Listers,
My mother Edith Carroll's family surname was spelled CARREL or CARROL up
until about 1850, when it changed it to CARROLL. I have found CARRELs in
Slovakia, Jersey in the Channel Islands, France (Huguenots), Canton Berne
in Switzerland, and in the Ukraine. In the passenger list for the 1748
sailing of the ship Patience, from Rotterdam to Philadelphia with a stop in
Cowes, England, are two Carrel men, John and Jacob, but when they took the
oath of naturalization the next day, there were spelled as Carle and Karle.
(by some courthouse clerk?).
Karle to Carrel to Carroll? Yes it's possible. I believe Soundex C640
treats them all the same phonetically.. The Australian Carrall I have not
heard of before, but there are Carrals in Spain.
In eastern Europe Karol can mean Charles or Carl, and I guess King in
Russia. Charlemagne can be interpreted as Charles. Most Carrolls of
course are Irish, and I think it an occupational surname originally meaning
"butcher" or "hacker", as in a fierce warrior... But not all present
day
Carrolls are Irish.
Eric
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From: Mabel <kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: 10/17/2007 12:14:12 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Australian CARROLLS/CARRALLS
Penny,
It would be great if you could have one of your Carroll surname males
join
the DNA project. If you would like to know more about the project
and
some
info about the Carroll's you can look at the following websites.
As you
do
more research you will find that while the Carroll surname primarily
comes
from the British Isles, the name is also found in other countries.
For
example, in Russian the word King is KAROL so it would be possible for
Russian moving to another country to write their name as carol or
carroll.
These same type of translations could exist in many situations. As
you
know, many of the Irish it the 17 and 1800's did not speak English so
names
were written by English speakers as they sounded not necessarily as
they
might actually be!
http://www.childtalk.com/History/carrollfamilydna.html
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/carroll/
I did some research on one family of Carroll surname who originated in
County Cavan. The father, Thomas was born around 1798 while the mother,
Margaret McMahon, county Meath about the same time. Most of their
children
immigrated to the United States, however at least one, Owen
immigrated to
Australia. There is another brother who may have gone but we do not have
his name. Two Brothers fought on the Confederate side in the American
Civil War ( One Terence died in the conflict ).
As mentioned by Lura, the surname project crosses all borders and is not
only a United States project. If you can get one of your relatives to
participate it would be nice if they could have the 37 marker test done
since this is a very good test for close relationships. You can go into
the
familytreedna.com website and look at the FAQ's ( Frequently
Asked
Questions ) in order to find answers to many questions.
Good luck and we will look forward to the possibility of your family
joining
the project.
Sincerely
Kevin Carroll
Voluntee
Administrator FamilyTreeDNA Carroll Surname Project,
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From: "Penny Ferguson" <fergcanb(a)grapevine.net.au>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 3:37 AM
To: <CARROLL-DNA(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Australian CARROLLS/CARRALLS
> I note that this is primarily an American List. Do you know where the
> original Carroll/Carrells came from? There were quite a few Carrolls
that
> came to Australia in the 1790's to early 1800s. Mine was
Peter Carroll
on
> the first convict ship from Ireland and was a possible Defender.
He
> started
> out with an unfair disadvantage. He was a RC, Irish, Convict and ?
> possibly
> did not speak English but gaelic. His sons in the early Australian
state
> of
> NSW were Carroll around the town of Windsor NSW and those who traveled
> north became Carrall. Until I did Carroll (!) research, those who were
> Carrall would not accept that they were of the same family. Lots of
lovely
> photos and certificates later it is now fact. Nobody has traced
Peters
> parents as yet but he was convicted at Louth. I can possibly find a
> descendant of the name Carroll/Carrall to see if we can find a DNA
> match -at
> least 7 gens. Is this worthwhile at this stage or would it not compare
> with
> any existing ? My own line is mother, grandmother, g grandmother,
> ggfather then Peter 1. I guess my DNA would not be "reliable"? as not a
> straight paternal line. I would be interested in a reply. With thanks,
> Penny in Australia
>
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