Hi Penny,
I had noticed your address was recently added to the mail list, and we
welcome you.
As far as this being a list primarily for Americans....
The list is open for anyone anywhere with an interest in DNA as a tool
in CARROLL genealogy. Perhaps there are more people on the mail list
from the USA, and perhaps they have more DNA profiles plotted in the
Carroll DNA Project chart. I really don't know, because I have no way
of knowing where each person on the list lives or whether that person
has sent a DNA sample. I did notice the .au on the end of your
address and assumed that meant Australia. Some persons use hotmail,
gmail, or some other web based address which they can access anywhere
in the world.
I suppose the persons whose ancestors have continued to live in the
same area in "the old country" don't see a need to take a DNA test to
learn the location of where their ancestors lived. I wish there were
a way to have a Carroll DNA haplotype (profile) from each main family
still living on the land of their forefathers - whether that was in
Ireland or elsewhere. I think someday that will happen. Some DNA
Projects raise money to finance tests for certain family lines that
seem critical to their study.
It would certainly be helpful to have a DNA sample from one of Peter's
male descendants with the Carr*ll surname - with no adoption or
"non-paternal events" in the lineage. You would not be a candidate
for this test, because the alleles (markers) being tested are the
"space fillers" between important genes on the Y chromosome, which is
passed in the sperm only from a man to his son. There is an mtDNA
test a woman can take which shows only her female lineage - her
mother, her mother, her mother, etc.
I don't know if there is a haplotype already in the CARROLL project
which Peter would match or not. Most of the ones I know about have
not made footprints across the ocean yet. Some list Ireland as place
of origin, but that is based on what they have been told, not a
factual record. At least you know he was convicted at Louth, Ireland.
That is more than I know, but mine were here much earlier. The
prisons were at least partly emptied in England before they began on
Irish prisons. Also homeless or delinquent children were rounded up
from the streets and sent here to work. Isn't it amazing what a lot of
open space, sunshine, hard work, and organically grown food did to
develop those poor folks, prisoners, and children into a strong
nation?
No matter what we learn about our ancestors, it won't change who they
helped us to become.
Lura
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Penny Ferguson" <fergcanb(a)grapevine.net.au>
To: <CARROLL-DNA(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 8:37 PM
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Australian CARROLLS/CARRALLS
:I note that this is primarily an American List. Do you know where
the
: original Carroll/Carrells came from? There were quite a few
Carrolls that
: came to Australia in the 1790's to early 1800s. Mine was Peter
Carroll on
: the first convict ship from Ireland and was a possible Defender. He
started
: out with an unfair disadvantage. He was a RC, Irish, Convict and ?
possibly
: did not speak English but gaelic. His sons in the early Australian
state of
: NSW were Carroll around the town of Windsor NSW and those who
traveled
: north became Carrall. Until I did Carroll (!) research, those who
were
: Carrall would not accept that they were of the same family. Lots of
lovely
: photos and certificates later it is now fact. Nobody has traced
Peters
: parents as yet but he was convicted at Louth. I can possibly find a
: descendant of the name Carroll/Carrall to see if we can find a DNA
match -at
: least 7 gens. Is this worthwhile at this stage or would it not
compare with
: any existing ? My own line is mother, grandmother, g grandmother,
: ggfather then Peter 1. I guess my DNA would not be "reliable"? as
not a
: straight paternal line. I would be interested in a reply. With
thanks,
: Penny in Australia