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Charles E,
The posting on the CARROLL Project Chart is not an automatic
process handled by a computer. It is actually done by a working
man. Kevin isn't even retired like some of the rest of us...
unless he has retired recently. Anyway, if you don't see it in
several days, just send it to him again.
I appreciate his tolerance as well as his diligent work for us.
Lura
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles E. Carroll" <dixie24(a)valornet.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Carroll DNA project
| Lura,
| I have sent my gedcom twice and yet to see it posted.
| Charles C.
Charles E,
I must admit that many of us have neglected to do that which
would be most helpful to the ones who are sent the names of
"matches". For example, on the personal website, my cousin #
32061 has six perfect 25/25 matches and 26 more who have a
genetic distance of one. Only one of those men show a pedigree
button on the right side of the chart. Even though that person
does not have the CARROLL surname, I am glad to see that he was
descended from the NE corner of Ireland and back further, from
Scotland. That is just the area I am now trying to learn about
as the POSSIBLE background for my Scots-Irish Carroll.
Charles E, you are one of the perfect matches, and there is no
pedigree for you. I must confess... you don't have one showing
by my cousin either, because I have neglected to upload the
GEDCOM. We all need to do that!! HOW?
On the Personal Website on the left side under TOOLS, there is a
link for "GEDCOM - Family Tree". There are instructions for
creating and uploading to FTDNA a GEDCOM file of your family to
share with only those persons who are determined by FTDNA to be
close matches with you. This would need to begin with the DNA
donor and going back in time. Genealogy software programs will
have slightly different ways of preparing that file.
Once the file is prepared, go back to the FTDNA page, click the
"Browse" button and locate it on your hard drive. Then click
"Upload" and FTDNA will have your GEDCOM file and hopefully will
put a button by your name, so others who you match can see your
family.
I guess we had all better try to learn how to do that. I don't
think FTDNA will put the name of the donor, but perhaps you might
want to begin one generation back if you are more comfortable
doing it that way.
Thanks, Charles E, for being the catalyst to remind us to do
that.
Lura
Genealogy: Where you confuse the dead and irritate the living.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Charles E. Carroll" <dixie24(a)valornet.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Carroll DNA project
|I must not have as much patience as I believe I had at one time.
It just
| seems like we all wasted a chunk of change for what looked like
a good
| project.
|
| If none of the "matches" are sharing their Carroll family tree,
it wont make
| any difference how many tests are run.
|
| I personally have too much Carroll research to do and not a lot
of time left
| to spend perfecting my knowledge of dna. I must confess I
have a small
| suspicion in the back of my mind about the validity of this
program in
| helping us understand the early Carroll families of Duplin /
Sampson
| Counties.
|
| Charles E. Carroll
Kevin,
When a person sends his gedcom file to FTDNA, does FTDNA forward
that to you, or does the donor need to upload the GEDCOM and also
send the pedigree to you?
Lura
Thanks for your reply Jim. Sharing is the key if one wants to learn
something about their family. I would like to see the matches pedigree
charts.
Charles C.
Charles,
I've been doing genealogy since the mid-1970s, and it seems my patience, too, is dwindling - there's just too much I'd like to do, and not enough time. I started the BARTLETT-DNA Project in 2002, and we've had our ups and downs, and there are project particpants who participated with their DNA, but not with their genealogies. Gradually most of them have come around. I think it's the same for many SURNAME projects.
For the past several years I've been presenting a genealogy-DNA talk at various genealogy venues in the Washington, DC area. Lots of new interest these days.
DNA is only a tool for us; and a key second ingredient is sharing the ancestral trees when there is a match. Most DNA participants will do this, and as time goes by, and we get more participants in each SURNAME project, the picture will develop. In our BARTLETT project, we now have over 150 participants, and have matching DNA verification for 18 separate lines. Anyone can now submit a relatively inexpensive 12--marker DNA test, and (in most cases) positively determine which line they belong to.
I'm anxious to learn the DNA "signature" for several of the major CARROLL lines.
