find several instances of Flemish sea captains
: marrying Spanish women and remaining in Spain in those times.
:
: I have been in contact with K3P89 and YPVQM, both of who are 12/12 matches.
: Both however extended to 37 markers and the apparent relationships fell
: away. They haven't posted their new markers to ySearch yet..
:
: For Carroll pronunciation you can always use the Soundex system. Carroll
: is pronunciation C640.
:
: That teacher should be fired!
:
: Regards
: Eric Olson
:
: > [Original Message]
: > From: Lura <luraj(a)triad.rr.com>
: > To: <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: > Date: 2/21/2006 10:49:01 AM
: > Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
: >
: > Eric,
: >
: > As you know, it is very difficult to assume very much on comparing just
: 12 alleles. About all that can be found there is the very
: > ancient past. However, in this game I say go for any and all leads. I
: think many Carrolls will be surprised to learn that all do
: > NOT come from Ireland and even fewer are 'cousins' of CC of Carrollton...
: as the family legends have been told.
: >
: > What about K3P89? Have you corresponded with that person? It seems you
: have a perfect match on the first twelve markers with him.
: > Also, I pay no attention the spelling of names. I don't know how what I
: pronounce as "Carol" is going to be spelled in another
: > language. How in the world did "Cearbhaill" get translated from Ireland
: as Carroll??
: >
: > I think we will learn that many Carl, Karl, Karol, etc. surnames have
: become Carroll, just as have many Carrells. In my family a
: > school teacher "corrected" the spelling used by the Carrell children
: until they finally wrote "Carroll" on their papers.
: >
: > Still looking and learning,
: > Lura
: >
: > ----- Original Message -----
: > From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
: > To: <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: > Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 12:10 AM
: > Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
: >
: >
: > : Leaving no stone unturned.........
: > :
: > : Eric Olson
: > : ericbear01(a)earthlink.net
: > :
: > :
: > : ----- Original Message -----
: > : From: Eric Olson
: > : To: GENEALOGY-DNA-L
: > : Sent: 2/20/2006 9:00:21 PM
: > : Subject: Spanish (Basque?) R1a Oddity
: > :
: > :
: > : I know Y-DNA Haplogroup R1a is found throughout Europe, in a decreasing
: cline east to west, but its presence in Spain must be
: > nearly as low as in Ireland. I am therefore surprised to find in
: ySearch 7QPK3, an R1a from Burgos, northern Spain - almost in
: > Basque country - in 1780. I am further struck by the surname Carral y
: Zarauz, listed with variant spellings Carroll and Carrel.
: > My Carroll family spelled their name Carrel until about 1850, and were in
: Pennsylvania before 1800, and said to be Pennsylvania
: > "Dutch". We have only a 10/12 match with this Spanish Y-DNA sample,
: differing at DYS #385a,b, which are volatile. That is, 11,15
: > for the Pennsylvania Carrel vs. 12,14 for the Spainard.
: > :
: > : Could I be looking at Spanish or Basque heritage? The 7QPK3 sample
: came from the Genographic Project. I welcome any comments
: > before I consider contacting the donor.
: > :
: > : Eric Olson
: > : ericbear01(a)earthlink.net