Hi James,
I thought you had been really quiet lately. Glad you will be able to
stay home for at least a short while.
I was thinking that the orange stripe through the middle of the chart
at
http://www.childtalk.com/History/carrollfamilydnavalues.pdf
was looking great as it gets wider and wider, but now that you are
back in action we may be in competition from that pretty Carolina blue
stripe at the top. That's OK! Every time we identify and plot the
DNA of a CARROLL means we are one step closer to sorting this very
difficult puzzle.
The Sampson County group has not been found by someone of another
surname who matches closely with the Carrolls, and believes they may
have ancestors in common. However, there are several with other names
who have many alleles in common I want to contact to see if we can
find times when the families lived near each other.
We do have the opposite problem. We have three Carrolls with paper
trails back to Sampson County who definitely do not match with the
others shown in the orange section. The genealogy suggests one of
those should match, but he doesn't so far match anybody anywhere. Two
others trace lineage to an ancestor who was in a different part of the
county at a slightly later time, so they may be descended from an
entirely different Carroll family.
Actually I have been pleasantly surprised we have not found more of
these "non-paternal" events so far in the Carroll family. I think
many of the surname projects are finding them, but I guess that
suggests that human nature hasn't changed that much in the last few
hundred years.
Maybe we can't turn our imperfect dirt-farmer ancestors into kings or
diplomats or great musicians, but we can appreciate them all for the
thing they did extremely well - REAR US.
"If I learn my ancestors were less than perfect, that doesn't change
who they helped me to become. I'm still me!"
Lura
----- Original Message -----
From: <JWC51(a)aol.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2007 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Orange and Rockingham Counties, NC
: Hello Lura (and group)! This is James Carroll and I'm still alive
and
: kicking. I have been traveling extensively in the past six months
doing some
: contract work and out of the country twice, etc., so have seen the
DNA group
: e-mails but haven't had a chance to respond until now.
:
: First, let me thank you for agreeing to become coordinator and
commend you
: on the fine job you're doing. I knew you would. We corresponded
early on when
: this group first started since we both have interest in North
Carolina
: Carrolls, and I see you always trying to help people on other
message boards as well
: as this one.
:
: I also want to welcome Peter and others who have joined recently.
For those
: of you who have been in the group for a while know, I have given
testimony in
: the past of how the DNA testing has helped in my pursuit and urged
the
: recruiting of others to participate. I am pasting in an e-mail at
the end of this
: one that I wrote to the group in February, 2006, that detailed this
for those
: of you who are new to the group.
:
: Before relating what else DNA testing has revealed in our family,
let me
: address this e-mail of 10/19, Lura. I am aware of Stephen and
Clement Carroll
: from Orange County, NC, who settled in McNairy County, TN. They are
the sons of
: Benjamin Carroll and great grandsons of Stephen Carroll, both who
left wills
: that have survived. I have been unable to make any connection with
my
: Michael, but corresponded a few months ago with a woman who is a
descendant of this
: family and asked her to try to have a male descendant give a DNA
sample. She
: was contacting a cousin about this, but I need to follow up with her
to see
: what has transpired.
:
: Now, for the update regarding another use of DNA testing. My fourth
great
: grandfather, Michael Carroll of Orange County, had a son, Moses, who
migrated
: to Carroll County, Georgia, and two of Moses' sons migrated on to
Arkansas.
: One was my great, great grandfather, who came with his wife. The
other brother
: came with his young son (mother unknown) and eventually married in
Arkansas.
: But there have been persistent rumors that have been posted on
message boards
: by a family with a different surname over the years that my
gggrandfather's
: brother (also named Michael after his grandfather in NC) fathered a
child
: with a woman that was not his wife and that they are the
descendants of this
: union. Michael's great, great granddaughter challenged them to
produce evidence
: on more than one occasion, but they were unable to do so. In the
meantime, I
: had her submit the DNA of her brother, and he matched me perfectly
on 37 of
: 37 (see first two kits in the first light blue grouping of five).
She recently
: was able to locate a descendant of the man who was the product of
this
: alleged illicit union, and asked him to submit a DNA sample. His
results are seen
: in the fifth (last) column of our light blue section, and as you
can see, he
: matched us on 35 of 37 markers. Apparently the rumor passed down
through the
: years is true. But we would probably have never known for sure
except for the
: DNA test.
:
: My 2006 post is below. We've come a long way as to number of
participants
: from the first roll call Eric called for three years ago. Let's keep
going.
: Lura, lead us on.
: James
: Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] RECENT SUCCESSES/ ENCOURAGEMENT TO
RECRUIT
: OTHERS Date: 2/28/2006 1:20:41 PM Central Standard Time From:
_JWC51(a)aol.com_
: (mailto:JWC51@aol.com)
:
: This is James Carroll, Kit # 28645 (first one listed on the
Carroll web
: site). I joined the project early on. We have been able to go back
no
: further
: than my fourth great-grandfather, Michael Carroll, who lived in
Orange
: County,
: North Carolina, born ca. 1766 (but birthplace and state unknown). A
distant
: cousin hired a prominent genealogical researcher and publisher in
North
: Carolina about 15 years ago to do "on-ground" research in North
Carolina,
: who first
: discovered that Michael was the father of my third great
grandfather, Moses
:
: Carroll. But he could establish no definitive blood relationship
with other
: Carrolls in the area with whom Michael was associated.
:
:
: I came on the scene about three years ago, and discovered these
other
: researchers, and have now taken the lead in getting past the
proverbial
: brick wall.
: I made two trips to North Carolina, and last fall spent three days
in the
: NC
: State Archives. I found documents proving who Michael's wife was
(the widow
: of a Tory who was sentenced to death for treason), along with many
other
: documents that provided some fascinating information about his life
and
: death,
: but nothing to definitively identify his parents.
:
: After having no matches with any Carroll DNA participants, last
November I
: received notice of a 12 marker match, and encouraged the family
member of
: the
: participant with whom I corresponded to expand it to at least 25.
We
: subsequently matched on 24 of 25. They had information going back
to Texas
: in the
: late 1800s. After further research, I was able to work back to a
Hugh
: Carroll,
: who lived in Nashville, TN, who was born in North Carolina in
1819, even
: locating a great granddaughter who confirmed the information. I'm
still
: working
: to go beyond Hugh to see if I can find a link with Michael.
:
: Then in the past couple of weeks, I was notified of a 36 of 37
match (not
: posted yet).This individual is still forwarding me information,
but his
: earliest
: known ancestor is Zedekiah D. Carroll, born in York, SC, in 1802. A
census
: search indicates his parents were born in Virginia. I have always
suspected
: Michael or his ancestors migrated to NC from VA. So I am just
beginning to
: search for a link here.
:
: I say all of that to say this. I believe that DNA will be the tool
that
: will
: enable me to find the ancestors of Michael Carroll, if they are to
be found.
: We have exhausted the traditional means. I want to encourage
everyone to
: recruit as many Carrolls as possible to participate in the DNA
project for
: everyone's benefit. I have studied what some other surname
families have
: done
: through DNA, and the results and the connections they have been
able to
: make are
: amazing. But they have numerous participants. I recently
corresponded with a
: Carroll that I discovered on a web site who had submitted a sample
that was
:
: lost, and upon receiving another kit, lost it during the middle of a
crisis.
: I
: encouraged them to try again, even offering to help pay for it. They
have
: requested another kit.
:
: My bottom line - let's actively recruit others to participate. I've
seen
: how
: fruitful the results have been for others. We can see that too. If
you're
: still awake after reading my mini-novel, thanks for your time.
: James
:
:
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