Jim Bartlett
On Aug 17, 2009, Charles E. Carroll <dixie24(a)valornet.com> wrote:
I must not have as much patience as I believe I had at one time. It just
seems like we all wasted a chunk of change for what looked like a good
project.
If none of the "matches" are sharing their Carroll family tree, it wont make
any difference how many tests are run.
I personally have too much Carroll research to do and not a lot of time left
to spend perfecting my knowledge of dna. I must confess I have a small
suspicion in the back of my mind about the validity of this program in
helping us understand the early Carroll families of Duplin / Sampson
Counties.
Charles E. Carroll
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Guess what I learned today.......
It's probably something that all of you already knew, but I'm
willing to show my stupidity just in case it might help someone
else.
I like to save the URLs of websites rather than having to type
them in each time. I store them in my FAVORITES and I also have
a page where I keep some, so I can just click on them. I had
been storing the URL for the Carroll DNA Project colored chart
rather than the preliminary page at http://www.carrollroots.com/
I was in a discussion with Marc Carroll one day about the
difference in what he was seeing and what I was seeing. That was
really puzzling to me, but it was not until today that I realized
what I think was making the difference...
Kevin is creating our chart as a .pdf file. That makes it
possible for us to see all of it and then be able to magnify the
part we want to see better - rather than some of the ways the
material is shown on other projects in frames, etc. I like this
way! When the .pdf file is created, it is saved and is finished!
I suppose that as long as I have that URL in my Favorites, I will
see that same chart. My bookmark seems to not update when Kevin
revises the chart. I had not realized that. I had tried using
"Refresh" to update what I was seeing, but that did not seem to
help.
>From now on I will only bookmark http://www.carrollroots.com/
and then click on "Carroll Family DNA Values."
Thank you, Kevin, for keeping up with our project and making it
so colorful so we can see which ones match. Please forgive me if
I have tried to get you to update a record when it was already
posted properly. I didn't realize that I could go to the website
and not see the newest chart - especially after I would have my
browser to Refresh my view.
So, remember to always go to http://www.carrollroots.com/ and NOT
to
http://www.carrollroots.com/carrollfamilydnavalues.pdf
Lura CARROLL Southard
Hi Kevin and others,
Charles E. Carroll is the newest of our Sampson County, NC
Carrolls to submit a DNA sample, so you can just look for orange
when you start to plot his haplotype. We have at least two
Charles Carrolls on this mail list now. I think you will be able
to distinguish between them in two ways. Charles has "ny" as
part of his email address, and he sometimes signs his name
"Charlie". I suggested the newest Charles use his middle initial
E. for our benefit, but you can also watch for "dixie" as part of
his email address. Glad to have both of them!
Like Charles E., I would like to ask each of you represented on
the chart to PLEASE email Kevin directly with some information
about your family. I understand the security situation, but if
we do not plot any living persons, I think we will be safe.
Talking about the empty blocks in the pedigree at the right end
of each profile.... If you look at my cousin's profile #32061 you
might think I have left out several generations. The truth of
the matter is that some of these folks had children late in life
and then lived a long time. My cousin, the donor, will be 102
years of age in February, so his name has not been posted yet.
His father, Gaston Abram Carroll, was born before the Civil War
in 1861.
These two men surely are an exception to the estimated length of
a generation. In some families there could have been six or more
generations during their two lifetimes. Kevin had to leave room
to put in more generations for families like those.
I will ask Kevin to post my cousin's name as soon as he is no
longer alive. Wish I have gotten some of those longevity genes,
but alas....
Lura
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Carroll" <kushtiqa(a)hotmail.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Carroll DNA project
| Charles,
|
| he names are segregated by 25 year periods which approximate a
generation.
| This is why there is a blank but this does not mean there is a
gap but only
| that there is more than a 25 year period between father and
son?? One is
| born between 1751 and 1775 and the son between 1801 and 1825?
With this in
| mind do you see any changes necessary? Do I have your
lineage?? Thanks.
|
| Kevin
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------------
| From: "Charles E. Carroll" <dixie24(a)valornet.com>
| Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 6:41 PM
| To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
| Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Carroll DNA project
|
| > Kevin,
| > Just noticed in my cousin's line there is an error in the
family tree. It
| > should be as follows:
| >
| > Stephen Frederick Carroll to James Caswell Carroll to Stephen
Carroll to
| > Joseph 1774.
| >
| > No blank between Stephen Carroll and Joseph. Joseph was his
father.
| > Charles C.
