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I've seen this before but found it on the Fox list and took a look to see if it worked
in the late 1600's.
Martha didn't follow the formula but I guess that's to be expected knowing what we
know about her.
It looks like Thomas did follow it tho. 2nd son named after Mothers father and third son
named after father.
SO, I bet Thomas's fathers name was Richard Carrier or Morgan.
Also, i've seen the reuse of names of dead siblings in both my maternal & paternal
families well into
the mid/late 1800's.
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Just a quick note to remind all of you
(experienced and newbies) that
there is a definite naming pattern for families in the early years.
When you are having trouble making connections with your direct
ancestor, try looking for a sibling of the parent with that name. I did
and I now have the line back to about 1550.
Naming Order of Children
English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.
First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother)
Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother
Third daughter - named after the mother
Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister
First son - named after the father's father
Second son was named after the mother's father
Third son - named after the father
Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.
Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.
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Date: 10 Jan 2004 14:56:46 -0700
From: smokeyandjo(a)yahoo.com
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Subject: [FOX] obit for William D. Fox of Boulder City, Nevada
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Classification: Obituary
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Message Board Post:
The following obit is here with permission of the Challis Messenger, in Challis, Idaho.
William D. Fox
William D. Fox died of natural causes December 27, 2003 in Boulder City,
Nevada.
He was born in Challis, Idaho January 2, 1916, to Burton D. Fox and
Beatrice Bradbury Foley Fox. He passed away at his home in Boulder City,
Nevada on December 27, 2003.
He was a graduate of Challis High School in 1933 and a graduate of
Albertson's College of Idaho in 1956. Bill served as Custer County Assessor
from 1941 to the time of his enlistment in the Navy. A Navy veteran of WWII
he served from August 31, 1942 to October 26, 1945.
He is survived by Marjorie, his wife of 60 years and daughters, Joyce Welsh
of San Pedro, California; Susan Bicek of Boise; Patricia Fox of Spring Creek,
Nevada; and Kristin Fox of Air Oaks, California; three grandchildren, and his
sister Elsie Sharp Smith of Challis.
A celebration of his life will be held next summer at the Fox family cabin in
Obsidian.
Note: I am of no relation, but my sympathies go out to those of you who are.
This is here as a lasting memorial for Mr. Fox.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 20:46:11 -0800
From: Lois <ljfljf(a)psyber.com>
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Just a quick note to remind all of you (experienced and newbies) that
there is a definite naming pattern for families in the early years.
When you are having trouble making connections with your direct
ancestor, try looking for a sibling of the parent with that name. I did
and I now have the line back to about 1550.
Lois in Auburn, CA
Naming Order of Children
English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.
First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother)
Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother
Third daughter - named after the mother
Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister
First son - named after the father's father
Second son was named after the mother's father
Third son - named after the father
Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.
Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:09:30 -0500
From: mfox7 <mfox7(a)optonline.net>
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Great info Lois!
Does anybody on the list have the German naming pattern?
margaret
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From: Lois [mailto:ljfljf@psyber.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:46 PM
To: FOX-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [FOX] Naming Patterns
Just a quick note to remind all of you (experienced and newbies) that
there is a definite naming pattern for families in the early years.
When you are having trouble making connections with your direct
ancestor, try looking for a sibling of the parent with that name. I did
and I now have the line back to about 1550.
Lois in Auburn, CA
Naming Order of Children
English and Welsh, 1700 - 1879.
First daughter - named after the mother's mother (maternal grandmother)
Second daughter - named after the mother's father's mother
Third daughter - named after the mother
Fourth daughter - named after the mother's oldest sister
First son - named after the father's father
Second son was named after the mother's father
Third son - named after the father
Fourth son - named after the father's eldest brother.
Exceptions apply if there was a duplication of a given name. In that
case the practice was to skip to the next name on the list.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 21:46:58 -0800
From: "Cecil Jones" <skyking(a)digitalpath.net>
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Subject: [FOX] German Naming Patterns
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I just found this at rootsweb when the same question came to mind. It was in the POSEN-L
archives at rootsweb. I'm going to check it against what I have.
<<<In my German Lutheran family, the general naming pattern found in church
records of late 1700s through 1800s is that
first son was named after father's father
first daughter was named after mother
second son was named after father
other sons were named after uncles
other daughters named after aunts, grandmothers
aunts and uncles were usually godparents for the christenings.
Names of children that died in childhood were frequently "recycled" and used
again for later born siblings.
A person frequently went by their middle name, and sometimes siblings had the
same first names and were known by their different middle names.
There were sometimes deviations in the pattern, and the trend seemed to taper
off when the families immigrated to the North America.>>>>
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:21:49 -0800
From: "Cecil Jones" <skyking(a)digitalpath.net>
To: FOX-L(a)rootsweb.com
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It doesn't work for my Fuchs named 1857 on. Generation before was an only
son, with
at least 6 sisters, none named after a man. I know generation before and
name was carried on in 1850's but my German Catholics didn't follow the
pattern below.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cecil Jones" <skyking(a)digitalpath.net>
To: <FOX-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: [FOX] German Naming Patterns
I just found this at rootsweb when the same question came to mind. It was
in the
POSEN-L archives at rootsweb. I'm going to check it against what I
have.
<<<In my German Lutheran family, the general naming pattern found in
church
records of late 1700s through 1800s is that
first son was named after father's father
first daughter was named after mother
second son was named after father
other sons were named after uncles
other daughters named after aunts, grandmothers
aunts and uncles were usually godparents for the christenings.
Names of children that died in childhood were frequently "recycled" and
used
again for later born siblings.
A person frequently went by their middle name, and sometimes siblings had
the
same first names and were known by their different middle names.
There were sometimes deviations in the pattern, and the trend seemed to
taper
off when the families immigrated to the North
America.>>>>
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From: Lois <ljfljf(a)psyber.com>
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I think you;re missing the point I was trying to make. Try other
generations with the same name as your ancestor. You may turn up a
brother, uncle, father or grandfather (or for the females, a sister,
aunt, mother or grandmother) who carried the same name. I do not
guarantee this will work for every ancestor you are stuck on, but it is
certainly worth a try.
If you disagree, that is your choice; but, please do not send me private
emails complaining or finding fault. I am just offering a suggestion.
What you do with it is your choice.
Lois in Auburn, CA
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:20:00 -0800
From: "Cecil Jones" <skyking(a)digitalpath.net>
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I fully agree with common names being a strong clue. I am browsing the LDS
IGI using
that theory to find families that might be related in on particular German
town right now. My ancestors seem to honor their ancestors but don't seem to
follow any order after
1850. I'm not trying to correct anyone, just put my two cents in. Good
Hunting!
Cecil
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From: "Lois" <ljfljf(a)psyber.com>
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Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:31 PM
Subject: [FOX] Naming Patterns
I think you;re missing the point I was trying to make. Try other
generations with the same name as your ancestor. You may turn up a
brother, uncle, father or grandfather (or for the females, a sister,
aunt, mother or grandmother) who carried the same name. I do not
guarantee this will work for every ancestor you are stuck on, but it is
certainly worth a try.
If you disagree, that is your choice; but, please do not send me private
emails complaining or finding fault. I am just offering a suggestion.
What you do with it is your choice.
Lois in Auburn, CA
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 01:02:22 -0800
From: "Cecil Jones" <skyking(a)digitalpath.net>
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Subject: [FOX] Wuerttemburg Immigration List
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Does anyone have any idea how to get the actual files for people shown on the Wuerttemburg
Immigration List?
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