Kevin,
Thank your for the letters you have written and the work you continue to do on behalf of
the Carroll DNA Project. I understand that
any older man may not want to participate in a project that he feels may take away his
privacy. I suspect that the one who lives in
the country homeplace of any historic hero has to fight a continuing battle to keep a
measure of family privacy. So if Phillip
Carroll is the present owner and he has declined to be tested, we just need to learn if
there are others who might take the test.
We also need to occasionally mention it again to Phillip very gently. I think it takes
about three POSITIVE exposures to a new idea
for a person to consider embracing that idea. It only takes one NEGATIVE exposure to seal
a closed mind.
Thanks again. I'll try to write Phillip a little later.
Lura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Carroll" <kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com>
To: <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 6:02 AM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: RE: [CARROLL] Re: Charles Carroll
: Dear Eric,
:
: I did followup with an offer to provide further info but there was no
: reply. In the Maryland archives it mentions that this family are descended
: from the Charles Carroll of Carrolton. The family acreage was carved up
: between many of the Carroll family but I really haven't been able to
: research this.
:
: On the O'Carroll ( Cian ), while he has given courtesy recognition there
: have been questions raised by Irish Historian, Sean Murphy (
:
http://homepage.eircom.net/%7Eseanjmurphy/chiefs/4chiefs.htm ) which deserve
: some answers. I have not contact O'Carroll directly because there are some
: who actually know him who have made the request. Giving DNA for some is a
: very personal thing and there may be reasons why they don't want their DNA
: out in the public. But I will make a request to him as well as a followup
: to Phillip Carroll of Doureghan. I think Phillip Carroll may be of the
: Carroll branch of Literluna while the O'Carroll of Cian may be from an
: offshoot in Kerry but I am only writing what I may have read, not what I
: know. Thanks.
:
: Regards
:
: Kevin
:
: ----- Original Message -----
: From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
: To: "Kevin Carroll" <kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com>;
<CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: Cc: "Carroll-l" <Carroll-l(a)rootsweb.com>
: Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 3:26 PM
: Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: RE: [CARROLL] Re: Charles Carroll
:
:
: > Hi Kevin,
: >
: > This should be of the highest priority for the Carroll Surname Y-DNA
: > Project. If he has living sons then it is not so critical to test him,
: but
: > if not, what a loss to posterity if no haplotype can be obtained for
: this
: > famous and historic family. Apparently is should be the same as the
: > current "Baron Ely O'Carroll himself," but who I hear will also not
: test.
: > I don't know his name offhand, but I think Lura does.
: >
: > How does this Philip Carroll living in Doughoregan Manor in Maryland
: > connect with Charles Carroll of Carrollton? Is he a direct descendant?
: >
: > Regards,
: > Eric Olson
: >
: >
: >
: >
: >> [Original Message]
: >> From: Kevin Carroll <kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com>
: >> To: <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>; <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: >> Date: 7/4/2006 12:35:58 AM
: >> Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: RE: [CARROLL] Re: Charles Carroll
: >>
: >> Hello,
: >>
: >> I corresponded with Phillip Carroll of Dohregan Mansion last year.
: He
: > was
: >> gracious, elderly, and didn't feel up to taking any tests. I will try
: > him
: >> again but I know that he is over eighty years old. But I was happy
: that
: > he
: >> responded in writing. In my readings about the Maryland area the
: family
: > to
: >> which he is related is quite large so if someone lives in that area it
: > seems
: >> like they might be able to talk one of the youngers ones into taking
: the
: >> FamilyTreeDNA test.
: >>
: >> Regards
: >>
: >> Kevin
: >>
: >> ----- Original Message -----
: >> From: "Eric Olson" <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
: >> To: <CARROLL-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: >> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:00 PM
: >> Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] FW: RE: [CARROLL] Re: Charles Carroll
: >>
: >>
: >> > OOPS!
: >> >
: >> > It is Charles...
: >> >
: >> > See here .......
:
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles15/shrines-46.shtml
: >> >
: >> > Eric Olson
: >> > ericbear01(a)earthlink.net
: >> >
: >> > Eight nickels makes 2 paradigms.
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >> [Original Message]
: >> >> From: Eric Olson <ericbear01(a)earthlink.net>
: >> >> To: <CARROLL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: >> >> Date: 7/3/2006 10:35:31 PM
: >> >> Subject: RE: [CARROLL] Re: Charles Carroll
: >> >>
: >> >> Well Marc,
: >> >>
: >> >> This jives with what I read several years ago about that Carroll
: > Manor
: >> in
: >> >> Maryland and its inhabitant. He was either Philip or Anthony
: > Carroll,
: >> and
: >> >> was fighting against land developers who wanted easements through
: his
: >> >> property, etc. Don't know of course if he is the same man,
but
: >> probably
: >> >> so. It has a ring of truth about it. Thus ends the saga of
"The
: >> Princes
: >> >> of Ireland, The Planters of Maryland." It kinda brings a tear
to
: my
: >> eye,
: >> >> even though they were never my Carrolls.
: >> >>
: >> >> Now someone needs to do a little research starting with the 1930
: > census
: >> > for
: >> >> that address, etc., and work backwards to confirm the Carroll line
: in
: >> >> residence there back to say Charles Carroll of Homewood and
: Harriet
: >> Chew,
: >> >> or their close relatives, or whoever lived there. Then maybe this
: >> whole
: >> >> business of folks believing they are descended from C. C. of C.
: can
: > be
: >> > laid
: >> >> to rest. They aren't...
: >> >>
: >> >> Now Daniel Carroll, signer of the U. S. Constitution, is a
: different
: >> >> matter....
: >> >>
: >> >> Thanks,
: >> >> Eric Olson
: >> >>
: >> >>
: >> >> > [Original Message]
: >> >> > From: <MarcCarrollOH(a)cs.com>
: >> >> > To: <CARROLL-L(a)rootsweb.com>
: >> >> > Date: 7/3/2006 8:12:11 PM
: >> >> > Subject: [CARROLL] Re: Charles Carroll
: >> >> >
: >> >> > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this
mailing
: > list.
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Classification: Query
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Message Board URL:
: >> >> >
: >> >> >
: >> >>
: >> >
: >>
: >
:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/1hH.2ACEB/23.29.32.59.111.125.127.1
: >> >> 32.133.2353.1
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Message Board Post:
: >> >> >
: >> >> > I see you're still looking for that male descendant. When
I was
: > down
: >> at
: >> >> Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore researching the Carroll
: line,
: > it
: >> was
: >> >> my understanding that there was one elderly male descendant still
: >> living.
: >> >> The last of this line of Carrolls. Unfortunately, it was my
: >> understanding
: >> >> that he was very much a recluse, on hard times and was
: uncooperative
: > to
: >> >> anyone wanting to ask questions of his ancestors or family
: history.
: >> This
: >> >> was ten years ago.
: >> >> >
: >> >> > Marc Carroll
: >> >>
: >> >
: >> >
: >> >
: >> > ==== CARROLL-DNA Mailing List ====
: >> >
www.familytreedna.com/public/carroll
: >> >
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: >> >
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: >> >
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