Kevin,
I see what you are doing now. I was trying to see how the names compared
with out paying any attention to the year gap.
I uploaded a gedcom file to the dna site. I'm not sure how all of this
works. I can send again if you don't have it.
Charles C
Kevin,
Just noticed in my cousin's line there is an error in the family tree. It
should be as follows:
Stephen Frederick Carroll to James Caswell Carroll to Stephen Carroll to
Joseph 1774.
No blank between Stephen Carroll and Joseph. Joseph was his father.
Charles C.
Thank you JIM... I guess considering this is new, we are all part of a LARGE research project to see exactly how DNA descends down generations. How could anyone be sure how this is going to pan out until we have enough participants and know their exact lineage. Being there will NOT be a common ancestor between our DNA and someone else for five generations or more, we may never have an exact match. (and the chances of having even a participant at five generations is almost zero) Having said all that, I am not sure what I can expect at BEST from our DNA test. Being disabled and having free time daily, I would be happy to help anyone do census look ups, etc or help with their Carroll genealogy. Especially any Carroll line in Tenn. I think by DUMB Luck is my only chance of finding my CLAN. I would love to see a Carroll genealogy database possibly on rootsweb in which we can all ADD our Carroll DATA. And Jointly own it.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts(a)verizon.net>
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 08:53:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Genetic Distance Question
I've been doing this for 7 years, and still have a hard time with "genetic
distance". Too many folks try to work this into an exact formula. It's not
that simple. In general you can be very sure when, out of 25 markers, two
results are an exact match, or only differ by one number. In a genealogical
timeframe of 300 or 400 years, we can expect one, or maybe two, markers to
change. It's a random event, and the change can occur between an ancestral
Patriarch and his son, or between the DNA donor and his father. In addition
to the exactness of 0, 1 or 2 changes, we often look at the circumstances.
For instance, after a lot of testing we've gotten 10-20 folks indentified in
one BARTLETT line, and can pretty well determine what the 25 markers would
have been for the patriarch - virtually all of the participants are within
0, 1 or 2 markers of that patriarch, but some of them have a change in one
direction and some in the other direction, so that we have a situation where
2 descendants of this line are actually 3 changes apart. But they are
within 2 of the "model" values. So sometimes it's not a hard and fast rule.
Hope this helps,
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carroll-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lura
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 3:06 PM
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Genetic Distance Question
Carroll,
FTDNA offers a good glossary of terms at
http://www.familytreedna.com/glossary.aspx
which defines "Genetic Distance." FTDNA also offers a lot of
good tutorials available at the opening screen.
At http://www.kerchner.com/dna-info.htm there are a lot of
helpful links to DNA information. The glossary shown on the
second line of that site has been quite helpful to me.
Lura
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carroll" <eccarroll(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Genetic Distance Question
|I thought it would be that simple to watch for matches but then
| I get confused over:
| 25 Marker - Genetic Distance - 2
| 37 Marker - Genetic Distance - 2
| 37 Marker - Genetic Distance - 4
| I understand the number of Markers but not the Genetic
Distance.
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts(a)verizon.net>
| To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
| Sent: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT)
| Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL DNA Lines from Westmoreland
Co, VA
|
| Lura;
|
| I think you're absolutely right!
| I teach Genealogy-DNA at the DC and Baltimore LDS FHCs and I
always start with the Executive Summary:
| If two men match, they have a common ancestor;
| If they don't match, they don't!
| Both are very powerful, highly accurate pieces of info for the
| genealogist.
|
| When we get both the VA and NC lines tested, it will easily
show whether to
| pursue this link.
|
| Jim
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
| -----Original Message-----
| From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
| [mailto:carroll-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lura
| Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:11 PM
| To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
| Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL DNA Lines from Westmoreland
Co, VA
|
| Jim Bartlett,
|
| I'm glad you mentioned this Demse James Carrell, b 1711, in VA.
| For a long time I tried to make a relationship between him and
my
| Dempsey Carrell in Duplin/Sampson County, NC who died around
| 1802. I have never found any connection, although I still have
| people telling me they are the same family.
|
| I think showing differences is one value of the DNA.
|
| Lura
|
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Jim Bartlett" <jim4bartletts(a)verizon.net>
| To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:42 PM
| Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL DNA Lines from Westmoreland Co,
VA
|
|
|| Hi - I'm new to this group, but have been the Admin for the
| BARTLETT-DNA Group since 2002.
||
|| My CARROLL descent is from Demse CARROLL b 1711 Westmoreland
| Co, VA d 1776 Loudoun Co, VA. He had 3 children who married
into
| my BARTLETT line:
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Frank;
I think you meant FamilyTreeDNA. They typically run a sale in the summer
for a month, and sometimes just before year end. However they have good
prices for anytime for this kind of testing plus all of the support they
provide to participants and the Project Admins. You really get very good
value out of their program.
Jim Bartlett
-----Original Message-----
From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carroll-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Emmy and Frank
Edwards
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 5:18 PM
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
Lura, you and the others might be aware of this but FamilyTreemaker has
discontinued the special price they had on the 37 marker combination test.
My wife called them yesterday. We got the impression that they had such a
backlog of orders that this was the reason they had discontinued it. Maybe
they will resume it after they catch up.
Frank Edwards
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lura" <luraj(a)triad.rr.com>
To: <CARROLL-DNA(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
> Carroll,
>
> All men in the Carroll Y-DNA Project will have the last name of
> Carroll UNLESS they have reason to believe that the surname they
> presently wear may not be the actual male lineage of their
> ancestral genes. In other words, they know, suspect, or "wonder
> if" there may have been somewhere in the past an adoption, a name
> change, or an illegitimate birth. There would be no advantage
> for a man to
> join the Carroll Project because his mother, grandmother,
> g-grandmother, etc. was a Carroll.
>
> Boys can't get Y-DNA from their mothers, but they do get mtDNA
> from their mothers. Boys can't pass mtDNA on to their children
> however. Girls get mtDNA from their mothers and pass it to their
> daughters and to their sons. With the special price that FTDNA
> had during the month of June for a combined study of Y-DNA and
> mtDNA, more mtDNA tests have been performed. In the future you
> will see more projects that include results of these mtDNA tests.
> I don't know just what name each chart will have that shows that
> information, because they will involve the maiden names of each
> female ancestor back through the maternal lineage. The name will
> change with each generation. More of these will be Geographical
> Projects rather than surname projects.
>
> I notice that there are a few mtDNA lines at the bottom of the
> Carroll DNA Project. Information from an mtDNA test can not fit
> the Y-DNA chart.
>
> Lura
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carroll" <eccarroll(a)embarqmail.com>
> To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
>
>
> | yes Laura that is correct, all the lines back were male Carroll
> and the earliest one we find married an Ellsworth. (so the story
> goes) Thanks for clearing up the female line, which is what I
> understood. So actually all DNA members in this group should
> have the last name CARROLL.
> |
> |
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: Lura <luraj(a)triad.rr.com>
> | To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
> | Sent: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
> | Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
> |
> | The donor of your DNA was a CARROLL.
> | His father was a Carroll.
> | His father was a Carroll.
> | And each generation backwards has the surname Carroll.
> | A female Ellsworth married your earliest Carroll.
> |
> | Is all that correct??
> |
> | Your question is whether you should join the Ellsworth DNA
> | Project.
> |
> | The test at FamilyTreeDNA that was done for the CARROLL Project
> | tests only material passed from father to son in the sperm.
> That
> | part of the genetic material never goes to a daughter. A
> female
> | has no Y-DNA, therefore no female with the Ellsworth surname
> | could have passed on any Y-DNA. It would not be practical for
> | you to enter the Ellsworth Y-DNA Project, unless you think that
> | the man carrying the Carroll name actually had a father whose
> | name was Ellsworth. That could have come about if there was an
> | adoption, name change or illegitimate birth.
> |
> | The way to check out the possibility of an illegitimate birth
> is
> | to watch the names that show up in the matches on your personal
> | page and the surnames that show up when you "Search for Genetic
> | Matches" at www.YSearch.org.
> |
> | Lura
> |
> | >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> | ----- Original Message -----
> | From: "Carroll" <eccarroll(a)embarqmail.com>
> | To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
> | Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
> | Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
> |
> |
> || My male line is CARROLL.
> || My mysterious eldest Male Carroll was suppose to marry an
> | Ellsworth
> || so should I join that group as well? Does it cost to join
> | groups?
> |
> |
> |
> |
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Carroll,
All men in the Carroll Y-DNA Project will have the last name of
Carroll UNLESS they have reason to believe that the surname they
presently wear may not be the actual male lineage of their
ancestral genes. In other words, they know, suspect, or "wonder
if" there may have been somewhere in the past an adoption, a name
change, or an illegitimate birth. There would be no advantage
for a man to
join the Carroll Project because his mother, grandmother,
g-grandmother, etc. was a Carroll.
Boys can't get Y-DNA from their mothers, but they do get mtDNA
from their mothers. Boys can't pass mtDNA on to their children
however. Girls get mtDNA from their mothers and pass it to their
daughters and to their sons. With the special price that FTDNA
had during the month of June for a combined study of Y-DNA and
mtDNA, more mtDNA tests have been performed. In the future you
will see more projects that include results of these mtDNA tests.
I don't know just what name each chart will have that shows that
information, because they will involve the maiden names of each
female ancestor back through the maternal lineage. The name will
change with each generation. More of these will be Geographical
Projects rather than surname projects.
I notice that there are a few mtDNA lines at the bottom of the
Carroll DNA Project. Information from an mtDNA test can not fit
the Y-DNA chart.
Lura
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carroll" <eccarroll(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
| yes Laura that is correct, all the lines back were male Carroll
and the earliest one we find married an Ellsworth. (so the story
goes) Thanks for clearing up the female line, which is what I
understood. So actually all DNA members in this group should
have the last name CARROLL.
|
|
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: Lura <luraj(a)triad.rr.com>
| To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
| Sent: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 23:48:26 -0400 (EDT)
| Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
|
| The donor of your DNA was a CARROLL.
| His father was a Carroll.
| His father was a Carroll.
| And each generation backwards has the surname Carroll.
| A female Ellsworth married your earliest Carroll.
|
| Is all that correct??
|
| Your question is whether you should join the Ellsworth DNA
| Project.
|
| The test at FamilyTreeDNA that was done for the CARROLL Project
| tests only material passed from father to son in the sperm.
That
| part of the genetic material never goes to a daughter. A
female
| has no Y-DNA, therefore no female with the Ellsworth surname
| could have passed on any Y-DNA. It would not be practical for
| you to enter the Ellsworth Y-DNA Project, unless you think that
| the man carrying the Carroll name actually had a father whose
| name was Ellsworth. That could have come about if there was an
| adoption, name change or illegitimate birth.
|
| The way to check out the possibility of an illegitimate birth
is
| to watch the names that show up in the matches on your personal
| page and the surnames that show up when you "Search for Genetic
| Matches" at www.YSearch.org.
|
| Lura
|
| >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Carroll" <eccarroll(a)embarqmail.com>
| To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
| Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
| Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
|
|
|| My male line is CARROLL.
|| My mysterious eldest Male Carroll was suppose to marry an
| Ellsworth
|| so should I join that group as well? Does it cost to join
| groups?
|
|
|
|
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I thought it would be that simple to watch for matches but then
I get confused over:
25 Marker - Genetic Distance - 2
37 Marker - Genetic Distance - 2
37 Marker - Genetic Distance - 4
I understand the number of Markers but not the Genetic Distance.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Bartlett <jim4bartletts(a)verizon.net>
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:04:37 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL DNA Lines from Westmoreland Co, VA
Lura;
I think you're absolutely right!
I teach Genealogy-DNA at the DC and Baltimore LDS FHCs and I always start
with the Executive Summary:
If two men match, they have a common ancestor;
If they don't match, they don't!
Both are very powerful, highly accurate pieces of info for the
genealogist.
When we get both the VA and NC lines tested, it will easily show whether to
pursue this link.
Jim
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From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carroll-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Lura
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:11 PM
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL DNA Lines from Westmoreland Co, VA
Jim Bartlett,
I'm glad you mentioned this Demse James Carrell, b 1711, in VA.
For a long time I tried to make a relationship between him and my
Dempsey Carrell in Duplin/Sampson County, NC who died around
1802. I have never found any connection, although I still have
people telling me they are the same family.
I think showing differences is one value of the DNA.
Lura
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bartlett" <jim4bartletts(a)verizon.net>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 6:42 PM
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] CARROLL DNA Lines from Westmoreland Co, VA
| Hi - I'm new to this group, but have been the Admin for the
BARTLETT-DNA Group since 2002.
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| My CARROLL descent is from Demse CARROLL b 1711 Westmoreland
Co, VA d 1776 Loudoun Co, VA. He had 3 children who married into
my BARTLETT line:
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There are 2 DNA tests:
Y-DNA tests the DNA from a man to his father, to his father's father, and
all the way back up the all-male line (it doesn't matter who they married),
and all will usually have the same SURNAME. Or looking at it the other way:
a CARROLL Patriarch passes his Y-DNA to his sons, who pass it to all of
their sons, etc down to the present time, when all the living CARROLL men
(who descend from that line) will all have the same Y-DNA.
mtDNA tests the DNA from a man or woman to the mother, to her mother's
mother, all the way back up the all-female line (it doesn't matter who they
married, except you have to keep track of all the SURNAMEs to trace the
genealogy). Or looking at it the other way: an ancestral CARROLL wife (the
Matriarch) passed her mtDNA to her children, but only the daughters can pass
the mtDNA on to their children, and only their daughters can pass it on, etc
down to the present time, when living sons and daughters of this all-female
line from the Matriarch will all have the same mtDNA.
It's always good to "draw the picture", so you can be sure you're talking
about an all-male line for Y-DNA (SURNAME) testing, or an all-female line
for mtDNA testing.
It doesn't cost anything to join groups, but it does cost to get the DNA
tests.
If you are a CARROLL male, you should definitely participate in the
CARROLL-DNA Project and learn the Y-DNA of your CARROLL line. You can then
see if your line ties into any of the other CARROLL lines. It will greatly
help your research efforts to know which line you tie into.
Jim
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From: carroll-dna-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
[mailto:carroll-dna-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carroll
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:02 PM
To: carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
My male line is CARROLL.
My mysterious eldest Male Carroll was suppose to marry an Ellsworth
so should I join that group as well? Does it cost to join groups?
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The donor of your DNA was a CARROLL.
His father was a Carroll.
His father was a Carroll.
And each generation backwards has the surname Carroll.
A female Ellsworth married your earliest Carroll.
Is all that correct??
Your question is whether you should join the Ellsworth DNA
Project.
The test at FamilyTreeDNA that was done for the CARROLL Project
tests only material passed from father to son in the sperm. That
part of the genetic material never goes to a daughter. A female
has no Y-DNA, therefore no female with the Ellsworth surname
could have passed on any Y-DNA. It would not be practical for
you to enter the Ellsworth Y-DNA Project, unless you think that
the man carrying the Carroll name actually had a father whose
name was Ellsworth. That could have come about if there was an
adoption, name change or illegitimate birth.
The way to check out the possibility of an illegitimate birth is
to watch the names that show up in the matches on your personal
page and the surnames that show up when you "Search for Genetic
Matches" at www.YSearch.org.
Lura
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Carroll" <eccarroll(a)embarqmail.com>
To: <carroll-dna(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 11:01 PM
Subject: [CARROLL-DNA] Question
| My male line is CARROLL.
| My mysterious eldest Male Carroll was suppose to marry an
Ellsworth
| so should I join that group as well? Does it cost to join
groups?
My male line is CARROLL.
My mysterious eldest Male Carroll was suppose to marry an Ellsworth
so should I join that group as well? Does it cost to join groups?